"Ladakh": A Disputed region between India, Pakistan & China | 47% Muslim, 39% Budhist, 12% Hindus

[HAIDER]

Chinese movement in the region ..

https://twitter.com/x/status/1270033743554777088

 

[HAIDER]

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[fisher1]

I lived in xinjiang for 3 years and china 7 years what you are saying is a lie and false.

Okay let's prove it.

When did you live there? You being a Muslim must have gone to mosques and taken photos.

The crackdown increased and mosques abandoned after 2017. Surely to call everyone a liar, you must have gone to Urumqi and attended mosques recently.

Or you would be a liar as it would be same as an Indian saying everyone is lying about Kashmir lockdown while referencing Kashmir before 2019.

I can say with 100% certainty you're a liar and are talking about a long gone era of Xinjiang before 2017. Not the first time i have seen liars like you with your statements.

First you need to liberate kids of Pakistani streets from sexual predator, give women their due rights who are treated worst then animals, clean the mess from street (in islam cleanness is 50% of our religion and Pakistan is among the most polluted nation on this planet). We as a society have failed! Its not government's job to change people because only they can change themselves but 1diots like you want to turn blind eye and want do a bhund panga with your masters who btw is a life line for this nation.
And what have you done be it spreading awareness through social media or what not to tackle these issues which are the worst a muslim could do to another muslim.
Muslims are NUMBER ONE enemy of muslims. Change my mind.
thank u

Only someone low IQ would equate crimes in a country with a state initiated Nazi style holocaust on Muslims.

But not surprisingly this is the same strategy used by Hindus whenever Kashmir is brought up when they bring up Pakistan treatment of Qadyanis and gay pedophilia etc.

Seems like oppression supporters use the same strategy whether it's a Hindu or a Muslim.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Only someone low IQ would equate crimes in a country with a state initiated Nazi style holocaust on Muslims.

Not only are you delusional but also a pathological liar like your hindu natural allies.
Nazi killed over 6 million jews in span of couple of years. Do you have any sources that suggests even 6,000 muslims have been killed in China in last couple of years? If no then how can you compare Nazi holocaust with Chinese? Or can any holocaust be associated with Nazi even if its only in 100s figure?
Btw communism is against every religion be it Christianity Islam or Buddhist. Even during Soviet's era millions of Christians were persecuted for being Christians and many many churches were closed. Both Islam and Christianity survived during Stalin's brutal regime.
Are Muslims being persecuted in China? YES but not to the point where Pakistan without knowing their awkat start pointing fingers at their master which is the only hope that can save Pakistan and they have many times.

Also even in western world a muslim has to abide by the law. Such as they are not allowed to build mosque without permission and if they do it will get bulldozed, they are not allowed to give adan on loud speakers and if they do they will get fines, they are not allowed to halal their animal for religious sacrifice and if they do they will get arrested for animal cruelty, and how can i forget to mention that if you even just discuss jihad you can bet your @ss that you will land in jail.
Does western society give more rights its muslim citizens, residents then China? Of course yes but dont forget at the same time they have spread 100x more destruction and Fasad in muslim world.
Foreign policy is not made with your emotions but with your self interest other wise if you want to be this holy warrior then get on a horse and march and trust me you wont get further then your house street.

But not surprisingly this is the same strategy used by Hindus whenever Kashmir is brought up when they bring up Pakistan treatment of Qadyanis and gay pedophilia etc.

So are you just going to turn a blind eye towards atrocities committed by your people on your own people?

I bet you cant even give me more then 3 good examples of your culture but I can give you many examples of how cruel your culture has become which desperately needs a make over.

