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Lal Masjid brigade kidnaps 4 policemen(My friends are back)
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ISLAMABAD, May 20 (Online): Unknown persons have been known to have been distributing pamphlets informing the arrival of the banned militant outfit of Lashkar-e-Jahngvi in Islamabad.
The Pamphlet declares its eagerness of governmental assault on Lal Masjid, and vowed to attack the government forces, since according to their claim, it consists largely of Shiite Muslims.
The Pamphlet carries a phone number 0332-5389103, while the Jamia Hafsa spokesman Sheikh Aslam has denied any relation to the pamphlet.
http://www.thepakistaninewspaper.com/
The Pamphlet declares its eagerness of governmental assault on Lal Masjid, and vowed to attack the government forces, since according to their claim, it consists largely of Shiite Muslims.
The Pamphlet carries a phone number 0332-5389103, while the Jamia Hafsa spokesman Sheikh Aslam has denied any relation to the pamphlet.
http://www.thepakistaninewspaper.com/
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Is the government really serious about solving this issue? All the mass mobilization of police had no obvious outcome. The two brothers are indeed working at the behest of our establishment
Why should anyone be allowed illegal constructions anywhere in country. I think none on their demands should be met and the two psycho brothers should be dealt with sternly.
But poor students of the Lal masjid will lose lives in this Maulvi ISI joint venture.
Why should anyone be allowed illegal constructions anywhere in country. I think none on their demands should be met and the two psycho brothers should be dealt with sternly.
But poor students of the Lal masjid will lose lives in this Maulvi ISI joint venture.
First of all the name is Musharraf, our president. Pay some respect!
Oh please do tell us what makes him an non religious extremist.
Would you rather have a religious extremist mullah ruling the country?
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First of all the name is Musharraf, our president. Pay some respect!
Oh please do tell us what makes him an non religious extremist.
Would you rather have a religious extremist mullah ruling the country?
Respect is earned, Though I agree Musharraf is better than any front runners in Pakistan, i dont know about the second rung politicans.
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I suggest you be a bit more respectful, The person in question loves his country everymuch and he is from netherlands.
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With all due respects i say to you that very ignorant about the state pakistan would have been in unless it was for Mushraff. He atleast verbally opposes relegious extremism which is the most poisonous of all. Im sure definitly you dont wanto be living under a taleban kind of govt which doesnt even let you listen to your own shazad roy or altaf....Imagine a life without the colours.....
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Musharaff has been using the same excuse to get all relevant support. I find it hard to believe. Can such a large nation with so many educated people have not ONE MORE COMPETENT LEADER ?
I dont buy this excuse. Its just a ploy to keep Musharaff in power for as long as he manages to survive. Pakistan simply cannot have long term political stability AND a Army Chief ruling the country. Something or somebody has to be sacrificed.
What is Pakistan sacrificing now ?
One province has been given away to some wacko blokes. Somethings happening with the Judiciary. Two former Prime Ministers have been thrown out with dire threats....
I'm sure Pakistani's can manage to put together a bigger more accurate list of things that have been sacrificed in the name of Musharaff. When is this man going to be held accountable for anything ?
He's the right person on the right place Sam. We've flirted with democracy in the past and seen the country briought to verge of civil war and bankcruptcy under Bibi and Mian Ganjju.
If the alternative is anything like those disasterous 11 years of corrupt leadership, I'd rather stick another eight years with Musharraf.
If the alternative is anything like those disasterous 11 years of corrupt leadership, I'd rather stick another eight years with Musharraf.
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Hey you didnt lose much except perhaps loads of money during the regime of those two Prime Ministers. OTOH What have you lost in Musharraf's regime ?
Pakistan's sovereignty over a province. An independent judiciary. All scope for democracy destroyed....the damages are there for the world to see.
I'm not listing the many other compromises and damages that are mostly intangible. Example : How much better could it have been without Kargil happening for both the countries ? And I've forgotten America and the troubles it brought to the region.
Which would you rather lose? Money or the above?
The damage Musharraf has done to Pakistan's national crediblity alone is worth a trillion! With so many U-turns in his policies which important nation on earth is willing to trust Pakistan today?
Besides, is Musharraf not corrupt at all ? If corruption is the yardstick what do you plan to do with your army that steals so much of the nations resources albeit in a rather polished manner?
Pakistan's sovereignty over a province. An independent judiciary. All scope for democracy destroyed....the damages are there for the world to see.
I'm not listing the many other compromises and damages that are mostly intangible. Example : How much better could it have been without Kargil happening for both the countries ? And I've forgotten America and the troubles it brought to the region.
