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one is irrelevant - it is not like Baluchis and Punjabis were ruled by the same king for a long duration

On point 2 hinduism is associated with India.

I cannot speak about Sindh. Bengal was an independent province for a long time. Punjab, Deccan, Rajasthan were never united independent entities. They were either divided or under the rule of outsiders

on the idea of confederation the devil is in the detail. confederation cannot be based on religion. it won't work. Look no further than your experience with East Pakistan.

1 is very relevant because it is this theory that is making saffron terrorists crazy just like we have few ppl who r crazy to think that we should put islamic flag on red fort ( red fort has nothing that is related to islam it is a just a normal fort with historical background it has nothing to do with islam)

yes hinduism is only associated with india because now it has more hindus and india is a recent name given to it by british but actually it was hindustan but read the history and before it many more entities were there and also one must clearly define the boundaries of hindustan and i personally believeafter my research and studies over this issue that UP, Bihar & haryana was once called hindustan and others were independent territories..

Naaa confederation was based on linguistic not religion but nehru and gandhi rejected it as they wanted hindus to b ruling on all of subcontinent
 
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The above statement is a complete fabrication of history of 1971. It was not east that really wanted to separate. It was Yahya Khan and Bhutto who rebelled against the elected majority party, AL, and sent troops to quell the protests. Why do people blame Sk. Mujib and east Pakistan for the consequence of war?

Sk. Mujib genuinely wanted sharing power with that Kizilbash Yahya Khan. Yahya Khan was to continue as President and Sk. Mujib the PM. But, the hard headed leaders/people of west spoiled everything, and are now very conveniently blaming the east as well as India for their own fault.
I can't give rating , but I am giving you a positive rating with my reply.
.Man very very well said ; respect!

Not very sure about yabhiya but surely Bhutto is the real villain who dared to rebell against elected prime Minister by the vote of pakistani citizen .

And yes since mujib was fighting against military regime , so maybe we also can blame yahyah for this anti pakistan conspiracy.
 
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According to page 32 of the following link as of 2008 based on PPP both Dhaka and Karachi had 78 billion USD and as of 2025 the gdp will be 215 billion USD of Dhaka and 193 billion USD for Karachi!!!!

Best of luck!!!
But, Dhaka will remain the nastiest city of Asia even in 3025, and Karachi will become a moderately lively and livable city. GDP figures say many things, but also do not say many other things. Better, BD people do not focus too much on GDP figures.
 
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Bangal, Punjab, Rajasthan, Daccan & Sindh were a proper countries with their own histories so please dont confuse it with a united india stuff ....
In the last 2500 years, Bengal was under Delhi's or any north Indian based empire's control for just 273 years. Under the Delhi sultanate from 1206-1338 AD and Under the Mughal from 1576-1717 AD. In other times, Bengal was independent kingdom or Sultanate. Ancient Pan-Indian Maurya and Gupta empire were originally started from the north western part of current Bangladesh and West Bengal. Their capital was Patliputra, which is just outside of traditional boundary of historic Bengal. They spoke ancient form of Bangla language. So it can not be claimed that, under Maurya and Gupta empire Bengal was under Indian domination. Actually it is the other way around.Same with Pala empire, Pala expanded their empire from Bengal to other north Indian region.It is only after the Islamic conquest of Indian sub continent when the direction of empire expansion reversed.Still out of 700 years of Muslim rules, Bengal was under Delhi's control for less than 300 years.So, Bengal is in every sense a different realm, separated from North Indian or South Indian geo-political sphere.It's language, culture, outlook are vastly different from North and west Indian based Hindustani culture.Just Because, ancient Bengalis were hindu/buddhist or current West Bengal population are majority hindu does not make Bengalis an Indian people.If that was the parameter then current Bali island hindus or Thai, Cambodian buddhist are also Indian as well despite their entirely different ethnicity, language and culture.
 
