Lal Masjid siege — four years on

[B@KH]

He claimed that the Holy Prophet (P.B.U.H) had appeared in his dreams over 35 times and instructed him to fight the GoP and the PA.
Then he tried escaping in Burqa, "Mullah teri azmat koh salam*sarcasm*"

these are shameless people and make others fool. Instead of uniting people they are hate spreaders.

some one shold ask him did Holy Prophet (pbuh) told him to flee wearing a burqa???

this element will continue to survive till americans are in the region. once americans are gone this element will be defeated. Afterall there is someone who is supporting this element with weapons and money to hold against the GOP and PA.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

The day this operation became inevitable, the same day the govt lost the high ground----. The point of inevitability should never had been reached----it should have been taken out right from gitgo. The first time the hoodlums stood up to the cops---should have been the last one.

It was due to those idiot Ch Shujaat and co----no guts, no cojones---and then Musharraf himself kowtowing under pressure.

Sometimes I wonder at the quality of leadreship at the generals of pakistani army----do they have any vision----can they analyze a situation and match historical precendeces to a situation-----. Can they understand strategic maneuvering----can they think at the world class level----with the media----in front of the tv---jam the phone system---stop the interviews---take charge of the situation.

The lal masjid strike showed once again that the pak millitary was clueless what to do when-----.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I think our government made the right call.

No one should make mosque a fort

 

[Pioneerfirst]

It was the execution of it..
You dont go and blast away at these people.
It could have been a blockade, cut the water, power.. food off.
How long would they last..

On the grapevine.. it seems the shooting of the SSG commander triggred the endgame, with the troops becoming bloodthirsty.
And Musharraf had no option but to unleash his own commando kind...
after which it was no holds barred.

Me myself watch the whole situation closely and knew most of the reality because I had someone close to those so called GHAZIs

All the red mosque drama was to get power and become a power in settled areas as Taliban are in tribal region.
They had links with taliban and were assured of help in every case.They were given arms,financial assistance and were visited by some senior Taliban leaders.
Even today the Burqa man and his wife have not changed their views after being a cause of dozen lives.The wife of Burqa man colours the whole story as a secterian fight.

 

[Mujahid]

LAL MASJID Operation was a disaster and has resulted in disastrous consequences for Pakistan

karo to tab bhi disaster, na karo to tab bhi disaster !!

 

[B@KH]

karo to tab bhi disaster, na karo to tab bhi disaster !!

 

[T-Faz]

this is wrong. his both sons blamed the establishment for the killing of their father.

Who exactly from the establishment was responsible?

The two brothers blamed the establishment after no one was caught or prosecuted for his murder but it has been attributed to Shia militants.

Maulana Abdullah was staunchly against Shia's and was involved in attacks on them.

Maulana Abdullah was an establishment supported and created Mullah, I don't see why anyone from the establishment would kill him when his sons were propped up even further by it.

 

[ice_man]

look alot of gossip and rumours are alive everywhere one theory is that mushrraf had a deal with the ghazi brothers to orchestrate this drama to show the world that MUSHI is the key to peace in pakistan and removing him would make pakistan fall into extremism.....hence mushi and ghazis were a same team until matters just got out of hand for both........


however, whatever the real story behind the incident the fact of the matter is you don't kill ants with a hammer! they could have tear gased them or hosed them out to surrender but using SSG COMMANDOES and all out force is not the way!

 

[B@KH]

Who exactly from the establishment was responsible?

The two brothers blamed the establishment after no one was caught or prosecuted for his murder but it has been attributed to Shia militants.

Maulana Abdullah was staunchly against Shia's and was involved in attacks on them.

Maulana Abdullah was an establishment supported and created Mullah, I don't see why anyone from the establishment would kill him when his sons were propped up even further by it.

infact Abdullah, once the old friend of esablishment and an employee, lost support as he tried to built his own empire hence was removed. I do not think it is the job of shia militants. later his sons openly come up against the GOP and the PA and hence forcibly removed. so it is not a good idea to blame anyone without any proof while he allied himself to the talibanic elements.

his two sons did a joint press conference and blamed the agencies. also they balantly told in the press conference that agencies are pushing them to file fir against the ambassador of the neighbouring country but they will not bow to the pressure. infact they both revolted and were taught a lesson.

Maulana abdullah was agianst shias, but believe it or not, he always bow and touch the feet of one his shia friend and always said to him that his speeches against shiites are a different subject and he should not be concerned about it. Infact these were shias who helped him to stay in lal masjid when president ayub khan made an attempt to oust him and his both children are fully aware of it.