Which would you rather lose? Money or the above?
The damage Musharraf has done to Pakistan's national crediblity alone is worth a trillion! With so many U-turns in his policies which important nation on earth is willing to trust Pakistan today?
Besides, is Musharraf not corrupt at all ? If corruption is the yardstick what do you plan to do with your army that steals so much of the nations resources albeit in a rather polished manner?
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KARACHI - Saud Memon, one of the key suspects in the murder of US reporter Daniel Pearl, was buried last Friday amid unprecedented scenes in Karachi. Pearl's body was found in 2002 on a plot of land owned by Memon in this Pakistani port city.
When news broke of the death in hospital of Memon, who was in his early 40s, thousands of people descended on a radical mosque associated with the banned al-Rasheed Trust for funeral rites. According to the hospital, Memon died of tuberculosis andmeningitis.
Slogans seldom heard in Karachi were shouted, such as "Long live al-Qaeda," "The remedy for [President General Pervez] Musharraf is al-jihad," "The remedy for America is al-jihad." The mood of the crowd, which included several figures on the Ministry of Interior's wanted list, was one of anger.
Businessman Memon, too, figured high on Pakistan's most-wanted list in connection with the Pearl case and as a suspected al-Qaeda financier through such outfits as al-Rasheed Trust.
Memon, a cloth merchant, was never formally charged over the Pearl case. He is believed to have slipped out of the country after Pearl's murder and was then thought to have been seized in South Africa in March 2003 by the US Federal Bureau of Investigation. He was reportedly then held at the US detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, for more than two years before being handed over to Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence.
His family filed a case in the Pakistani Supreme Court against his "illegal detention", but intelligence agencies refused to acknowledge his detention. He was simply classified as "missing".
Recently, he was abandoned near his residence in extremely poor condition. According to his family, he had lost his memory and could not identify any of them, and he could not speak.
Memon's case highlights the plight of "missing" people in Pakistan, said to number in the hundreds.
Previously, missing persons who have been dropped off at their homes after lengthy absences were found to have been detained for long periods by the intelligence agencies without their cases ever being officially acknowledged.
As a result, Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry summoned the chiefs of the agencies into court to explain themselves. These included serving generals. Subsequently in March, Chaudhry was suspended by a "presidential reference" over accusations of abuse of power and later made "non-functionable". This sparked countrywide protests. The Pakistani media believe the issue of missing people and the summoning of the generals had upset the establishment.
But at a public rally, Musharraf dismissed claims that the saga of missing persons had anything to do with Chaudhry's suspension. He then said nobody was "missing" and no intelligence agencies detained anybody. Instead, the president said those who were claimed to be missing were terrorists who had gone to Afghanistan, where they killed themselves in suicide missions.
According to the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, the missing include jihadis and radical Islamists as well as a number of Baloch separatists. And, it said, there was little anyone could do, the courts were not helping and it was pointless for jihadis to communicate with the establishment. People were looking for a savior, and now they appear to have found one.
On the day that Memon died, Maulana Abdul Aziz of the Lal Masjid (Red Mosque), the flagbearer of the Islamic Center for the Defense of Human Rights and the first organization to champion the cause of missing persons, announced that if the government continued to detain people unlawfully, the mosque would do the same with security officials.
Brothers Aziz and Maulana Abdul Rasheed Ghazi head the influential Lal Masjid in Islamabad. They have strong pro-Taliban leanings and have frequently clashed with the government. Within hours of their warning, vigilantes from the Lal Masjid seized four policemen.
The Lal Masjid brigade
The brazen capture of the policemen was a direct challenge to the writ of the state right in the capital. The mosque rejected pleas for their release, instead coming up with a list of its own of detainees it wanted freed, which was presented to the local administration.
This was passed on to the leading intelligence agencies and a grand meeting was called at General Headquarters Rawalpindi, attended by all top security officials. They were directed to summon the provincial heads of their departments with summaries on the security situation.
Their reports suggested a serious wave of radicalization. The Tehrik-i-Nizam-i-Shariat-i-Mohammedi, which sent about 10,000 youths to Afghanistan in 2001 to confront the US invasion, has revived in North West Frontier Province (NWFP) and will begin an armed struggle for Islamization, as it did in the 1990s. Units of jihadist organizations have regrouped in Karachi and other parts of the country.
This is in addition to the restive situation in the tribal areas of North Waziristan and South Waziristan on the Afghan border and the districts in NWFP of Tank and Dera Ismail Khan where armed mobs are trying to take over control and enforce Islam.