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In the last 2500 years, Bengal was under Delhi's or any north Indian based empire's control for just 273 years. Under the Delhi sultanate from 1206-1338 AD and Under the Mughal from 1576-1717 AD. In other times, Bengal was independent kingdom or Sultanate. Ancient Pan-Indian Maurya and Gupta empire were originally started from the north western part of current Bangladesh and West Bengal. Their capital was Patliputra, which is just outside of traditional boundary of historic Bengal. So it can not be claimed that, under Maurya and Gupta empire Bengal was under Indian domination.Actually it is the other way around.Same with Pala empire, Pala expanded their empire from Bengal to other north Indian region.It is only after the Islamic conquest of Indian sub continent when the direction of empire expansion reversed.Still out of 700 years of Muslim rules, Bengal was under Delhi's control for less than 300 years.So, Bengal is in every sense a different realm, separated from North Indian or South Indian geo-political sphere.It's language, culture, outlook are vastly different from North and west Indian based Hindustani culture.Just Because, ancient Bengalis were hindu/buddhist or current West Bengal population are majority hindu does not make Bengalis an Indian people.If that was the parameter then current Bali island hindus or Thai, Cambodian buddhist are also Indian as well despite their entirely different ethnicity, language and culture.


I respect that and agree whatever u said above because it is not very much of my interest soo i just say ok i agree and pls inform this to indian members of this site thank u
 
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The average Bengali muslim was opressed n piss poor... opressed by the land owning hindu or the brahmin.
Hindus were certainly not loving the Muslims in Bengal. But, it is not altogether correct that the Muslims were oppressed by the Hindus. You can say, they were neglected. But, then I would say Muslims themselves are responsible for being neglected.

It was not true that the Muslims were a bunch of landless peasants. They were holding land and were mostly the peasants, but not under bondage and were uneducated. The Muslims remained at the lower rung only because they did not start educating their children before the early 20th Century, and by this time Hindus became already highly educated and were holding high positions in the government and in social rank.

So, what do you expect the Hindus to regard the uneducated and superstitious Muslims? However, the oppression is not the correct word, although we use this word to argue for fighting for Pakistan.
 
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Hindus were certainly not loving the Muslims in Bengal. But, it is not altogether correct that the Muslims were oppressed by the Hindus. You can say, they were neglected. But, then I would say Muslims themselves are responsible for being neglected.

It was not true that the Muslims were a bunch of landless peasants. They were holding land and were mostly the peasants, but under bondage and were uneducated. The Muslims remained at the lower rung only because they did not start educating their children before the early 20th Century, and by this time Hindus became already highly educated and were holding high positions in the government and in social rank.

So, what do you expect the Hindus to regard the uneducated and superstitious Muslims? However, the oppression is not the correct word, although we use this word to argue for fighting for Pakistan.
You have a bizarre way of understanding the history.

In the last 2500 years, Bengal was under Delhi's or any north Indian based empire's control for just 273 years. Under the Delhi sultanate from 1206-1338 AD and Under the Mughal from 1576-1717 AD. In other times, Bengal was independent kingdom or Sultanate. Ancient Pan-Indian Maurya and Gupta empire were originally started from the north western part of current Bangladesh and West Bengal. Their capital was Patliputra, which is just outside of traditional boundary of historic Bengal. They spoke ancient form of Bangla language. So it can not be claimed that, under Maurya and Gupta empire Bengal was under Indian domination. Actually it is the other way around.Same with Pala empire, Pala expanded their empire from Bengal to other north Indian region.It is only after the Islamic conquest of Indian sub continent when the direction of empire expansion reversed.Still out of 700 years of Muslim rules, Bengal was under Delhi's control for less than 300 years.So, Bengal is in every sense a different realm, separated from North Indian or South Indian geo-political sphere.It's language, culture, outlook are vastly different from North and west Indian based Hindustani culture.Just Because, ancient Bengalis were hindu/buddhist or current West Bengal population are majority hindu does not make Bengalis an Indian people.If that was the parameter then current Bali island hindus or Thai, Cambodian buddhist are also Indian as well despite their entirely different ethnicity, language and culture.
We should divide the origin of Indian empire as such Eastern empire, Western Empire and Southern Empire. Most of the great empires were from Eastern Empire whose capital were Pataliputra and Gour in various time frame. The Eastern empire consists of current day bengal but were thinly populated. Northern Bengal including Bihar was the main power base of Eastern Empire.
 
