King Raheel

[I.R.A]

Don't think an average Pakistani will agree with the contents of this article. However makes perfect sense for a neutral perspective. Pakistanis have this kinda thing in them to romatisise & idolise their Army leaders. Either this is due to utter failure of civilian leaders or effective image building by the military establishment. However this macho worshiping only lasts till the tenure of the chief at the helm. This was the euphoria even in the past...& one can remember then civilian leaders pushing to confer Gen Kayani with Field Marshal title & the man could do no wrong. But now that he is retired...he didn't do enough things right when he was the chief. So was the case with your ex CJP. You guys are too quick to put someone on high pedestal... & once the charm runs out, baam..slam him down to earth in no time. Maybe be there is a need to find a balance somewhere in between!

This same logic also applies to an average Indian Modi fan no? And considering the size of this fan club I would say lots of average people.

 

[NaMaloom]

This same logic also applies to an average Indian Modi fan no? And considering the size of this fan club I would say lots of average people.

Respond to what he is saying instead of trying to turn the topic around to Modi. We Pakistanis may have a thousand qualms with India from Modi to God knows what but their politicians keep their generals in line.. not like ours where the generals keep the politicians in line.

Mod Edit: Keep on topic, no need for pointless one liners.

To the Moderator who left the above message,

"I see clearly its more than a one liner and very much on topic which is King Raheel article, an article that talks about the weakness of Pakistani politicians and the power of the Army Generals in Pakistani policy making, both domestic and international. I was bringing user 'Color_Less_Sky' attention back to the topic since he was trying to turn it in to an Indian issue by talking about Modi. If you are unfit to be a moderator, or cannot understand English language, find something worthwhile to do with your time. After one of your moderator cohorts deleted my previous post because he couldn't stomach some criticism of the army chief much as your stomach seems to be turning, you should be apologizing on behalf of your defence.pk army fanboys since my earlier post was a perfectly legitimate one".

 

[karan.1970]

Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result .. Fits like a glove

 

[iPhone]

Don't think an average Pakistani will agree with the contents of this article. However makes perfect sense for a neutral perspective. Pakistanis have this kinda thing in them to romatisise & idolise their Army leaders. Either this is due to utter failure of civilian leaders or effective image building by the military establishment. However this macho worshiping only lasts till the tenure of the chief at the helm. This was the euphoria even in the past...& one can remember then civilian leaders pushing to confer Gen Kayani with Field Marshal title & the man could do no wrong. But now that he is retired...he didn't do enough things right when he was the chief. So was the case with your ex CJP. You guys are too quick to put someone on high pedestal... & once the charm runs out, baam..slam him down to earth in no time. Maybe be there is a need to find a balance somewhere in between!

Uhh, excuse me you're not a neutral observer. As an indian you have an extreme bias and prejudice against Pakistan army.

 

[I.R.A]

Respond to what he is saying instead of trying to turn the topic around to Modi. We Pakistanis may have a thousand qualms with India from Modi to God knows what but their politicians keep their generals in line.. not like ours where the generals keep the politicians in line.

All hail King Raheel of Al-Bakistan!

What makes you think Indian Military does not sabotage peace processes with Pakistan? It has always been funny for me when an Indian lectures me to boycott or cricticise my country's Army. And for the response part he is nobody to categorize Pakistanis into average, below average or whatever and it is none of his business to lecture us. Mind your own business is the term I think.

 

[P.K.]

What a foolish writer. Can't seem to see the difference between previous terms and this one.

what else but nonsense drivel to be expected from this media?

kind of a joke.dawn is a traitor anyway

wtf

Raheel Saab, please put dawn on your list of traitors.

The ugly writer is speaking the words of RAW and unsurprisingly his name is absent.....The writer is a staff member. Dawn is sold out newspaper and for its anti-state policies, it should be banned.

What do you expect? He's a journalist, he will be all out of money for food if he didn't have some trash article every sunday.

@Horus @Irfan Baloch @Icarus @Oscar & other Mods/Admins

When will you guys ban Dawn.in as a news source on defence.pk?

People are getting fed up with this bullshit toilet paper.

A very non realistic point of viev by this guy, ,especialy against Raheel Sharif, needs to be a real eye on such type of pay rolled persons.

According to PDF, Raheel truely is the representative LEADER of Pakistan. Then WHAT exactly are the obstacles or the pitfalls in declaring so ???

 

[Secret Service]

According to PDF, Raheel truely is the representative LEADER of Pakistan. Then WHAT exactly are the obstacles or the pitfalls in declaring so ???

humari marzi..