1) Homeless kids as young as 8 years sexually abused and those who commit this sin walk around as if its no business. Society does not bother speaking up against it because the matter has gone out of control and even law cant do anything against them because it has become integral part of the society.
And not to forget brothels where bacha bazi takes place in almost every other corner, and madrasa students being sexually abused by mullas. In most cases kids keep it to themselves because they are too embarrassed and those who do tell their parents also keep quite so only a small fraction of complaints are registered out of which only few actually get registered because the crime can not be proven.
2) Women specially wife are treated like slaves who are deprived of their basic rights (note: locking them up in cage like condition and using them for just sex and food is not considered basic rights even in Islamic laws) and only small tiny percentage make it through higher education because society does not permit their women to get education.
3) The society has also become intolerant backward mentality where killing someone in name of Islam is considered a holy achievement.

The reason why all this happen is because the society has corrupted and by them staying silent while knowing all this happens means they are equally to be blamed (Check what Islam says about staying quite when you know illicit act has taken place). And also it is not government's job to spoon feed society on how to act better. Their are many examples even in Islam that shows a backward mentality society changed for good cause. Before you worry about your muslim brothers and sisters on the other part of the world first fix your own house.
Learn to accept your faults and learn from it and improve yourself (not you since you have a better standard of living compared to average person).
Now you give me "examples" of achievements of your society that has contributed to the nation. (not achievement of individuals which only benefits them)

Seems like oppression supporters use the same strategy whether it's a Hindu or a Muslim.

No i dont support oppression. I would rather worry for 220 million people and it is not "all is well for them" but "all is screwed" and then worry about 50-60 million next door when all problems are fixed.

PS: btw before you accuse me of being punjabi or sindhi, i honestly dont give a fk because to me all of this is nonsense bullsh1t that was introduced by British masters who really fked this nation upside down with this segregation before leaving.
And not all tribes are meant to stay forever, as history suggest even the most pious and righteous tribes faded away with time so I dont see why useless tribes cannot be changed for good purpose.

 

[fisher1]

Not only are you delusional but also a pathological liar like your hindu natural allies.

Yeah right, i am the delusional one. When did Hindu become national allies of Pakistan?

Nazi killed over 6 million jews in span of couple of years. Do you have any sources that suggests even 6,000 muslims have been killed in China in last couple of years? If no then how can you compare Nazi holocaust with Chinese? Or can any holocaust be associated with Nazi even if its only in 100s figure?

Nazism is an ideology. Hitler believed in eugenics, Han Chinese believe in eugenics which is why they have purged or to the point of extinction dominated other races in China and China is big yet only one race dominates?

Nazis put Jews in concentration camps. Chinese put Muslims in concentration camps.

There was a video showing Nazi propaganda videos, it was exactly similar to CCP propaganda videos.

Nazis tortured and murdered and experimented and raped Jews in concentration camps. Chinese torture and murder and rape and harvest organs and do all kinds of things Nazis did or even worse.

People like you exist to this day who deny the holocaust. And there must have been people who denied it at Hitler time.

Are Muslims being persecuted in China? YES but not to the point where Pakistan without knowing their awkat start pointing fingers at their master which is the only hope that can save Pakistan and they have many times.

This is what these enemies of Islam believe as well but reality is different. A Muslim believes in Allah while a Kafir believes in shiny worldly things.

Also even in western world a muslim has to abide by the law. Such as they are not allowed to build mosque without permission and if they do it will get bulldozed, they are not allowed to give adan on loud speakers and if they do they will get fines, they are not allowed to halal their animal for religious sacrifice and if they do they will get arrested for animal cruelty, and how can i forget to mention that if you even just discuss jihad you can bet your @ss that you will land in jail.
Does western society give more rights its muslim citizens, residents then China? Of course yes but dont forget at the same time they have spread 100x more destruction and Fasad in muslim world.
Foreign policy is not made with your emotions but with your self interest other wise if you want to be this holy warrior then get on a horse and march and trust me you wont get further then your house street.

Umar ibn al-Khattaab (radee Allaahu ‘anhu) sent an army under Sa’d bin Abi Waqqas (radee Allaahu ‘anhu) for the conquest of Persia.

‘Umar (radee Allaahu ‘anhu) wrote him a convention as follows:

“I command you and your army to fear Allaah at all times because piety is the best weapon against the enemy and the best strategy in the battle.