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Bang bang desh to us is a small toilet located in backyard of india. All we know is that even random indian street dogs bark at bang bang super power deshis forget about humans dealing with them.

Plus bangdeshis are a nation of pole vaulters who are used for shot in arses by indian bsf. Or may be the chaddi stitchers of the world.

I wonder anyone would care about these unwanted intruders whether they are caught illegally entering thru indian border or are found on a Pakistan forum obsessing over pakistan while telling pakistanis they are obsessed with bang bang deshis. Even dogs have more self respect than these bang bang deshis.
 
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We should divide the origin of Indian empire as such Eastern empire, Western Empire and Southern Empire.
India was a term used historically much like Europe or Africa.A collective term of a region consists of different independent kingdoms, peoples and cultures.In medieval Europe, India was vague term which usually included the entire south east Asia as well. As since 1947, a country named after India emerged, we should no longer use that term to denote all of the sub continent. Otherwise it will reinforce the bogus Indian claim that Bangladesh and Pakistan was part of India before the British partitioned it. And Akhand Bharat dream will not diminish.So better we use the term of 'South Asia.'
Most of the great empires were from Eastern Empire whose capital were Pataliputra and Gour in various time frame.
Currently Gaur is in the border between Bangladesh and West Bengal. Major part of it in Malda district of West Bengal and minor part in Chapainawabganj district in BD. Our choto Sona Masjid and Boro Sona Masjid is part of that city of Gaur. In 16th century, it was one of the biggest city in the world with 1.2 million inhabitants according to Portuguese explorers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauḍa_(city)
The Eastern empire consists of current day bengal but were thinly populated.
Only the eastern part of East Bengal was thinly populated, Sylhet, Comilla, Noakhali, Chittagong region.Central portion Dhaka, Faridpur and Mymensingh region was pretty densely populated. Bikrampur in Dhaka was a famous learning center of the entire sub continent in ancient times. Atish Dipankar was borned in Bikrampur.When Bakhtiar Khilji attacked the capital Nadia, King Laxman Sen escaped to Dhaka and spent rest of his life here ruling the Eastern part of Bengal from Bikrampur.These things indicate a vibrant civilization in the middle part of current BD.
Northern Bengal including Bihar was the main power base of Eastern Empire.
Northern Bengal and eastern part of Bihar which is known as Mithila or Magadh. This region was the nucleus of so many kingdoms and empires in history including Maurya, Gupta and Pala.

Magadhi Prakit language is the precursor of both current Bengali and Maithili language. So Maithili language is the closest with Bengali language now.So you can say that in ancient times, both Bengal and Mithila was one ethno-linguistic region before divergence.
 
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You have a bizarre way of understanding the history.
You guys believe in two specialized things about the Bangali Muslims:
1) The Hindus of Bengal used to enslave the Muslims in bondage during the British time and brutalized and killed them mercilessly. So, the Bengali Muslims went after Pakistan Movement.
2) The west Pakistani people came to east Pakistan and tortured the Bengali Muslims mercilessly for 24 years. So, east Pakistani people started a Bangladesh movement.
 
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You guys believe in two specialized things about the Bangali Muslims:
1) The Hindus of Bengal used to enslave the Muslims in bondage during the British time and brutalized and killed them mercilessly. So, the Bengali Muslims went after Pakistan Movement.
Again bizarre... YOu are completely ignorant.
In 1757 it was the calcutta hindu benyas who welcomed Robert Clive after his historic victory. Later these elite groups of hindus leased almost all the Jamidrai from british after the enactment of Chirostaye Bondobosto. Overnight all the peasants lost ownership of their land. Some of Nababs jagirdars did retain some of the land but overtime their control of the land also diminished.