 

[JanjaWeed]

This same logic also applies to an average Indian Modi fan no? And considering the size of this fan club I would say lots of average people.

Apples & oranges. Modi is a political leader not an army chief & every political leader is bound to have his / her following...without that they can't be called as a leader in the first place. For every Modi there is a Rahul Gandhi, Sonia Gandhi, Arvind Kejriwal, Mulayam Singh Yadav etc...etc...to keep Modi in check.

 

[kaonalpha]

The article speaks the bitter truth. Dawn this time has written an undeniable fact.

To the desperado's who believe dawn has this time crossed the line. No ! This time have published what Dawn should be publishing factual truth and not crap.

 

[JanjaWeed]

Uhh, excuse me you're not a neutral observer. As an indian you have an extreme bias and prejudice against Pakistan army.

OK..I'm an Indian with extreme bias & prejudice against Pak army. I got a simple question for you...who is the better hero out of these.. Gen Ayub Khan, Gen Yahya Khan, Gen Zia Ul Haq, Gen Musharraf, Gen Kayani & Gen Raheel Sharif.. & If may add CJP Chaudhary?

 

[I.R.A]

Apples & oranges. Modi is a political leader not an army chief & every political leader is bound to have his / her following...without that they can't be called as a leader in the first place. For every Modi there is a Rahul Gandhi, Sonia Gandhi, Arvind Kejriwal, Mulayam Singh Yadav etc...etc...to keep Modi in check.

Ex-CJP of Pakistan was also no Army Chief, but you referred to him too. And interestingly people supported him against Musharraf an Army chief and dictator. If we are talking about saviors then Modi enjoys the same status as Raheel does in terms of support and fans, it does not matter one is wearing uniform and other is capable of doing the same without wearing uniform.

 

[Thorough Pro]

What a sore loser to not even publish his/her name, or did the article came from some external source?

King Raheel - Newspaper - DAWN.COM

IT’S silly season again. For some reason the week began with, the best there was, the best there is, the best there ever will be — King Raheel. May God save him and may he save the rest of us.

Then, because the gods like to play around with us, the Badaber hiccup happened. But, because he’s also Teflon Raheel, it didn’t matter.

A massive attack was thwarted. Thirty lives were lost, but tragedy was averted. The chief was on the ground and in charge. The terrorists will never win while Raheel is around.

It’s easy to forget that we’ve seen all of this before.

Back when Musharraf was king, back when Kayani was saviour. It’s pretty standard fare, a pretty standard arc. Luckily for Raheel, memories here are shorter than a chief’s tenure.

Go back to 2002. Musharraf had saved Pakistan. The court had given him three years; he had taken over with economic collapse beckoning and when Pakistan was an international pariah after the nuclear tests.

For good measure, the outside world had tired of dictators in Pakistan.

Three years in, Pakistan was in love with its commando. 9/11 may have helped rehabilitate him internationally, but his seven-point agenda had helped steady the ship domestically.

Corruption was down, professionalism was in, the country looked like it was set to go places — and the architect of the turnaround was the straight-talking patriot, Musharraf.

It’s easy to forget that we’ve seen all of this before.
It’s probably what convinced him to go for the fatal referendum. His court-mandated three years were up, but he was popular as hell. Pakistan needed him. How could he say no?

If he hadn’t rigged the referendum, he would probably have won it handily anyway. But rig he did and five more years he granted himself.

We all know how that turned out.

Turn to 2008. The military was being pummelled by public opinion and militancy. Soldiers were advised not to wear uniforms in public. Lal Masjid had produced an epic blowback. The lawyers’ movement had sapped military morale.

The country was going downhill and fast. Enter Kayani. Yes, Kayani.

There he was, the thinking general. The country had tired of the commando and his brashness; it wanted someone who could figure out what had gone wrong and come up with a plan to restore pride and right the balance.

Kayani was that man. He shuttered the ISI political cell and pulled spooks and soldiers out of politics. He made sure there was no meddling in the elections.

His real love was the army. He announced the Year of the Soldier. Service matters were attended to. Morale was boosted and pay increased.

And he would take the fight to the militants. He orchestrated Swat, first letting the politicians cut the Nizam-i-Adl deal and then expertly exploiting Fazlullah and Sufi Muhammad’s ambitions.

Months later, he took us into South Waziristan, promising to rid it of militants as part of a phased campaign to eventually recover all of Fata.