And I command you and your soldiers to fear disobedience to Allaah more than you fear the enemy. If an army fears sins more than the enemy, Allaah brings them victory. Muslim victory is the outcome of the disbelievers’ disobedience of Allaah. There is no power except with Allaah for they always outnumber us and have better weapons and tools. If we become equal in disobedience, they will conquer us due to more power; and unless we defeat them by righteousness, we cannot defeat them by power."

This is the belief of our salaf(RA) and Muslims in history who built gigantic Islamic empires and were always outnumbered by enemies of Islam.

But if the policy makers think they know better than our salaf(RA) and Prophet Muhammad (saww) then i will say this

To them their religion, to us the religion of Islam.

Learn to accept your faults and learn from it and improve yourself (not you since you have a better standard of living compared to average person).

You don't know my standard of living.

No i dont support oppression. I would rather worry for 220 million people and it is not "all is well for them" but "all is screwed" and then worry about 50-60 million next door when all problems are fixed.

Nice try at derailing the discussion from holocaust on Muslims but like i said someone low IQ would bring up married women forced to prepare food for their husband to a serious discussion on a holocaust of Muslims. Maybe in your world, a woman preparing food for her husband is the same as a country putting millions into concentration camps, raping, torturing, organ harvesting, slavery and forcing them to turn atheists. In the world we live in, petty issues like crime in a country can not be equated to systemic purging of millions of ethnic people and religion by a country.

Come to me when those 220 million people are in concentration camps suffering the same fate as Uighurs.

PS: btw before you accuse me of being punjabi or sindhi, i honestly dont give a fk because to me all of this is nonsense bullsh1t that was introduced by British masters who really fked this nation upside down with this segregation before leaving.
And not all tribes are meant to stay forever, as history suggest even the most pious and righteous tribes faded away with time so I dont see why useless tribes cannot be changed for good purpose.

Which tribe is useless and which tribe should be changed?

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Belongs to China

Pakistan has acted as the mediator and the issue is now resolved

 

[serenity]

No Galwan for naughty Jai Hindus!

 

[GDP Adil Khan Niazi]

Pakistan has no dispute with china. Our border is well defined in history since 1963 we both are in agreement.

It is only india which has a problem with both china and pakistan.

We two nations have formed alliance back in 1960s we have no claim on chinese land and our borders are well documented and agreed upon by both parties.

How can you say Pakistan has no dispute with China?
China has said this on many occasions that Kashmir is a trilateral dispute between China-India-Pakistan now that China is holding its grounds in Laddakh at Finger 4 (The previous holding was Finger 8) how can we happily accept that? Just because they have bashed the Indian army out of their forcefully acquired territory doesn't mean we should be happy! The reason being I'm saying this is if you can see the map below it is clearly seen that Laddakh is located in Jammu & Kashmir which means now we have to raise our concerns and voice against both countries no? As we all know Kashmir is an integral part of Pakistan so if we kept raising our voice against India, now that China is also there we should raise our voice against them too. If not raising voice against them at least our PM or FM spokesperson should have released an official statement in which Pakistan's perspective should've conveyed because it's a trilateral issue.

Secondly in my whole life till now I've never heard anyone raising voice or putting up their perspective for Aksai Chin, as per our Map which is being taught to every second child in Pakistan this whole area belongs to Pakistan but we never said a word for Aksai Chin.


As far as Shaksgam Valley is considered I've came to know that Pakistan has ceded this part of the territory to China as a gift, why so? I don't really find an answer yet because some senior from PDF told me about this Valley

If any of you'll say that this is not (Aksai Chin, Shkasgam Valley, Laddakh) the part of Pakistan then I think it's high time our educational system should put up a new map? or Pakistan should accept a new map in which all these areas are not part of our territory?

Official map of Pakistan as for now:

The second map shows Aksai Chin as part of Pakistan too, don't know if it's official or not but in our textbooks we are teaching our children a different map and we are not claiming that part officially now!