As the top of the pyramids were controlled by the Hindus, so was the preference for the hindu peasants. The most fertile land was given to the hindus, clerical jobs, tax collector all were distributed to the hindus by the hindu jamindar. Muslim peasants were given only the throwaways. By 1947 20% hindus of E. Bengal used to own 80% of the land.

2) The west Pakistani people came to east Pakistan and tortured the Bengali Muslims mercilessly for 24 years. So, east Pakistani people started a Bangladesh movement.
No comments.... there are plenty of documents which proves that most of the money were spent in West Pakistan and there were no chances that a Bengali political party would had been allowed to rule over West Pakistan. Period.
 
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In 1757 it was the calcutta hindu benyas who welcomed Robert Clive after his historic victory. Later these elite groups of hindus leased almost all the Jamidrai from british after the enactment of Chirostaye Bondobosto.
You probably do not know that the Zaminaries in the Hindu majority western Bengal were awarded to the Muslims during British time. The Muslim majority Eastern Bengal Zamindaries were given to the Hindus. Apart from this basic policy of the British, the other point is the Mughal policy in Bengal was to award Zamindaries mostly to Hindus. So, many Hindus were already Zamindars before the British came.

There were not many Muslim Zamindars even during the Muslim Mughal period. What Hindu Babus and Muslim generals did in 1757 is a different story. And 1757 is not when the Permanent Settlement was introduced. It was 36 years after in 1793. Many Hindu Zamindaries were also taken over by their employee Hindu Nayebs and Mahajan class people etc. during the PS.

Certainly, not all Hindus were Zamindars, but many were educated and were employed in the British govt service. So, in total, their positions were uplifted during British rule. If the normal Hindus were land holder, it was also true that the Muslims were also owned their own land. Muslims were certainly not landless peasants, although we loved to say it as a slogan in the Pakistan Movement. Go to Registry Offices and collect some CS and RS Khatians to know the reality instead of slogans.

I do not follow the Scripts written by Professor K. Ali. He did no research. I do not also follow the Bangla pedia written by some one who write things without giving any reference from the old texts.
 
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According to page 32 of the following link as of 2008 based on PPP both Dhaka and Karachi had 78 billion USD and as of 2025 the gdp will be 215 billion USD of Dhaka and 193 billion USD for Karachi!!!!

Best of luck!!!
Predictions?

Its currently 119.65 billion USD for Karachi!

While its 35-36 billion for Dhaka..

Now your wishes wont change shyt!
 
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1 is very relevant because it is this theory that is making saffron terrorists crazy just like we have few ppl who r crazy to think that we should put islamic flag on red fort ( red fort has nothing that is related to islam it is a just a normal fort with historical background it has nothing to do with islam)

yes hinduism is only associated with india because now it has more hindus and india is a recent name given to it by british but actually it was hindustan but read the history and before it many more entities were there and also one must clearly define the boundaries of hindustan and i personally believeafter my research and studies over this issue that UP, Bihar & haryana was once called hindustan and others were independent territories..

Naaa confederation was based on linguistic not religion but nehru and gandhi rejected it as they wanted hindus to b ruling on all of subcontinent

The BJP crowd wants to build a India based on Hinduism. If the saffron crowd are terrorists so are the founders are Pakistan. As far as planting the Islamic flag on Red Fort that saga ended with Aurangzeb. Harayana was part of Indian Punjab until 1966.

India is the birthplace of Hinduism. If not India where did it come from ??
It is possible some outsiders adopted Hinduism. I won't argue with that.

Why would Jinnah seriously care about linguistic confederation that does nothing for rights of Muslims ?
Jinnah cared about political power nothing else.
 
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