Koral land-based EW system vs S-400

[NKVD]

Only Passive Radars are capable of detecting beyond Horizon, and passive radars require transmission sources usually high clutter Civilian CellPhone, Radio or TV transmission. There's also ability to rain down radio signals from satellites to blanket whole areas.

Turkey is developing over the horizon passive radars.

Russians & Chinese Both Developed OTH Radar

Russian are Operating OTH Radar Since Cold War ERA Duga radar
(OTH) radar system used as part of the Soviet ABM early-warning network. The system operated from July 1976 to December 1989. Two operational Duga radars were deployed, one near Chernobyl and Chernihiv in what was then called the Ukrainian SSR (present-day Ukraine), the other in eastern Siberia.

Panorama receive antennas of radar "Duga" in Chernobyl 2

New 29B6 Container Radar

The Container radar [Konteyner RLS] is an over-the-horizon unit built to detect all types of aerodynamic targets. The over-the-horizon station will be monitoring the airspace and detection of all types of aerodynamic targets, including planes, helicopters, drones and cruise missiles. The Container antenna field is a huge blanket of 144 masts as high as a 10-story building. This new radar station of the Russian Aerospace Defense Forces is capable of detecting air targets at a distance of 3000 km and is one of the means of intelligence and warning of air-space attack by the enemy. The signal bounces off the ionosphere like from a mirror, to see everything that is going on beyond the horizon.

In the future, one such radar ZGO will "see" all aerodynamic targets, including small-size aircraft at a distance of up to 3,000 km, with an azimuth of 240 degrees. The radar apparently uses new mathematical models that allow to determine the type of target in real time, without needing to calculate the entire flight trajectory. The deployed Container radar radio-technical unit includes a command post, a transmission and reception antenna and a communications and data-management unit. Russia is planning to deploy a network of Container-type radars to provide early detection of airborne threats over its entire territory and beyond its borders. Specific dates, the number of radar stations, their location and other details have not been disclosed.

Sergei Saprykin is the general designer of the NPK NIIDAR long-range radio communications research and production center, which is part of the RTI high-technology industrial concern.

vladimir Putin held a meeting June 19, 2013 on implementing the 2011–2020 state arms procurement program, focusing on development of the technology base for air and space defence. Putin said "By 2015, our air and space defence troops’ arms must be no less than 50% modernised, and no less than 70% modern by 2020. These plans are being gradually implemented: the potential of the air and space defence forces has been bolstered by the brand new Voronezh-M and Voronezh-DM radar stations; the Pantsir-S anti-aircraft missile system has been adopted for use; S-400 systems are already being serially produced and delivered to troops; tests are underway on the Vityaz aerial defence anti-aircraft missile system, as well as the Konteyner and Nebo-M radar stations; the advanced S-500 system, which is capable of resolving problems even in near space, is under development."

 

[Oublious]

Maybe Not Ground Based Radar But JSTAR or AWACS with C4ISTAR Network Envorment Can and Russians Have That in Place
Fighter Cannot Fly its Full Flight Envelope in "Terrain Masking" Its is Limited.Its will Detected In Initial stage or Later And intercepted
Everything has trade-offs and this is no exception. The downsides are flying literally into the ground-it's happened, and being low you are now in the heart of the MANPADS and AAA envelopes.or QR SAMs Dedicated For these Roles

A number of radar systems have been developed that allow detection of targets in the shadow zone. These systems are collectively known as over-the-horizon radars or OTH. is a type of radar system with the ability to detect targets at very long ranges, typically hundreds to thousands of kilometres, beyond the radar horizon, which is the distance limit for ordinary radar.

OTH Russian 29B6 Container Radar is capable to monitor airspace up to 100 km altitude and has range of 3000 km.

The thing is we are talking about S400 radar engaging target from 400km distance, so is s400 a OTHR? No, why are we talking about that?

And how effective are OTHR? Battle proof?

 

[NKVD]

The thing is we are talking about S400 radar engaging target from 400km distance, so is s400 a OTHR? No, why are we talking about that?

And how effective are OTHR? Battle proof?

Konteyner RLS Effective Use of OTH Network is in Russian Strategy. Vladimir Putin held a meeting June 19, 2013 on implementing the 2011–2020 state arms procurement program, focusing on development of the technology base for air and space defence. Putin said "By 2015, our air and space defence troops’ arms must be no less than 50% modernised, and no less than 70% modern by 2020. These plans are being gradually implemented: the potential of the air and space defence forces has been bolstered by the brand new Voronezh-M and Voronezh-DM radar stations; the Pantsir-S anti-aircraft missile system has been adopted for use; S-400 systems are already being serially produced and delivered to troops; tests are underway on the Vityaz aerial defence anti-aircraft missile system, as well as the Konteyner and Nebo-M radar stations; the advanced S-500 system, which is capable of resolving problems even in near space, is under development."

 

[Penguin]

Yes Stand-off Like JASSM But Its Limited To Its Only to MTCR Members
And how is that a problem in the context of the current discussion?

Also JASSM is Not Fully Recognized A-to-G role Missile Yes it Has imaging infrared (I2R) seeker But It Can only Effective in terminal Stage Its Mostly Use Use GPS or INS Guidance in it Full Flight Envelope

Like I said, you'ld swap out or add to the guidance section to include the HARM guidance package. Which means the IIR isn't the essential guidance element. You emit, you die.

