KMT has once requested the US to nuke China

[Chinese-Dragon]

No, I"m not accusing the Western media of anything. I am saying they are reporting what has been reported to them. Where is the source for the quote? How do you know it was not a CCP source that provided the information for the quote? Can you go that far?

You are still spouting the Party line on Taiwan, which what this thread was originally about anyway. You are still a believer in the programme and policies of the CCP and you believe what they say. You are a true believer in the Party, by your own admission you support the CCP. But you are a minority in and among Western-educated HK Chinese.

More conspiracies. This is really hilarious.

You are still spouting the Party line on Taiwan, which what this thread was originally about anyway. You are still a believer in the programme and policies of the CCP and you believe what they say. You are a true believer in the Party, by your own admission you support the CCP. But you are a minority in and among Western-educated HK Chinese.

I don't even know the party line on Taiwan.

What I said is unique to myself, if you put what I said about Taiwan into Google, there will be no other results except for my own post.

Go and try it yourself.

But you are a minority in and among Western-educated HK Chinese.

Wrong again. As usual.

The vast majority of Hong Kongers voted for the pro-Beijing camp, just like me. Go check the results of the last HK election.

 

[William Hung]

They're dirty players, Black Flag, but what can you expect from CCP indoctrinates. Chinese-Dragon keeps giving me negative ratings trying to get me banned, but he won't succeed. Anyway, BF, thank you for your support. It is appreciated.

I'll tell you my perspective:

I'm a foreign student in a western country. I am myself a left winger on a lot of political/economical issues (mostly influenced by western professors). So naturally, I come in contact with a lot of other left leaning students on campus, mostly they are non-foreign domestic students. What I've learnt is that a lot of these "lefties" (like 40%) are actually not genuine left wingers but just "contrarians."

They take on anti-capitalist and anti-western perspectives just for the sake of being contrarians. And most often, they blindly become pro-CCP, pro-USSR or sometime even pro-NK, just for the sake of... you guess it... being contrarians. In a lot of cases, they've become contrarians to the norm of their western society because they have social issues, having difficulties fitting into society or are just social outcasts in general.

I found this out because I often debate and disagree with alot of their perspectives. I'm not fond of capitalism, certain western perspective, etc. but it doesn't mean that I will blindly advocate regimes like the CCP or NK. This is because I have another perspective being a non-westerner and they are just western "coffee-shop revolutionaries." And I later learn that I can never have a genuine debate with them because they are not genuine left-wingers, but rather just contrarians because they are social outcasts and hate the norms of their native western society.

That's my personal experience on campus. But on forums like PDF, I see many similar things going on here. Some of these members (including both Chinese and some non-chinese members), they live or have lived in western countries but still talk trash and tell lies about the West (extreme police brutality, etc) and always blindly praise the CCP (even if it is some BS like how the West is authoritarian but the CCP is not lol).

And my conclusion is that these guys must of had (or are having) a bad time living in the West and so they come here to talk BS trash about the west and blindly praise the CCP. In other words, they are just contrarians, like those western coffee-shop revolutionaries I've met because they are social outcasts, have problems fitting into western societies, etc. One difference though, these guys are ethnic Chinese so it is more easy and natural for them to blindly support the CCP and be anti-west.

For Chinese members that live in China, they are a different case. But for these anti-west Chinese that live abroad, we can only laugh at their BS lol (but thats pretty mean actually).

 

[Echo_419]

China (which has never shown any interest in MDGs) is responsible for three-quarters of the achievement. Its economy has been growing so fast that, even though inequality is rising fast, extreme poverty is disappearing. China pulled 680m people out of misery in 1981-2010, and reduced its extreme-poverty rate from 84% in 1980 to 10% now.

That is one reason why (as the briefing explains) it will be harder to take a billion more people out of extreme poverty in the next 20 years than it was to take almost a billion out in the past 20. Poorer governance in India and Africa, the next two targets, means that China’s experience is unlikely to be swiftly replicated there. Another reason is that the bare achievement of pulling people over the $1.25-a-day line has been relatively easy in the past few years because so many people were just below it. When growth makes them even slightly better off, it hauls them over the line. With fewer people just below the official misery limit, it will be more difficult to push large numbers over it.

