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Kazakh violence makes Chinese Muslim minority ponder future

Kazakhs are animals. Their women like to sleep with foreign men and then they vent their frustration this way by taking revenge on everyone.
There were so many cases during my stay in China so I know their mentality quite well.

While Dungans(Hui Muslims) were the nicest Chinese people I met there. God fearing, polite and always welcoming with a smiling face.
 
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It's not about if those overseas Chinese are Muslims or not, China didn't raise voice when massive scale anti Chinese riot ravaging all across Indonesia in 1990's, hundreds of Chinese were killed, neither did China utter a word when Myamar shelled a Chinese village and killed a couple of Chinese villagers along the border. it's just this non interference foreign policy that China always refuse to cross.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_1998_riots_of_Indonesia

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Rape victim, 18 years old ethnic Chinese girl, raped and killed, over 80 ethnic Chinese women were raped during the riot
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LOL you say many people outside China cannot differentiate between fact and hoax and you are actually in no different with them. Most died during the riots are looters who were inside the shopping malls that are later burn by unidentified people. Allmost all died victim are in burn condition. You can actually see the report on TGPF report on the internet, the investigation were made by independent fact finding that was lead by respected person, Marzuki Darusman, who are also a chairman of UN Rohingya fact finding.

If I cannot see the different between true fact and hoax I can actually believe that China conduct genocide in Xin Jiang, locked 1 million of them in a concentration camp, harvesting their organ, and force their women to sleep and marry Han people.
 
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If I cannot see the different between true fact and hoax I can actually believe that China conduct genocide in Xin Jiang, locked 1 million of them in a concentration camp, harvesting their organ, and force their women to sleep and marry Han people.
Do you?
 
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It's not about if those overseas Chinese are Muslims or not, China didn't raise voice when massive scale anti Chinese riot ravaging all across Indonesia in 1990's, hundreds of Chinese were killed
In late 90's, Indonesia fell into a multidimensional crisis which suffered not only a certain race but also the whole nation. Thousands of Dayaknese, Maduranese, Ambonese and those in Sulawesi island were slaughtered and raped because of the absent of power at that time. We didn't have a running government to ensure the safety of our people because of the magnitude of the crises.

Why did you single out Chinese as the only victim? Your statement hurts many Chinese Indonesians who are well known to be the most patriotic chinese descent in the region of Southeast Asia.
 
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In late 90's, Indonesia fell into a multidimensional crisis which suffered not only a certain race but also the whole nation. Thousands of Dayaknese, Maduranese, Ambonese and those in Sulawesi island were slaughtered and raped because of the absent of power at that time. We didn't have a running government to ensure the safety of our people because of the magnitude of the crises.

Why did you single out Chinese as the only victim? Your statement hurts many Chinese Indonesians who are well known to be the most patriotic chinese descent in the region of Southeast Asia.
Someone said in this thread that China didn't say or do anything about torturing and killing of ethnic Chinese in Kazakhstan because they are Muslims, I just tell him that's not true, the Chinese government also didn't say or do anything about what happened in Indonesia and Myammar and the Chinese in those countries are not Muslims. The Chinese government never bases their foreign policies on religions.
 
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Someone said in this thread that China didn't say or doing anything about torturing and killing of ethnic Chinese in Kazakhstan is because they are Muslims, I just tell him that's not true, the Chinese government also didn't say or do anything about what happened in Indonesia and Myammar and the Chinese in those countries are not Muslims. The Chinese government never bases their foreign policies on religions.
Which is a correct move taken by your government.
 
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Of course I use my rational, I dont believe with such thing but I believe the vocational training is also the place for brain washing and Uigyur put there cannot pray and dont know for sure whether the food served there is halal or not.

The number of Uigyur on the camp of course never will reach 1 million, I believe much less than that number. I also believe there is surveilance and monitoring on the Uigyur community that violate their privacy but never believe with genocide, forcing their women to sleep and marry with Han, and harvesting their organ.
 
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It was confirmed that this riot was spreaded and fanned by social media, that's why social media should be regulated and controlled, otherwise it can turn very deadly sometimes.
 
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Violence agaisnt Chinese are OK and the world doesn't even know it happens all the time, cause the persecuted are the evil Chinese.

If those footages were from Xinjiang, I gurantee it would be the headline news in western media for years and everyone in the world gets to know it
 
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Kazakh violence makes Chinese Muslim minority ponder future
15 FEB 2020 / 16:09 H.
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Khusei Daurov, head of the Dungan association, attends an interview with AFP in the settlement of Sortobe - in southern Kazakhstan's Jambyl region by the border with Kyrgyzstan - on Feb 12.

MASANCHI: As Khusei Daurov lay dazed after being caught up in inter-ethnic clashes near his home in southern Kazakhstan, he felt the cold steel of a pistol against his forehead.

Violence had broken out among local Kazakhs and a group of ethnic Chinese Muslims called Dungans, who number more than 150,000 across Central Asia.

Daurov, a Dungan community leader, was trying to calm tensions when a Kazakh man put the gun to his head. Another Kazakh intervened, convincing the man to let Daurov go.

His eyes glazed with tears as he recalled the incident a few days later, a sling supporting an arm that was broken in the assault.

But Daurov was still reluctant to condemn his Muslim Kazakh “brothers” for the violence.

“It wasn’t Kazakhs who did this to our people,“ he said. “These people were bandits and extremists.”