There are other platforms available which would also be suitable. e.g. the 500+kmTaurus Kepd 350, 560+km Scalp EG/Storm Shadow

 

[cabatli_53]

@cabatli_53 Aselsan lists the SPEWS as AN/ALQ-178 - which is a BAE Systems product. Does Aselsan have its own EW/ECM suite under development? Is HEWS developed by Aselsan, and can a version of it be legally sold to Pakistan for use on the JF-17?

Aircraft ECM/EW system history of Turkish industry started with Spews deal signed with BAE in 2000's. According to agreement, The AN/ALQ-178 components were produced under the license of BAE in Aselsan.

http://www.ssm.gov.tr/anasayfa/projeler/Sayfalar/proje.aspx?projeID=162

Later, Turkey commenced development of those strategic products one by one. In parallel to technological advancement of Turkish industry, Aselsan was charged to develop domestic equivalents for aircraft (SPEWS)+helicopters(HEWS/OZISIK) to integrate same EW/ECM network of Turkish platforms using similar components in 2005.

http://www.ssm.gov.tr/anasayfa/projeler/Sayfalar/proje.aspx?projeID=70

Following EW/ECM sensors (Domestic):

-Radar Warning Receiver

-Radio Frequency Jammer

-Lazer Warning Receiver

-SCPU (Central computer)

Than, Counter measure munitions ( CMDS/CFM) were also developed with collaboration of many institutes like Aselsan, Mikes, Roketsan, MKE and Tübitak SAGE.

The most difficult part of ECM sensor development effort was MWR (Missile Warning Receivers) because It is required development of UV solar blind image intensifier tubes for development of such a critical sensor that A few nation has ability to build. Aselsan successfully developed UV blind image intensifiers.

 

[Freyja]

Russians & Chinese Both Developed OTH Radar

Russian are Operating OTH Radar Since Cold War ERA Duga radar
(OTH) radar system used as part of the Soviet ABM early-warning network. The system operated from July 1976 to December 1989. Two operational Duga radars were deployed, one near Chernobyl and Chernihiv in what was then called the Ukrainian SSR (present-day Ukraine), the other in eastern Siberia.

Panorama receive antennas of radar "Duga" in Chernobyl 2

All hail the Monolith. The Brain Scorcher is looking lovely these days.

Now if you'll excuse me, I've got a burning desire to go play SoC.

 

[Spectre]

All hail the Monolith. The Brain Scorcher is looking lovely these days.

Now if you'll excuse me, I've got a burning desire to go play SoC.

Rather prefer CoP

 

[Quwa]

Aircraft ECM/EW system history of Turkish industry started with Spews deal signed with BAE in 2000's. According to agreement, The AN/ALQ-178 components were produced under the license of BAE in Aselsan.

http://www.ssm.gov.tr/anasayfa/projeler/Sayfalar/proje.aspx?projeID=162

Later, Turkey commenced development of those strategic products one by one. In parallel to technological advancement of Turkish industry, Aselsan was charged to develop domestic equivalents for aircraft (SPEWS)+helicopters(HEWS/OZISIK) to integrate same EW/ECM network of Turkish platforms using similar components in 2005.

http://www.ssm.gov.tr/anasayfa/projeler/Sayfalar/proje.aspx?projeID=70

Following EW/ECM sensors (Domestic):

-Radar Warning Receiver

-Radio Frequency Jammer

-Lazer Warning Receiver

-SCPU (Central computer)

Than, Counter measure munitions ( CMDS/CFM) were also developed with collaboration of many institutes like Aselsan, Mikes, Roketsan, MKE and Tübitak SAGE.

The most difficult part of ECM sensor development effort was MWR (Missile Warning Receivers) because It is required development of UV solar blind image intensifier tubes for development of such a critical sensor that A few nation has ability to build. Aselsan successfully developed UV blind image intensifiers.

Excellent.

 

[The SC]

The Barak-derived short and medium-range systems are going to be a real pain in the butt for the PAF at low-altitude. Neutralizing the S-400 is more like deconstructing India's IADS, which is a strategic objective in its own right! How many assets can we realistically spare to address this when in reality we are going to be put up against the IAF's fighter fleet?

Decoys, decoys and more decoys till it won't have anymore missiles to fire, so no need to destroy it, just neutralize it..

How difficult do you think it is to mate the guidance section of an AGM-88E AARGM (HARM) with, say, a 370+ km (230 mi) JASSM or 1000+ km (620 mi) JASSM-ER? Besides, you don't need a 600km missile, if you have a low level penetrator aircraft delivering it 'close enough'.

And then there are systems such as the IAI Harop, so-called 'loitering munitions'. It is an anti-radiation drone that can autonomously home in on radio emissions. Rather than holding a separate high-explosive warhead, the drone itself is the main munition. This SEAD-optimised UCAV is designed to loiter the battlefield and attack targets by self-destructing into them. The drone can either operate fully autonomously, using its anti-radar homing system, or it can take a man-in-the-loop mode. If a target is not engaged, the drone will return and land itself back at base. Harop has an operational range of 1,000km. It can manoeuvre in the air for up to six hours.
http://www.iai.co.il/2013/36694-46079-EN/Business_Areas_Land.aspx


See warships: in most cases they can passively detect opponents long before they can with active radar. And that usually long before the opponent is within missile range.

And then it will blow up one of the base's radars

OT:
Here is the Question, Since the Koral land-based EW system can jam radar emissions at let's say 160 km and the S-400 radar emissions have a range of 400 km, won't that make the latter emissions and thus the detection capabilities at least 160 km less, so the S-400 will now have only 200 km efficient detection capability, if not being blinded completely or partially???