The world’s next great leap forward: Towards the end of poverty | The Economist

With the change of Leadership in India.I would remove India from the list of Poorly governed countries

 

[xunzi]

Really? Can provide quotes from the official PRC media. Extravagant claims are made for the PRC's economy in the West.

China facing long way from world's No.1 economy


BEIJING, May 5 (Xinhua) -- As the speculation over when China will overtake the United States as the world's largest economy rumbles on, China is more aware of the quality of its economy, rather than the sheer size.

China's GDP was nearly 87 percent of the United States in 2011 based on so-called purchasing power parity (PPP), said a World Bank report in the past week, and headlines across the globe duly began trumpeting that more than a century of American economic dominance was all but over.

China has dramatically outpaced the U.S. in economic expansion in recent years, with their latest GDP growth rates in the first quarter of 2014 standing at 7.4 percent and 0.1 percent respectively.

But in real terms there remains a tremendous gap. Last year, China's GDP was estimated to be 9.3 trillion U.S. dollars while the U.S. reached 16.8 trillion.

The PPP measurement takes into consideration the purchasing power of a country's currency rather than market exchange rates, but is a hypothetical calculation that assumes one price level across all countries.

PPP is widely seen as of secondary relevance for most business and financial market purposes, and it is worth noting that China's National Bureau of Statistics has expressed reservations about the methodology used, refusing to publish the headline results for China, according to the World Bank report.

Per capita GDP is more relevant to the Chinese people - 1.3 billion of them. By that measure, China is still far, far behind the industrialized world in economic output and all other economic indicators.

Absolute figures reveal little of the differences between the Main Streets of China and others. This country has come a long way, but it remains - undeniably - a developing country with too many fish to fry.

Some challenges confront China enough, threatening its development sustainability and compelling the country to think less about growth.

For example, in the iron and steel industry, once the country's backbone, overcapacity is severe and filthy foundries are eating up energy and polluting the environment. It is simply no longer viable to prop up production in the name of good output numbers.

Indeed, China has arrived at the conclusion that it is time to part ways with GDP obsession - something worth drawing a lesson or two from, for those who have yet to take notice.

China facing long way from world's No.1 economy - Xinhua | English.news.cn

These concerns were also reflected in a recent commentary published by Xinhua. The title, “China facing long way from world’s No. 1 economy,” directly refutes the proclamations by foreign media that China is now the economic king. The article first dismissed PPP as a secondary measure, and pointed out that China’s nominal GDP is still far behind the United States’. It also emphasized that “China is still far, far behind the industrialized world” in per capita terms. “This country has come a long way, but it remains — undeniably — a developing country with too many fish to fry,” the article concluded.

A similar Chinese-language Xinhua piece cautioned readers not to take the World Bank report too seriously. The article provided a laundry list issues still facing China: unbalanced regional economic growth, environmental pollution, and a lack of natural resources. “China’s basic situation as a large developing country still hasn’t changed,” a researcher from the State Council’s Development Research Center told Xinhua.
China Doesn’t Want to Be Number One | The Diplomat

 

[Red Spinifex]

At least Xunzi provides the data which is more than Chinese-Dragon does in support of his wild accusations.
Xunzi/Hsun Tzu is one of my favourite Chinese philosophers, too. He was right, of course, human nature is basically inherently bad. One only needs look at certain parties on here to see that is true.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I'll tell you my perspective:

I'm a foreign student in a western country. I am myself a left winger on a lot of political/economical issues (mostly influenced by western professors). So naturally, I come in contact with a lot of other left leaning students on campus, mostly they are non-foreign domestic students. What I've learnt is that a lot of these "lefties" (like 40%) are actually not genuine left wingers but just "contrarians."