 

[B@KH]

look alot of gossip and rumours are alive everywhere one theory is that mushrraf had a deal with the ghazi brothers to orchestrate this drama to show the world that MUSHI is the key to peace in pakistan and removing him would make pakistan fall into extremism.....hence mushi and ghazis were a same team until matters just got out of hand for both........


however, whatever the real story behind the incident the fact of the matter is you don't kill ants with a hammer! they could have tear gased them or hosed them out to surrender but using SSG COMMANDOES and all out force is not the way!

it was just a matter of few hours while days were spent and whole nation was brought to standstill only for watching the episode!

 

[T-Faz]

infact Abdullah, once the old friend of esablishment and an employee, lost support as he tried to built his own empire hence was removed. I do not think it is the job of shia militants. later his sons openly come up against the GOP and the PA and hence forcibly removed. so it is not a good idea to blame anyone without any proof while he allied himself to the talibanic elements.

his two sons did a joint press conference and blamed the agencies. also they balantly told in the press conference that agencies are pushing them to file fir against the ambassador of the neighbouring country but they will not bow to the pressure. infact they both revolted and were taught a lesson.

Maulana abdullah was agianst shias, but believe it or not, he always bow and touch the feet of one his shia friend and always said to him that his speeches against shiites are a different subject and he should not be concerned about it. Infact these were shias who helped him to stay in lal masjid when president ayub khan made an attempt to oust him and his both children are fully aware of it.

As fate would have it, Maulana Abdullah met a violent end on 17 October 1998 when he was assassinated - shot dead as he crossed the courtyard of the Lal Masjid - by suspected Shia militants. As is the case for most tit for tat sectarian killings the culprits were never found.

The Glasshouse: Lal Masjid (contd.) Part II

Maulana Abdullah was gunned down outside Lal Masjid in 1998, by suspected rival Shia militants.

Lal Masjid: A name synonymous with radical Islam - Indian Express

The keyword is suspected and it could possibly be the work of the Establishment to further instigate sectarian violence. You know how these Bastards work, using their old tactics.

 

[B@KH]

The Glasshouse: Lal Masjid (contd.) Part II

Lal Masjid: A name synonymous with radical Islam - Indian Express

The keyword is suspected and it could possibly be the work of the Establishment to further instigate sectarian violence. You know how these Bastards work, using their old tactics.

well said! this is how they instigate secterian violence.

Maulana abdullah had lot of shia friends. when president Ayub wanted to remove him and issued the presidential decree for the appointment of Pir of Dewal Sharif to be imam at Lal Masjid. (President Ayub was very close to Pir of Dewal Sharif). Maulana Abdullah sought help from his shia friends who then suggested to Pir of Dewal Sharif not to get involve in the conflict and should not become a controversal figure and keep his position neutral as there was a problem between bralvis and deobandis over the mosque. Pir of dewal sharif realized his position and then avoided . Maulana Abdullah never had spoken against the shias until the zia regime started a campaign against the shias. i am sure he was deceived by the elements of zia regime.

 

[S.M.R]

look alot of gossip and rumours are alive everywhere one theory is that mushrraf had a deal with the ghazi brothers to orchestrate this drama to show the world that MUSHI is the key to peace in pakistan and removing him would make pakistan fall into extremism.....hence mushi and ghazis were a same team until matters just got out of hand for both........


however, whatever the real story behind the incident the fact of the matter is you don't kill ants with a hammer! they could have tear gased them or hosed them out to surrender but using SSG COMMANDOES and all out force is not the way!

Enough time was given to them for surrender. Tear gas?? I think you missed the masks those militants were wearing.

 

[Safriz]

I think our government made the right call.

No one should make mosque a fort

In the times of haq nawaaz jhangwi you should have seen mosques of Jhang..Heavily fortified...Bunkers with sand bags all around..Heaps o weapons in rooms...Armed men on watch all the time and those sporadic gun battles.....The mosque i visited had walls riddled with bullet holes,and it looked like a war zone....
But there was no foreign pressure on Pakistan or the Army..No grand operation was launched and it frizzled out on its own...

 

[Safriz]

Enough time was given to them for surrender. Tear gas?? I think you missed the masks those militants were wearing.

Thats thanks to the relatives..Many relatives of these youn students were very provocative and transported ammo and whatever they could to spark a full fledged armed conflict....Later the same relatives were heard saying "Unhoon nay hamaray bachoon kaa khayaal nahi kiyaa...hum bhii kisee kay bachoo kaa khayaa nahee karain gey"...and a cold blooded assassins creed was born.