Kiwis soft on India’s NSG bid, Turkey backs Pak

[Guynextdoor2]

If you're connect this with UNSC, then its all about power.

We have the Nuke Tech so we don't need NSG for that, Long Range missiles so don't need MTCR for that, but as 'high table' (not the usual members) participants on both forums UNSC becomes a closer possibility. We could have become members of both bodies several years ago, but we wanted to be in the very 'top group'.

 

[Red Wolf]

We have the Nuke Tech so we don't need NSG for that, Long Range missiles so don't need MTCR for that, but as 'high table' (not the usual members) participants on both forums UNSC becomes a closer possibility. We could have become members of both bodies several years ago, but we wanted to be in the very 'top group'.

Then its about power.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Then its about power.

Of course it is

 

[GURU DUTT]

Then its about power.

all the international and even local politics is about power which makes you have everything to desire isnt it

thing is all those nations supporting india know that how much they can profit from it in long period deu to trade and economy what do pakistan has to offer them accept china

think of it like you scratch my back and ill scratch yours

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

We have the Nuke Tech so we don't need NSG for that, Long Range missiles so don't need MTCR for that, but as 'high table' (not the usual members) participants on both forums UNSC becomes a closer possibility. We could have become members of both bodies several years ago, but we wanted to be in the very 'top group'.

Just a correction here,

India doesn't need MCTR for long range missiles.

India already produces 81 of 94 MCTR restricted technologies,

Some those produced by India include ICBM technologies like RV heat sinks , RV electronics etc

The 2010 MCTR Handbook has listed 94 technologies applicable to missiles:

For each technology a list of nations producing them is mentioned.

Idea of this list to get a status of missile technology development in some nations.

Number of MCTR Technologies produced by the following nations out of total 94 technologies:

India : 81
Pakistan : 39
China : 92
Iran: 21
Israel: 74
Turkey: 4
USA:94
UK:94
Russia:94
France: 93
Japan: 93
Saudi Arabia:0
North Korea:25
South Africa : 34
South Korea: 42
Vietnam: 0

http://www.mtcr.info/english/MTCR_Annex_Handbook_ENG.pdf

Areas India is lagging in:
1. Propellants (Majority)
2. Space based guidance technology
3. Nuclear Effects Protection materials i.e against EMP etc.
4. Stealth.

https://defence.pk/threads/number-of-mctr-technologies-produced-by-nations.434064/

MCTR will allow India to import armed drones and export its own space program technologies to MCTR members

 

[Red Wolf]

all the international and even local politics is about power which makes you have everything to desire isnt it

thing is all those nations supporting india know that how much they can profit from it in long period deu to trade and economy what do pakistan has to offer them accept china

think of it like you scratch my back and ill scratch yours

Hence, my opinion that its about power. To paint this as a "prestige issue" is silly.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Just a correction here,

India doesn't need MCTR for long range missiles.

India already produces 81 of 94 MCTR restricted technologies,

Some those produced by India include ICBM technologies like RV heat sinks , RV electronics etc



https://defence.pk/threads/number-of-mctr-technologies-produced-by-nations.434064/

MCTR will allow India to import armed drones and export its own space program technologies to MCTR members

That's exactly what I said. We don't need tech from MTCR countries, which is why it was important for them to make a deal with India. Imagine you say only these countries will have missiles and another country outside this list shows middle finger, develops ICBM, sends rocket to mars etc. Your entire structure collapses. It's better to et that guy into the tent pissing outside and let him stand outside and gleefully piss into everyone inside the tent.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Hence, my opinion that its about power. To paint this as a "prestige issue" is silly.

does it really matter weather its a power game or a prestige issue

thing is we produce or are in process of R&D or in a deal with australia russia , USA , Japan and france for almost all the techs one gets legal access to after bieng part of NSG in short both MTCR and NSG seat are stepping stones for permanent UNSC seat got it

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Hence, my opinion that its about power. To paint this as a "prestige issue" is silly.

Power and Prestige are closely linked.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

That's exactly what I said. We don't need tech from MTCR countries, which is why it was important for them to make a deal with India. Imagine you say only these countries will have missiles and another country outside this list shows middle finger, develops ICBM, sends rocket to mars etc. Your entire structure collapses. It's better to et that guy into the tent pissing outside and let him stand outside and gleefully piss into everyone inside the tent.

I think this was the impetus for American backing for India's MCTR membership

As per wikileaks they were very concerned with Iranian contacting some India's missile technology supplier and criticism of India's weak export controls.

 

[Red Wolf]

It actually is only a prestige issue. With this UNSC seat becomes easily possible.

Then its about power.

Of course it is

does it really matter weather its a power game or a prestige issue

Power and Prestige are closely linked.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Prestige gives your power.

 

[Red Wolf]

Prestige gives your power.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

And power gives you prestige

 

[GURU DUTT]