And tellingly, the reports cited Lal Masjid as the "Mecca of Pakistani jihadis". Prayer leaders in the Waziristans have taken pledges from the faithful to combat coalition troops in Afghanistan, to strive for the Islamization of Pakistan and to rise to the defense of Lal Masjid.
The meeting in Rawalpindi did not formally come to any decisions, but on Sunday evening hundreds of policemen were deployed around the mosque. Paramilitary forces staged snap checks at all of Islamabad's exit and entry routes. Rumors of a grand operation spread like wildfire.
A defiant Aziz announced on megaphone the call for jihad, and students armed with sticks took up positions around the mosque as thousands of onlookers gathered. Aziz warned that if the government began an offensive, official installations across the country would be hit by suicide attackers. The provincial commanders at the meeting in Rawalpindi had pointed out that Aziz was capable of backing up his words with action.
The head of the national crisis-management cell of the Ministry of Interior, retired Brigadier Javed Cheema, appeared on television to rule out an operation, contradicting cabinet ministers and even his own minister, who had said earlier that something had to be done.
In the early hours of Monday, the troops were called off and Lal Masjid released two of the policemen after a few of the detainees on its list were freed. The other two policemen were still being held.
The "ping-pong" abductions continued when the Lal Masjid's associated seminary for boys, Jamia Faridia, abducted three policemen after two of its students had been detained. The detainees of both sides were later swapped.
Fire burns afresh
For many months after 2003 Pakistani security forces fought against militants in the Waziristans. With the aftershocks of that conflict still rippling throughout the country - despite a ceasefire agreement - it appears Pakistan could be in for another bloody season.
This conflict features a new cast of combatants in the Pakistani tribal areas consisting of breakaway and splinter groups of more established jihadist and other organizations with new organizational setups and ambiguous aims.
Once again Pakistan is at a crossroads: Should it retreat from the pro-American policies implemented in the name of the "war on terror" after September 11, 2001, or should it carry on, even though these policies have brought little but trouble for Musharraf's regime?
Syed Saleem Shahzad is Asia Times Online's Pakistan Bureau Chief. He can be reached at saleem_shahzad2002@yahoo.com
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/IE23Df01.html
When news broke of the death in hospital of Memon, who was in his early 40s, thousands of people descended on a radical mosque associated with the banned al-Rasheed Trust for funeral rites. According to the hospital, Memon died of tuberculosis andmeningitis.
Slogans seldom heard in Karachi were shouted, such as "Long live al-Qaeda," "The remedy for [President General Pervez] Musharraf is al-jihad," "The remedy for America is al-jihad." The mood of the crowd, which included several figures on the Ministry of Interior's wanted list, was one of anger.
Businessman Memon, too, figured high on Pakistan's most-wanted list in connection with the Pearl case and as a suspected al-Qaeda financier through such outfits as al-Rasheed Trust.
Memon, a cloth merchant, was never formally charged over the Pearl case. He is believed to have slipped out of the country after Pearl's murder and was then thought to have been seized in South Africa in March 2003 by the US Federal Bureau of Investigation. He was reportedly then held at the US detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, for more than two years before being handed over to Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence.
His family filed a case in the Pakistani Supreme Court against his "illegal detention", but intelligence agencies refused to acknowledge his detention. He was simply classified as "missing".
Recently, he was abandoned near his residence in extremely poor condition. According to his family, he had lost his memory and could not identify any of them, and he could not speak.
Memon's case highlights the plight of "missing" people in Pakistan, said to number in the hundreds.
Previously, missing persons who have been dropped off at their homes after lengthy absences were found to have been detained for long periods by the intelligence agencies without their cases ever being officially acknowledged.
As a result, Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry summoned the chiefs of the agencies into court to explain themselves. These included serving generals. Subsequently in March, Chaudhry was suspended by a "presidential reference" over accusations of abuse of power and later made "non-functionable". This sparked countrywide protests. The Pakistani media believe the issue of missing people and the summoning of the generals had upset the establishment.
But at a public rally, Musharraf dismissed claims that the saga of missing persons had anything to do with Chaudhry's suspension. He then said nobody was "missing" and no intelligence agencies detained anybody. Instead, the president said those who were claimed to be missing were terrorists who had gone to Afghanistan, where they killed themselves in suicide missions.
According to the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, the missing include jihadis and radical Islamists as well as a number of Baloch separatists. And, it said, there was little anyone could do, the courts were not helping and it was pointless for jihadis to communicate with the establishment. People were looking for a savior, and now they appear to have found one.