They take on anti-capitalist and anti-western perspectives just for the sake of being contrarians. And most often, they blindly become pro-CCP, pro-USSR or sometime even pro-NK, just for the sake of... you guess it... being contrarians. In a lot of cases, they've become contrarians to the norm of their western society because they have social issues, having difficulties fitting into society or are just social outcasts in general.

I found this out because I often debate and disagree with alot of their perspectives. I'm not fond of capitalism, certain western perspective, etc. but it doesn't mean that I will blindly advocate regimes like the CCP or NK. This is because I have another perspective being a non-westerner and they are just western "coffee-shop revolutionaries." And I later learn that I can never have a genuine debate with them because they are not genuine left-wingers, but rather just contrarians because they are social outcasts and hate the norms of their native western society.

That's my personal experience on campus. But on forums like PDF, I see many similar things going on here. Some of these members (including both Chinese and some non-chinese members), they live or have lived in western countries but still talk trash and tell lies about the West (extreme police brutality, etc) and always blindly praise the CCP (even if it is some BS like how the West is authoritarian but the CCP is not lol).

And my conclusion is that these guys must of had (or are having) a bad time living in the West and so come here to talk BS trash about the west and blindly praising the CCP. In other words, they are just contrarians, like those western coffee-shop revolutionaries I've met because they are social outcasts, have problems fitting into western societies, etc. One difference though, these guys are ethnic Chinese so it is more easy and natural for them to blindly support the CCP and be anti-west.

For Chinese members that live in China, they are a different case. But for these anti-west Chinese that live abroad, we can only laugh at their BS lol (but thats pretty mean if actually).

Is that a joke?

From CNN:

The Chinese like capitalism more than Americans - CNN News

 

[Red Spinifex]

China facing long way from world's No.1 economy


BEIJING, May 5 (Xinhua) -- As the speculation over when China will overtake the United States as the world's largest economy rumbles on, China is more aware of the quality of its economy, rather than the sheer size.

China's GDP was nearly 87 percent of the United States in 2011 based on so-called purchasing power parity (PPP), said a World Bank report in the past week, and headlines across the globe duly began trumpeting that more than a century of American economic dominance was all but over.

China has dramatically outpaced the U.S. in economic expansion in recent years, with their latest GDP growth rates in the first quarter of 2014 standing at 7.4 percent and 0.1 percent respectively.

But in real terms there remains a tremendous gap. Last year, China's GDP was estimated to be 9.3 trillion U.S. dollars while the U.S. reached 16.8 trillion.

The PPP measurement takes into consideration the purchasing power of a country's currency rather than market exchange rates, but is a hypothetical calculation that assumes one price level across all countries.

PPP is widely seen as of secondary relevance for most business and financial market purposes, and it is worth noting that China's National Bureau of Statistics has expressed reservations about the methodology used, refusing to publish the headline results for China, according to the World Bank report.

Per capita GDP is more relevant to the Chinese people - 1.3 billion of them. By that measure, China is still far, far behind the industrialized world in economic output and all other economic indicators.

Absolute figures reveal little of the differences between the Main Streets of China and others. This country has come a long way, but it remains - undeniably - a developing country with too many fish to fry.

Some challenges confront China enough, threatening its development sustainability and compelling the country to think less about growth.

For example, in the iron and steel industry, once the country's backbone, overcapacity is severe and filthy foundries are eating up energy and polluting the environment. It is simply no longer viable to prop up production in the name of good output numbers.

Indeed, China has arrived at the conclusion that it is time to part ways with GDP obsession - something worth drawing a lesson or two from, for those who have yet to take notice.

China facing long way from world's No.1 economy - Xinhua | English.news.cn

These concerns were also reflected in a recent commentary published by Xinhua. The title, “China facing long way from world’s No. 1 economy,” directly refutes the proclamations by foreign media that China is now the economic king. The article first dismissed PPP as a secondary measure, and pointed out that China’s nominal GDP is still far behind the United States’. It also emphasized that “China is still far, far behind the industrialized world” in per capita terms. “This country has come a long way, but it remains — undeniably — a developing country with too many fish to fry,” the article concluded.

