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Foreign Minister Khawaja Asif has once again spoken boldly about Pakistan’s need to reflect on flawed security policy choices of the past and urgently put its house in order today.

Predictably, Mr Asif’s remarks have drawn criticism from nationalist quarters more concerned with issues of image and how Pakistan is perceived in India or the US than the threat that militancy poses to the future of this country.

Indeed, the foreign minister’s critique of Pakistan’s embrace of non-state actors decades ago began with a familiar attack against the US for encouraging jihad in the region in the war against the Soviets in Afghanistan. That is undeniably true and too few US policymakers are willing to acknowledge that choices made under the umbrella of the Cold War changed the course of history in this region.

History has shown that the fear of the Soviets seeking access to a warm water port through Afghanistan and Pakistan was overblown, but the Pakistani state controlled by a military dictator found the combination of that fear and US-financed plans to wage war against the Soviets in Afghanistan irresistible.

Nearly four decades since the start of asymmetric warfare in Afghanistan, championing the cause of jihad in the region is a historic wrong that rivals the mistakes that led to the break-up of Pakistan. Certainly, Pakistan has done much to try and correct the errors of the past; the counter-insurgency campaigns and counterterrorism operations of the past decade have won a hard-earned semblance of stability in the country for which the country’s soldiers and civilian security personnel are owed an immeasurable debt of gratitude.

But true peace and meaningful stability cannot be achieved without the total dismantling of all militant and terrorist networks and sustained counter-extremism programmes across the country.

What the foreign minister has claimed ought to be unremarkable and uncontested. Groups such as the Haqqani network and Lashkar-e-Taiba are no allies of this country and their leaders have agendas that are inimical to the rule of law, constitutionality and democracy in Pakistan.

There cannot and should not be space for such groups to operate, either clandestinely or openly, in Pakistan and the state has no business forfeiting the rights and future of the Pakistani people in the pursuit of some self-defeating strategic goals. What can be debated is the right approach to dismantling the remaining militant networks and deradicalising Pakistani society.

Fears of blowback are not unfounded and where peaceful means can be found, they should be thoroughly explored. Perhaps the government should consider widening the incipient debate to include parliament, the provinces and civil society.

A more inclusive, tolerant Pakistan at peace with its neighbours is first and foremost a victory for the Pakistani people themselves. Bad choices stem from narrowly confined deliberations. All of Pakistan should be invited to debate the country’s future.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1360644/khawaja-asifs-correct-stand
@django @Zibago @Hell hound @Imad.Khan @Sher Shah Awan
 
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Just like the Dawn liberal extremists to back their hero who is reinforcing lies about our country. Doesn't matter, let them make it abundantly clear which side of the line they stand on.
I despise PMLN but this time KH Asif is right and we should stand with gov on this please put your political biasness aside this has nothing to do with liberalism or conservatism it's about Pakistan.
 
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Just like the Dawn liberal extremists to back their hero who is reinforcing lies about our country. Doesn't matter, let them make it abundantly clear which side of the line they stand on.
N league is liberal ?yeh calling women tractor trolly ,Dumper ,cocaine addict ,leafleting through planes naked pics of BB AND HER MOTHER .
Dawn lost all his marbles nobody beleives on them anymore thanks to sehgals and zafer abbas crony of Ns
 
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Foreign Minister Khawaja Asif has once again spoken boldly about Pakistan’s need to reflect on flawed security policy choices of the past and urgently put its house in order today.

Predictably, Mr Asif’s remarks have drawn criticism from nationalist quarters more concerned with issues of image and how Pakistan is perceived in India or the US than the threat that militancy poses to the future of this country.

Indeed, the foreign minister’s critique of Pakistan’s embrace of non-state actors decades ago began with a familiar attack against the US for encouraging jihad in the region in the war against the Soviets in Afghanistan. That is undeniably true and too few US policymakers are willing to acknowledge that choices made under the umbrella of the Cold War changed the course of history in this region.

History has shown that the fear of the Soviets seeking access to a warm water port through Afghanistan and Pakistan was overblown, but the Pakistani state controlled by a military dictator found the combination of that fear and US-financed plans to wage war against the Soviets in Afghanistan irresistible.

Nearly four decades since the start of asymmetric warfare in Afghanistan, championing the cause of jihad in the region is a historic wrong that rivals the mistakes that led to the break-up of Pakistan. Certainly, Pakistan has done much to try and correct the errors of the past; the counter-insurgency campaigns and counterterrorism operations of the past decade have won a hard-earned semblance of stability in the country for which the country’s soldiers and civilian security personnel are owed an immeasurable debt of gratitude.