Times were still tough, but Kayani was the steady hand. He gave us the Kayani moment. Remember that?

Nawaz had threatened to march on Islamabad. Asif had panicked. Rehman Malik wanted to shoot at the protesters if they crossed Pindi. Ifitkhar Chaudhry was enjoying the attention and the storm around him.

But Kayani kept his cool. No, he wasn’t going to take over — he was too good for that. Instead, he had a word with Asif and gave his word to Nawaz and Chaudhry.

Crisis averted. The general had shown the pols how politics was meant to be done.

Come 2010, he was so good and so powerful he could do whatever the hell he liked. So he did — and gave himself a second term.

We all know how that turned out.

Now, it’s King Raheel’s turn. The same arc is there. We don’t need to go over what all he has done. The spin brigade doesn’t tire of telling us.

So, let’s try something else — figuring out how Nawaz helped him become King Raheel. Not wittingly, for Nawaz would surely like to be king himself.

But two fatal errors set the path for Raheel’s walk to glory.

The second one first — that catastrophic failure that was the Jan 2014 speech in parliament. Everything was set for the announcement of a military operation in North Waziristan.

The TTP was rampant again and had to be cut down to size. The military was itching to put the Kayani inertia behind it.

Nawaz could never be a warrior, but he could be a wartime PM. He had already shown decisiveness on Karachi.

Now, it was time to take on the TTP. But he blinked. He loved Punjab too much. Talks were to be given another chance, in the hope of winning a peace for Punjab.

The moment was gone. Five months later, after the Karachi airport attack and with the Chinese growing insistent, Raheel grabbed his chance. North Waziristan would be Raheel’s war.

As would the glory.

The other Nawaz mistake — Musharraf over India. A trade deal with India was on the table. It could have been a game-changer. But the boys didn’t like it.

And the boys were already miffed. Nawaz had vowed to put Musharraf on trial. It was as personal as it was unnecessary. The man who had made him miss his father’s funeral and put him in handcuffs would have to pay.

So Nawaz chose — and he chose wrong. He ended up getting neither — neither a trade deal with India nor Musharraf’s scalp. Counterfactuals are difficult things, but imagine if Nawaz had put his foot down on the right thing.

But that’s history. The man who would have been king helped pave the path for the man who is king. It’s Raheel’s kingdom now.

So all hail the king — and try and forget that you’ve seen all of this before.

The writer is a member of staff.

 

[iPhone]

OK..I'm an Indian with extreme bias & prejudice against Pak army. I got a simple question for you...who is the better hero out of these.. Gen Ayub Khan, Gen Yahya Khan, Gen Zia Ul Haq, Gen Musharraf, Gen Kayani & Gen Raheel Sharif.. & If may add CJP Chaudhary?

I don't regard anyone as hero. They all had a job to do, some did it exceptionally well than the others and that's that.
I just pointed out the self-righteousness in you that you consider yourself as neutral despite being Indian and having obvious prejudice against Pakistan and her army.

 

[Usama78]

All I see in this thread is fact twisted one side of a 4d picture....
Apparently, Raheel sharif has not done anything wrong, but this article here wants everyone to assume that eventually he will... or it is because of the fears of army that no one tells the wrong doings of the army... or that we can only realize raheels wrong doings after he retires....
In any case, lets stop trusting the army...
My foot to such an article... SHOW THE WHOLE FU*KING PICTURE and only then be judgemental... But no... then that last line wont fit in properly, no?

 

[JanjaWeed]

Ex-CJP of Pakistan was also no Army Chief, but you referred to him too. And interestingly people supported him against an Musharraf an Army chief and dictator. If we are talking about saviors then Modi enjoys the same status as Raheel does in terms of support and fans, it does not matter one is wearing uniform and other is capable of doing the same without wearing uniform.

Again...Popularity of a political leader is based on his performance. Why Modi generates hope among majority of Indians despite being suppressed by innumerable political opponents & why Nawaz Sharif can't inspire same kinda enthusiasm within Pakistanis? Why is it everytime Pakistanis are having to go beyond their chosen ones & look for that superhero in the form of Musharraf or Kayani or Sharif or Chaudhry to lead them?

I don't regard anyone as hero. They all had a job to do, some did it exceptionally well than the others and that's that.
I just pointed out the self-righteousness in you that you consider yourself as neutral despite being Indian and having obvious prejudice against Pakistan and her army.

Fair enough...despite my obvious prejudice & bias against Pakistan, would you agree that all those I have mentioned in my post were hero worshipped one time or another during their tenure?