On the day that Memon died, Maulana Abdul Aziz of the Lal Masjid (Red Mosque), the flagbearer of the Islamic Center for the Defense of Human Rights and the first organization to champion the cause of missing persons, announced that if the government continued to detain people unlawfully, the mosque would do the same with security officials.
Brothers Aziz and Maulana Abdul Rasheed Ghazi head the influential Lal Masjid in Islamabad. They have strong pro-Taliban leanings and have frequently clashed with the government. Within hours of their warning, vigilantes from the Lal Masjid seized four policemen.
The Lal Masjid brigade
The brazen capture of the policemen was a direct challenge to the writ of the state right in the capital. The mosque rejected pleas for their release, instead coming up with a list of its own of detainees it wanted freed, which was presented to the local administration.
This was passed on to the leading intelligence agencies and a grand meeting was called at General Headquarters Rawalpindi, attended by all top security officials. They were directed to summon the provincial heads of their departments with summaries on the security situation.
Their reports suggested a serious wave of radicalization. The Tehrik-i-Nizam-i-Shariat-i-Mohammedi, which sent about 10,000 youths to Afghanistan in 2001 to confront the US invasion, has revived in North West Frontier Province (NWFP) and will begin an armed struggle for Islamization, as it did in the 1990s. Units of jihadist organizations have regrouped in Karachi and other parts of the country.
This is in addition to the restive situation in the tribal areas of North Waziristan and South Waziristan on the Afghan border and the districts in NWFP of Tank and Dera Ismail Khan where armed mobs are trying to take over control and enforce Islam.
And tellingly, the reports cited Lal Masjid as the "Mecca of Pakistani jihadis". Prayer leaders in the Waziristans have taken pledges from the faithful to combat coalition troops in Afghanistan, to strive for the Islamization of Pakistan and to rise to the defense of Lal Masjid.
The meeting in Rawalpindi did not formally come to any decisions, but on Sunday evening hundreds of policemen were deployed around the mosque. Paramilitary forces staged snap checks at all of Islamabad's exit and entry routes. Rumors of a grand operation spread like wildfire.
A defiant Aziz announced on megaphone the call for jihad, and students armed with sticks took up positions around the mosque as thousands of onlookers gathered. Aziz warned that if the government began an offensive, official installations across the country would be hit by suicide attackers. The provincial commanders at the meeting in Rawalpindi had pointed out that Aziz was capable of backing up his words with action.
The head of the national crisis-management cell of the Ministry of Interior, retired Brigadier Javed Cheema, appeared on television to rule out an operation, contradicting cabinet ministers and even his own minister, who had said earlier that something had to be done.
In the early hours of Monday, the troops were called off and Lal Masjid released two of the policemen after a few of the detainees on its list were freed. The other two policemen were still being held.
The "ping-pong" abductions continued when the Lal Masjid's associated seminary for boys, Jamia Faridia, abducted three policemen after two of its students had been detained. The detainees of both sides were later swapped.
Fire burns afresh
For many months after 2003 Pakistani security forces fought against militants in the Waziristans. With the aftershocks of that conflict still rippling throughout the country - despite a ceasefire agreement - it appears Pakistan could be in for another bloody season.
This conflict features a new cast of combatants in the Pakistani tribal areas consisting of breakaway and splinter groups of more established jihadist and other organizations with new organizational setups and ambiguous aims.
Once again Pakistan is at a crossroads: Should it retreat from the pro-American policies implemented in the name of the "war on terror" after September 11, 2001, or should it carry on, even though these policies have brought little but trouble for Musharraf's regime?
Syed Saleem Shahzad is Asia Times Online's Pakistan Bureau Chief. He can be reached at saleem_shahzad2002@yahoo.com
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/IE23Df01.html
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Most fundos in Pakistan were given a free hand during Nawaz ganjas times.Musharaf inherited most of this mess from Nawaz.simplest question to ask one why was the saudies so intrested in(Nawaz) him that they gave him all he needed to stay in Arabia.
And negotiate his way out of country with musharaf.
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President Musharraf made his remarks in an exclusive interview with the BBC's Urdu service.
Asked what the government planned to do about the mosque, he said: "How can we take any action? They have weapons and are also prepared to carry out suicide attacks."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6681261.stm
Asked what the government planned to do about the mosque, he said: "How can we take any action? They have weapons and are also prepared to carry out suicide attacks."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6681261.stm
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