But true peace and meaningful stability cannot be achieved without the total dismantling of all militant and terrorist networks and sustained counter-extremism programmes across the country.

What the foreign minister has claimed ought to be unremarkable and uncontested. Groups such as the Haqqani network and Lashkar-e-Taiba are no allies of this country and their leaders have agendas that are inimical to the rule of law, constitutionality and democracy in Pakistan.

There cannot and should not be space for such groups to operate, either clandestinely or openly, in Pakistan and the state has no business forfeiting the rights and future of the Pakistani people in the pursuit of some self-defeating strategic goals. What can be debated is the right approach to dismantling the remaining militant networks and deradicalising Pakistani society.

Fears of blowback are not unfounded and where peaceful means can be found, they should be thoroughly explored. Perhaps the government should consider widening the incipient debate to include parliament, the provinces and civil society.

A more inclusive, tolerant Pakistan at peace with its neighbours is first and foremost a victory for the Pakistani people themselves. Bad choices stem from narrowly confined deliberations. All of Pakistan should be invited to debate the country’s future.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1360644/khawaja-asifs-correct-stand
@django @Zibago @Hell hound @Imad.Khan @Sher Shah Awan
KA was correct to pin the blame on US admins of the past and try to throw them off the scent so to speak, the truth is we needed certain groups to do our bidding in Afghanistan, non of the secular actors were our allies so we had to resort to backing Hekmatyar, Rabbani and co to counter-balance the Afghans who were trying to spread insurgencies in Baluchestan and KPK, this was even prior to the USSR intervention, the Afghans certainly came off worse BTW we did not initiate any of this, it was their blind and irresponsible nationalism that led to their oblivion, today Faisalabad has a larger economy than all of Afghanistan combined.Kudos bro
 
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I despise PMLN but this time KH Asif is right and we should stand with gov on this please put your political biasness aside this has nothing to do with liberalism or conservatism it's about Pakistan.

It's about COAS's recent statement that now the world needs to do more. Watch 'Live with Dr. Shahid Masood' and you will realize that these scoundrels are systematically denigrating Pakistan, selling us out, and in general weakening our position. And it's not just NS. A huge majority of politicians from all parties is involved in this nefarious activity. These are financial terrorists who have no authority to comment 'Pakistan needs to put its own house in order first'. My opposition is not political in nature.
 
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KA was correct to pin the blame on US admins of the past and try to throw them off the scent so to speak, the truth is we needed certain groups to do our bidding in Afghanistan, non of the secular actors were our allies so we had to resort to backing Hekmatyar, Rabbani and co to counter-balance the Afghans who were trying to spread insurgencies in Baluchestan and KPK, this was even prior to the USSR intervention, the Afghans certainly came off worse BTW we did not initiate any of this, it was their blind and irresponsible nationalism that led to their oblivion, today Faisalabad has a larger economy than all of Afghanistan combined.Kudos bro
Bro we've discussed this before still thing is this isn't 80's or 90's anymore neither are we a super power who can have proxies for our ambitions and can easily get away with it and we will see that they will bite us once we abandon them proxy war is an extremely dangerous and risky business in today's world what matters more is a powerful economy, soft image, excellent diplomacy and influential lobby's for a country like Pakistan these proxies are becoming a problem for us and in the future they will just get stronger what's history is history now please let's just leave them and seal our border with Afg and improve relations if they want other wise to hell with them our society has been radicalized enough already.
Dr. Shahid Masood
That's the problem the guy is best conspiracy theorist of Pakistan now he has gone completely insane conjuring up story's out of nowhere he's getting old and needs to rest now. As for KH Asif watch his complete interview with "Asia Society".
 
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Bro we've discussed this before still thing is this isn't 80's or 90's anymore neither are we a super power who can have proxies for our ambitions and can easily get away with it and we will see that they will bite us once we abandon them proxy war is an extremely dangerous and risky business in today's world what matters more is a powerful economy, soft image, excellent diplomacy and influential lobby's for a country like Pakistan these proxies are becoming a problem for us and in the future they will just get stronger what's history is history now please let's just leave them and seal our border with Afg and improve relations if they want other wise to hell with them our society has been radicalized enough already.

That's the problem the guy is best conspiracy theorist of Pakistan now he has gone completely insane conjuring up story's out of nowhere he's getting old and needs to rest now. As for KH Asif watch his complete interview with "Asia Society".

A couple of points.

1. Kh Asif is a cunning man. Too cunning for his own good. His foreign masters know he is expected to say certain things. So both parties agree to include that, but then he undermines everything by adding the following more narrative.