For me, this is Pakistan's territory and we have to raise our voice or put up our opinions in front of everyone either our enemy or our friend. We should claim our parts just like Nepal is claiming now? a small country which was not even considered as someone who will one day stand in front of India but today "Nepal's parliament passes the New Map bill unanimously. The New Map is part of Nepal's law." Yesterday "1 dead 4 injured near India Nepal border after Nepali police opened fire on illegal border entry from the Indian side. The incident happened at around 8:30 am to 8:45 am. There are also unconfirmed reports of the Nepali Army targeting Indian border post." This is how one can claim its territory!

What we do is just talks "Hum bahadur shah zafar nahi tipu sultan ban jaengay, hum aisay kar lengay hum wese kar lengay, kab karengay?"

Pakistanis/Chinese should raise the international dispute to the UN and in the international court of justice and get our Muslim Shia region free from Indian illegal Occupation, which is since 1947 a disputed territory.

What then? asking/requesting China to go back from Laddakh and give the J&K disputed territory to us?

Till now which issue is being resolved by the UN significantly on the basis of dialogue? That was one of the funniest things I've read here, going to UN for dispute lol!

UN is basically backed by/influenced by the superpower country and its alliance so no matter what the disputes like Palestine, Yemen, Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Kashmir will remain either the way they are or if somebody could fight a war and win it as a reward.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

How can you say Pakistan has no dispute with China?
China has said this on many occasions that Kashmir is a trilateral dispute between China-India-Pakistan now that China is holding its grounds in Laddakh at Finger 4 (The previous holding was Finger 8) how can we happily accept that? Just because they have bashed the Indian army out of their forcefully acquired territory doesn't mean we should be happy! The reason being I'm saying this is if you can see the map below it is clearly seen that Laddakh is located in Jammu & Kashmir which means now we have to raise our concerns and voice against both countries no? As we all know Kashmir is an integral part of Pakistan so if we kept raising our voice against India, now that China is also there we should raise our voice against them too. If not raising voice against them at least our PM or FM spokesperson should have released an official statement in which Pakistan's perspective should've conveyed because it's a trilateral issue.

Secondly in my whole life till now I've never heard anyone raising voice or putting up their perspective for Aksai Chin, as per our Map which is being taught to every second child in Pakistan this whole area belongs to Pakistan but we never said a word for Aksai Chin.


As far as Shaksgam Valley is considered I've came to know that Pakistan has ceded this part of the territory to China as a gift, why so? I don't really find an answer yet because some senior from PDF told me about this Valley

If any of you'll say that this is not (Aksai Chin, Shkasgam Valley, Laddakh) the part of Pakistan then I think it's high time our educational system should put up a new map? or Pakistan should accept a new map in which all these areas are not part of our territory?

Official map of Pakistan as for now:

The second map shows Aksai Chin as part of Pakistan too, don't know if it's official or not but in our textbooks we are teaching our children a different map and we are not claiming that part officially now!

For me, this is Pakistan's territory and we have to raise our voice or put up our opinions in front of everyone either our enemy or our friend. We should claim our parts just like Nepal is claiming now? a small country which was not even considered as someone who will one day stand in front of India but today "Nepal's parliament passes the New Map bill unanimously. The New Map is part of Nepal's law." Yesterday "1 dead 4 injured near India Nepal border after Nepali police opened fire on illegal border entry from the Indian side. The incident happened at around 8:30 am to 8:45 am. There are also unconfirmed reports of the Nepali Army targeting Indian border post." This is how one can claim its territory!

What we do is just talks "Hum bahadur shah zafar nahi tipu sultan ban jaengay, hum aisay kar lengay hum wese kar lengay, kab karengay?"



What then? asking/requesting China to go back from Laddakh and give the J&K disputed territory to us?

Till now which issue is being resolved by the UN significantly on the basis of dialogue? That was one of the funniest things I've read here, going to UN for dispute lol!