A similar Chinese-language Xinhua piece cautioned readers not to take the World Bank report too seriously. The article provided a laundry list issues still facing China: unbalanced regional economic growth, environmental pollution, and a lack of natural resources. “China’s basic situation as a large developing country still hasn’t changed,” a researcher from the State Council’s Development Research Center told Xinhua.
China Doesn’t Want to Be Number One | The Diplomat

Ok, this is a modest assessment and suitably cautious. Thanks for this, Xunzi.

Is that a joke?

From CNN:

The Chinese like capitalism more than Americans - CNN News

Is this?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Is this?

Now don't tell me CNN News is selling the CPC party line as well?

That's too much of a conspiracy, even for you.

 

[Red Spinifex]

I'll tell you my perspective:

I'm a foreign student in a western country. I am myself a left winger on a lot of political/economical issues (mostly influenced by western professors). So naturally, I come in contact with a lot of other left leaning students on campus, mostly they are non-foreign domestic students. What I've learnt is that a lot of these "lefties" (like 40%) are actually not genuine left wingers but just "contrarians."

They take on anti-capitalist and anti-western perspectives just for the sake of being contrarians. And most often, they blindly become pro-CCP, pro-USSR or sometime even pro-NK, just for the sake of... you guess it... being contrarians. In a lot of cases, they've become contrarians to the norm of their western society because they have social issues, having difficulties fitting into society or are just social outcasts in general.

I found this out because I often debate and disagree with alot of their perspectives. I'm not fond of capitalism, certain western perspective, etc. but it doesn't mean that I will blindly advocate regimes like the CCP or NK. This is because I have another perspective being a non-westerner and they are just western "coffee-shop revolutionaries." And I later learn that I can never have a genuine debate with them because they are not genuine left-wingers, but rather just contrarians because they are social outcasts and hate the norms of their native western society.

That's my personal experience on campus. But on forums like PDF, I see many similar things going on here. Some of these members (including both Chinese and some non-chinese members), they live or have lived in western countries but still talk trash and tell lies about the West (extreme police brutality, etc) and always blindly praise the CCP (even if it is some BS like how the West is authoritarian but the CCP is not lol).

And my conclusion is that these guys must of had (or are having) a bad time living in the West and so they come here to talk BS trash about the west and blindly praise the CCP. In other words, they are just contrarians, like those western coffee-shop revolutionaries I've met because they are social outcasts, have problems fitting into western societies, etc. One difference though, these guys are ethnic Chinese so it is more easy and natural for them to blindly support the CCP and be anti-west.

For Chinese members that live in China, they are a different case. But for these anti-west Chinese that live abroad, we can only laugh at their BS lol (but thats pretty mean actually).

That's fair enough, Black Flag. And you are right, contrarians abound. But on here on PDF they are true believers in the CCP and not simply contrarians for the sake of it or because they are socially alienated. But it is an interesting take on the thing. Where are you studying? Or don't you want to disclose that? Either way, it is of course all right.

Now don't tell me CNN News is selling the CPC party line as well?

That's too much of a conspiracy, even for you.

No, CNN isn't but you are. Where have I mentioned conspiracy? You have consistently ignored my questions on this.

Now don't tell me CNN News is selling the CPC party line as well?

That's too much of a conspiracy, even for you.

When's the blitz on Taiwan, Dragon? When are you enlisting in the PLA to take the fight to the KMT?

 

[William Hung]

Is that a joke?

From CNN:

The Chinese like capitalism more than Americans - CNN News

Read my post again.

1. I did not say Chinese are anti-capitalist. I was talking about the leftist students on my campus.

2. I said Chinese members that live in China are a different case.

My post was referring to Chinese living abroad. They are similarly contrarians to the coffee-shop lefties in the sense that they've become anti-west. I did not say they've become anti-capitalist (I think there is only one Chinese member here who is a genuine anti-capitalist).