The February 7 rampage, which resulted in 11 deaths, saw hundreds of ethnic Kazakh assailants descend on the Dungan village of Masanchi, setting fire to homes, shops and livestock.

In the worst such violence in nearly three decades of independence, at least nine of the dead were Dungans, while one was a Kazakh, officials said. One body has not yet been identified.

The bloody clashes have highlighted underlying tensions in a region where many ethnic groups live side by side, and have left many in the Dungan community wondering what their future holds.

From China in fear

Life in Central Asia for the Dungans has proven quiet compared to the brutal repressions they fled in imperial China in the 19th century.

Straddling the border between Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, the people who claim Chinese and Arab heritage mostly work in agriculture or run small businesses.

The Mandarin dialect that Dungans speak, which is infused with Farsi and Arabic loanwords, sets them apart in a region where Turkic tongues dominate.

Yet this has not prevented Dungans forming close bonds with other groups in ex-Soviet Central Asia, even if intermarriage is the exception rather than the rule.

For Batyrbek Toreyev, a civil servant who lives in the majority-Kazakh village of Karakemer, the sudden raid of nearby Masanchi was “unthinkable”.

“Our families are friends with their families. We stop by each others’ houses. What happened has happened now. We need to get on with our lives,“ he said, carrying a shopping bag with two bricks of white bread.

Many Dungans of Central Asia have family ties to China, especially western China, where they are known as Hui.

Beijing has targeted the group of some 10 million as part of a crackdown on Muslims that has also swept up Turkic groups like Uighurs, Kazakhs and Kyrgyz in the western Xinjiang region.

Some Kyrgyz and Kazakhs argue that Dungans have leveraged their linguistic and cultural heritage to benefit unfairly from trade with China, which floods the region with imports.

In 2013, dozens of ethnic Dungan truckers were reportedly beaten by Kyrgyz drivers at a border crossing with China where truckers compete for cargo bound for the country’s bazaars.

Earlier, Kyrgyz and Dungans were involved in a village conflict that saw Dungan homes burned and some families flee to Kazakhstan to join relatives there.

But after the most recent clashes, it was Kyrgyzstan that became a safety net for thousands of mainly women and children seeking refuge from the fighting.

Daurov said that all ethnic groups in Kyrgyzstan were due “enormous thanks” for providing food, aid and shelter to his fleeing compatriots, many of whom have since returned home.

Charred buildings

In Masanchi, where charred buildings have marred a once-tidy central strip, Kazakh state officials have set about restoring a sense of normality.

Oil-rich Kazakhstan’s authoritarian leadership prides itself on guaranteeing inter-ethnic harmony in a country where the foreign ministry says “over 100 ethnic groups are living in peace.”

At one of several mosques, Dungan elders sat down for steaming bowls of rice and mutton pilau with Kazakh police, whose heavy presence in the village was a welcome reassurance, residents said.

Elsewhere, a team employed by the regional administration was removing burned debris from the shell of what used to be Masanchi’s largest supermarket.

But even among these workers, there were signs of resentment towards the minority.

“The Dungans beat up one of our old men,“ said one man, Ermek Saparov, who called the conflict a “misunderstanding”.

Saparov said that the altercation two days before the February 7 clashes had prompted calls across online messengers for attacks against Dungan communities.

His co-worker Ulan Ashirbek admitted he was tempted to respond to the calls but was busy at work.

“You see, this was a Dungan shop, but it is Kazakhs who are doing all the clearing up,“ Ashirbek complained.

Both Kazakhs and Dungans agree that the conflict, which drew in Kazakhs living hundreds of kilometres away, would not have erupted without online messengers that allowed information — and disinformation — to spread rapidly through communities.

‘He was a patriot’

One complaint about Dungans that circulated on messaging services — seen by AFP — was that the group disrespects the Kazakh language by instead speaking their own or Russian, whose use is controversial throughout ex-Soviet republics.

But Malik Yasyrov, a Dungan man who died from a gunshot wound in the Masanchi attacks, was a Kazakh language teacher at a nearby middle school.

“He was a patriot. He went to Masanchi to defend his fellow citizens,“ his mother Aishe Gadir said at a feast held for the neighbours and relatives who helped bury the 24-year-old.

Yasyrov had kept in touch with his mother throughout the night, narrating scenes of murder and pillaging.

As he described homes and cars ablaze, he begged her to take his two children to Kyrgyzstan.

After 1:00am, his phone went dead. Later that morning, Gadir learned her son had been killed.

“We have been here, on this land, for 150 years. Why did Allah punish us in this way?” she asked. “How do we move on?” — AFP

https://www.thesundaily.my/world/ka...inese-muslim-minority-ponder-future-FX2011337

They deserve it.
 
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Non interference is the right policy, there are many ethnic Chinese all over the world, if China were to start lashing out at every country that has some one with an old ethnic connection to China getting killed then China will end up with quite alot of enemies.

However the life of citizens of the PRC should be a red line and obviously non interference should not apply to countries that abuse PRC citizens (eg: Canada).

They deserve it.
Why?
 
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Non interference is the right policy, there are many ethnic Chinese all over the world, if China were to start lashing out at every country that has some one with an old ethnic connection to China getting killed then China will end up with quite alot of enemies.

However the life of citizens of the PRC should be a red line and obviously non interference should not apply to countries that abuse PRC citizens (eg: Canada).


Why?

They killed 10 million of Chinese then fled China. That's 陕甘回乱.
 
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