UN is basically backed by/influenced by the superpower country and its alliance so no matter what the disputes like Palestine, Yemen, Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Kashmir will remain either the way they are or if somebody could fight a war and win it as a reward.

I can say this because i saw 1963 agreed upon border photos. There is no dispute and perfect understanding.

 

[GDP Adil Khan Niazi]

I can say this because i saw 1963 agreed upon border photos. There is no dispute and perfect understanding.

So do you accept that the map which is shown to our generation or the generation which is in school is not the actual map of Pakistan? Should Pakistan publish their new official map like Nepal?

What happened in 1963 as per you? As of my info, Pakistan ceded Shaksgam Valley and there were talks/agreements on proper boundaries etc

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Yeah right, i am the delusional one. When did Hindu become national allies of Pakistan?

PTM? India only showed them a bone and they all go running after their master.

Nazism is an ideology. Hitler believed in eugenics, Han Chinese believe in eugenics which is why they have purged or to the point of extinction dominated other races in China and China is big yet only one race dominates?

You mean the same Han who have helped Pakistan more then they have received in return? Do you have any example of Nazi helping someone of their inferior race? You are so stupid to even compare China with Nazi.

Nazis put Jews in concentration camps. Chinese put Muslims in concentration camps.

Those camps are educational camps that every pakistani needs to attend so they can be bit more productive and maybe they might become useful. But you would rather chose to go to bacha bazi academy then be educated.

There was a video showing Nazi propaganda videos, it was exactly similar to CCP propaganda videos.

In that video did you see CCP talking about destroying and killing millions of Muslims world wide? In that video did you see them making plans to invade and murder millions of Pakistanis? Because what I see is them helping Muslim countries around the world building schools, dams, industries, road/railway network, science and technology, IT, ports, and the list goes on and on. Because the video I saw of Nazi not only did they talk about destruction but they in fact also caused 85 million death.

Nazis tortured and murdered and experimented and raped Jews in concentration camps. Chinese torture and murder and rape and harvest organs and do all kinds of things Nazis did or even worse.

Fact check: organ harvesting, rape, murder, torture, are done A LOT more in Pakistan by Pakistanis on Pakistanis then it is done on Chinese Muslims by Han race.

People like you exist to this day who deny the holocaust. And there must have been people who denied it at Hitler time.

kiya kahon mai tujha ab.

This is what these enemies of Islam believe as well but reality is different. A Muslim believes in Allah while a Kafir believes in shiny worldly things.

So are you suggesting a good muslim and a society is one which lives in dark?
Are Muslims in Indonesia, and Malaysia living a kuffar worldly life while cave monkeys with ak-47 are living a true islamic life?

Umar ibn al-Khattaab (radee Allaahu ‘anhu) sent an army under Sa’d bin Abi Waqqas (radee Allaahu ‘anhu) for the conquest of Persia.

‘Umar (radee Allaahu ‘anhu) wrote him a convention as follows:

“I command you and your army to fear Allaah at all times because piety is the best weapon against the enemy and the best strategy in the battle.

And I command you and your soldiers to fear disobedience to Allaah more than you fear the enemy. If an army fears sins more than the enemy, Allaah brings them victory. Muslim victory is the outcome of the disbelievers’ disobedience of Allaah. There is no power except with Allaah for they always outnumber us and have better weapons and tools. If we become equal in disobedience, they will conquer us due to more power; and unless we defeat them by righteousness, we cannot defeat them by power."

This is the belief of our salaf(RA) and Muslims in history who built gigantic Islamic empires and were always outnumbered by enemies of Islam.

But if the policy makers think they know better than our salaf(RA) and Prophet Muhammad (saww) then i will say this

Just how exactly is this relevant to the discussion?

You don't know my standard of living.

Neither do i care.