 

[Red Spinifex]

More conspiracies. This is really hilarious.



I don't even know the party line on Taiwan.

What I said is unique to myself, if you put what I said about Taiwan into Google, there will be no other results except for my own post.

Go and try it yourself.



Wrong again. As usual.

The vast majority of Hong Kongers voted for the pro-Beijing camp, just like me. Go check the results of the last HK election.

I'm inclined to scepticism. Post the results if you are so sure.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

When's the blitz on Taiwan, Dragon? When are you enlisting in the PLA to take the fight to the KMT?

2025 is my own prediction for when we'll be at a decent place in terms of economic and military development.

@ChineseTiger1986 thinks it will be in the year 2020.

Maybe the CPC thinks it will be earlier.

Maybe they are emboldened by the fact that America abandoned the Philippines when we seized the Scarborough shoal in 2012. Despite America having a "mutual defense treaty" with the Philippines, they just abandoned them when China came.

And I would absolutely love to join the PLA when reunification happens. Just to be there myself for that historic moment. Like I was in downtown Central during the 1997 HK handover.

I won't try to take my own personal "revenge" against the ROC people if that's what you are worried about. But I would like to be there.

 

[William Hung]

That's fair enough, Black Flag. And you are right, contrarians abound. But on here on PDF they are true believers in the CCP and not simply contrarians for the sake of it or because they are socially alienated. But it is an interesting take on the thing. Where are you studying? Or don't you want to disclose that? Either way, it is of course all right.

For some Chinese members that have never been abroad, that might be true. But for Chinese living abroad, it can't be (from my perspective anyway). Maybe you haven't been here long enough. Some of the trash talk about the West are blatant lies, like how extreme police brutality is or how they have more civil rights in China than the west. I swear, sometime they made the West sounded like it is still stuck in the middle age lol.

My own personal conclusion is that they are just contrarians, or they've told lies about having lived in the West. No way can they genuinely believe the stuff that they say here.

 

[mike2000]

Then why you still use the communist emblem as your avatar?

i was about to ask the same question. India to my surprise is even more communist/socialist today than China to be honest.

Coming to topic, of course the U.S and any other country in Europe , neither my country as well, will never go to a nuclear war with China for whatever reason. I still dont understand why some people here can be soooo Naive(or maybe its more like desolution) into thinking otherwise. You think we will risk our livelihood/blood and a nuclear amagedon which will destroy the earth/make it uninhabitable for centuries just because of a small tiny island? lool Thats quite funny with all due respect. We will/might provide Taiwan with military,diplomatic,economic,financial and MAYBE implement sanctions against China if there was to be any invasion/war between the two. But will NEVER intervene directly, much less nuke another country(much less a nuclear power like China) for such a minor reason.lol Taiwan isnt that important for us to even thinkof using nukes, i cant really believe people on here even believe such a thing can happen.
Economic sanctions,military and economic support YES, but a direct full scale war/intervention/nuclear war.lool? NOPE NEVER.

Anyway, i dont foresee any war between Taiwan and China in the foreseeable future anyway. Both partiesseem to be rather ok with the status quo. Though i believe it will be better for Taiwan, if it were to press for any compromises with Beijing now rather than a decade or more from now, when the mainland will have grown just too powerful for them to have any chance at all to negotiate in high position. So i think time is on Beijing's side.

Only China still holds the banner of the socialism until today, while USSR has abandoned it long time ago.

Good you said 'holds' the banner of socialism. Since in reality, China isnt anything socialist or communist at all. Its even getting more and more capitalistic/free trade than even us in the west/U.S

 

[Victor Xu]

It is interesting to see some Taiwanese here. Thirty years ago, they can show us their good economy. Twenty years ago, they can show and boost their militant, but today, they can only boost their so called “western democracy”. Then continue to do so my friend, if one day you can eat your that stupid stuff. LOL Never mind him my friend from mainland , you can not explain the theory of relativity with a pupil. Let them drown in their clueless pride to death. The more idiot like him in Taiwan, the less danger we have.