2. That's leads to the second point. Hafiz Saeed is allegedly involved in terrorist activities in India. He has never said anything against America. Thus is pure American malice to blindly back India's stance, yet pay no heed to BLA terrorists sitting in Europe, or to the likes of Jadhav. This is NOT about us maintaining proxies. It is about us demanding fair, equitable, and respectful treatment.

3. Finally, I have found Dr. Shahid Masood's analysis to be very pertinent and his insider info to be largely correct. Even I can see Pakistan is being systematically weakened. If someone chooses to turn a blind eye, they should question their loyalties.
 
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Foreign Minister Khawaja Asif has once again spoken boldly about Pakistan’s need to reflect on flawed security policy choices of the past and urgently put its house in order today.

Predictably, Mr Asif’s remarks have drawn criticism from nationalist quarters more concerned with issues of image and how Pakistan is perceived in India or the US than the threat that militancy poses to the future of this country.

Indeed, the foreign minister’s critique of Pakistan’s embrace of non-state actors decades ago began with a familiar attack against the US for encouraging jihad in the region in the war against the Soviets in Afghanistan. That is undeniably true and too few US policymakers are willing to acknowledge that choices made under the umbrella of the Cold War changed the course of history in this region.

History has shown that the fear of the Soviets seeking access to a warm water port through Afghanistan and Pakistan was overblown, but the Pakistani state controlled by a military dictator found the combination of that fear and US-financed plans to wage war against the Soviets in Afghanistan irresistible.

Nearly four decades since the start of asymmetric warfare in Afghanistan, championing the cause of jihad in the region is a historic wrong that rivals the mistakes that led to the break-up of Pakistan. Certainly, Pakistan has done much to try and correct the errors of the past; the counter-insurgency campaigns and counterterrorism operations of the past decade have won a hard-earned semblance of stability in the country for which the country’s soldiers and civilian security personnel are owed an immeasurable debt of gratitude.

But true peace and meaningful stability cannot be achieved without the total dismantling of all militant and terrorist networks and sustained counter-extremism programmes across the country.

What the foreign minister has claimed ought to be unremarkable and uncontested. Groups such as the Haqqani network and Lashkar-e-Taiba are no allies of this country and their leaders have agendas that are inimical to the rule of law, constitutionality and democracy in Pakistan.

There cannot and should not be space for such groups to operate, either clandestinely or openly, in Pakistan and the state has no business forfeiting the rights and future of the Pakistani people in the pursuit of some self-defeating strategic goals. What can be debated is the right approach to dismantling the remaining militant networks and deradicalising Pakistani society.

Fears of blowback are not unfounded and where peaceful means can be found, they should be thoroughly explored. Perhaps the government should consider widening the incipient debate to include parliament, the provinces and civil society.

A more inclusive, tolerant Pakistan at peace with its neighbours is first and foremost a victory for the Pakistani people themselves. Bad choices stem from narrowly confined deliberations. All of Pakistan should be invited to debate the country’s future.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1360644/khawaja-asifs-correct-stand
@django @Zibago @Hell hound @Imad.Khan @Sher Shah Awan
I believe if things were right, this wouldn't had reached this stage. Anyways I find it really good when we find still some people do recognize the dangers of terrorism. Many people here laugh saying someone making this kind of statement will not survive in Pakistan. Let's pray for your own and our sakes, your people succeed in putting all terrorists in their right place. And I believe India will go more than one step if this is addressed. Thank you.
 
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This is simply a walking talking dawn leaks and a stupid attempt at pressure on Pakistanis.

Khawaja Asif said liberals prefer PmLN.

I can understand.


But this is simply not true whatever he blurted out in that interview.
 
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it actually does not matter what has been said is right or wrong...

Americans have a different agenda here... and its different from what they are saying....
no matter what you say or what you do... they are going to push their own agenda....

they know about kulbushan... how can they not ?? they probably know more then we about him... they know what india is upto... and they want india to continue and Pakistan to stop...

they know where ttp leadership is ... how can they not?? but they don't want to hurt them... they want us to do some stupid things...

they know who ordered APS Peshawar attack... how can they not?? they still chose not to touch them

believe me what ever you do or say trying to be on their good side.... you cannot....


so please please please.... show some teeth here... who said what is completely irrelevant....

if I was in any position of authority... I wud seriously consider arming every pak post on afghan border with shoulder fired missiles and hitting TTP in Afghanistan.... that would take most propaganda value away from any of their adventures .... that is if we strike first
 
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1. Kh Asif is a cunning man.
Than we need such people as foreign minister.
2. That's leads to the second point. Hafiz Saeed is allegedly involved in terrorist activities in India. He has never said anything against America. Thus is pure American malice to blindly back India's stance, yet pay no heed to BLA terrorists sitting in Europe, or to the likes of Jadhav. This is NOT about us maintaining proxies. It is about us demanding fair, equitable, and respectful treatment.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/analysis-here-s-why-pakistan-finally-arrested-hafiz-saeed-n715891

Shehzad Chaudhry, a former Pakistan air force officer and a popular television analyst told NBC News, said that the government was reacting to "a changing environment."