Nice try at derailing the discussion from holocaust on Muslims but like i said someone low IQ

Low IQ? look who is talking. just look around you for a second first and then talk please.

would bring up married women forced to prepare food for their husband to a serious discussion on a holocaust of Muslims. Maybe in your world, a woman preparing food for her husband is the same as a country putting millions into concentration camps, raping, torturing, organ harvesting, slavery and forcing them to turn atheists. In the world we live in, petty issues like crime in a country can not be equated to systemic purging of millions of ethnic people and religion by a country.

Their is a difference between a wife preparing food for her husband with love and a compassionate relationship then a abusive relationship where husband uses his wife for sex, food, and beating. Do you think that women in your part of the world live a happy life where she enjoys a compassionate relationship? Just because they keep quite of all the domestic issue does not mean they live a happy life. Do you not think that this is not among many of the issues in your society that should be fixed for women? And no, i am not suggesting western lifestyle but a normal lifestyle that Islam suggest. You guys fallow a barbaric lifestyle while hijacking Islam.
I have never came across such a delusional person who lives in "all is well" world and ignoring all the ills of the society.

Again, give me 3 good examples of your society that is not related to religion.

Come to me when those 220 million people are in concentration camps suffering the same fate as Uighurs.

Trust me, If i was the leader of Pakistan the first thing i would do is toss every 220 million awan in forced education camps and grow some sense out of them.

Which tribe is useless and which tribe should be changed?

The tribe that causes destruction in their own society.
Infact what ever i have said applies to pretty much Pakistan as a society that should be fixed.
leaders dont build nations but people do and allah helps those who help themselves.

 

[KhanBaba2]

Ladakah is a prime example of over 500 years of Shia Muslims and Buddhists. Infact Taxila, home of Buddha is in Pakistan, and so many other places where peace and harmony is in place.

I have never heard of Taxila being the home of Bhuddha. Can you give me some links.

 

[Jackdaws]

Pakistan has no dispute with china. Our border is well defined in history since 1963 we both are in agreement.

It is only india which has a problem with both china and pakistan.

We two nations have formed alliance back in 1960s we have no claim on chinese land and our borders are well documented and agreed upon by both parties.

Me personally as a kashmiri have no problem if all buddist regions go to tibet (xizang) and all muslim regions to Pakistan and all hindu majority regions to hindu-istan.

However its not up to me its up to strategic institutions of pakistan which already have agreed in 1960s upon well defined border with china.

India is occuping chinese land in the north east of kashmir and india is occupying Pakistani land in the middile and south of Kashmir.

Do you even know where Tibet is?

Yes India and China are having issues on Ladkah. But about half of this region belongs to Pakistan. China and Pakistan need to jointly expel the diseased indians from this area and Kashmir first, and then divide Ladkah 50/50.

Lol. You aren't getting anything.

I have never heard of Taxila being the home of Bhuddha. Can you give me some links.

It wasn't. Ashoka established a University there - Takshashila

 

[Thamizh Puli]

Interestingly found out Ladakh people though look somewhat Chinese, but all of them look like Gilgit Baltisani, as both are Muslims. Ladakh is a Muslim majority area with second highest population of Buddhist.

What British use to do was where ever British influence spread, Britain would make new maps and then under Survey of India, create it and disperse it as part of India. Since 200 years, Ladakh region is part of the disputed Jammu and Kashmir region and an internationalized disputed territory since 1947 after Pakistan and India's creation.

a huge proportion of Pakistanis look like Indians, so what's next? merge Pakistan with India? nice try but no way

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

Do you even know where Tibet is?


Lol. You aren't getting anything.


It wasn't. Ashoka established a University there - Takshashila

Yep been there once. It's called xizang. Ladakh is part of it

So do you accept that the map which is shown to our generation or the generation which is in school is not the actual map of Pakistan? Should Pakistan publish their new official map like Nepal?

What happened in 1963 as per you? As of my info, Pakistan ceded Shaksgam Valley and there were talks/agreements on proper boundaries etc

I accept the map of pakistan agreed upon by pakistan and china in 1963