He added: "This arrest is a win-win decision. The Chinese, our best friends, are going to be happy, for we don't have to embarrass them anymore. The Americans will be happy that we've finally heard them out. The Indians will lose a major excuse to complain about us to the rest of the world."

According to Maj. Gen. Asif Ghafoor, the spokesman for Pakistan’s army, the decision was based on a new "national policy and for the national interest."
Even I can see Pakistan is being systematically weakened. If someone chooses to turn a blind eye, they should question their loyalties.
NO it's not being weakened cleaning your home doesn't mean you're weakening it after we're done with these elements at least than we will be in a position to talk about BLA terrorists sitting in Switzerland or kulbushan. Just like now after so many anti terror operations we're in a position to tell the whole world that look you can defeat terrorists aren't we in a position to tell US today that they've failed in Afg? why is this possible because of anti terror operations that we did the battles our forces fought.
they should question their loyalties.
Why it always have to come to this? so if you're not supporting every stupid decision your policy makers are making or have made you're suddenly anti Pakistan? haven't we suffered enough because of these "assets"? do we really want another wave of extremism/terrorism? which is ready because it has already penetrated our educational institutes.
 
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Than we need such people as foreign minister.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/analysis-here-s-why-pakistan-finally-arrested-hafiz-saeed-n715891

Shehzad Chaudhry, a former Pakistan air force officer and a popular television analyst told NBC News, said that the government was reacting to "a changing environment."

He added: "This arrest is a win-win decision. The Chinese, our best friends, are going to be happy, for we don't have to embarrass them anymore. The Americans will be happy that we've finally heard them out. The Indians will lose a major excuse to complain about us to the rest of the world."

According to Maj. Gen. Asif Ghafoor, the spokesman for Pakistan’s army, the decision was based on a new "national policy and for the national interest."

NO it's not being weakened cleaning your home doesn't mean you're weakening it after we're done with these elements at least than we will be in a position to talk about BLA terrorists sitting in Switzerland or kulbushan. Just like now after so many anti terror operations we're in a position to tell the whole world that look you can defeat terrorists aren't we in a position to tell US today that they've failed in Afg? why is this possible because of anti terror operations that we did the battles our forces fought.

Why it always have to come to this? so if you're not supporting every stupid decision your policy makers are making or have made you're suddenly anti Pakistan? haven't we suffered enough because of these "assets"? do we really want another wave of extremism/terrorism? which is ready because it has already penetrated our educational institutes.

Yes, AFTER we clean our home, the sun will shine through our back sides. Because there will be a hole through it.

Let us take a look at history. America always wanted to invade Afghanistan. Mulla Omar is on record saying they will attack whether we hand over OBL or not.

America wanted to attack Iraq. It did. WMDs were a false excuse.

America wanted to attack Libya. Handing over nuclear material was of no help. In the end, America attacked Libya.

There is a certain clique in Pakistan who want to hand over everything to Americans and live under their diktat. They showed themselves clearly in Musharraf's time when there was talk of becoming the 51st state (it was SO never gonna happen). We know who they are. We know their modus operandi is to help foreign interests denigrate Pakistan so that ultimately there is a capitulation. It is their wish and desire because they yearn to live under total American control. If America tells them to eat dog sh*t they will happily eat dog sh*t. Apparently, they get kicks out of this. Don't sing their tune. If you watch Dr. Masood's program, their days are numbered.
 
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Bro we've discussed this before still thing is this isn't 80's or 90's anymore neither are we a super power who can have proxies for our ambitions and can easily get away with it and we will see that they will bite us once we abandon them proxy war is an extremely dangerous and risky business in today's world what matters more is a powerful economy, soft image, excellent diplomacy and influential lobby's for a country like Pakistan these proxies are becoming a problem for us and in the future they will just get stronger what's history is history now please let's just leave them and seal our border with Afg and improve relations if they want other wise to hell with them our society has been radicalized enough already.
Yaar whilst US forces are stationed in Afghanistan, their will always be violence in the region, the question is how do we make the US vacate the region, we can fight the Haqqanis all we want it will not make an iota of difference until the swamp (US presence) that produces these flies is completely drained out, we can take potshots at flies yet whilst the source is their, it will never cease to produce these vermin.
 
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