Kazakh Khanate and the enslave of Russians

[sahaliyan]

Thank God, sedentary tribes defeated nomadic ones.

Russian conquest of Kazakhstan is nothing can be proud of,the Kazakhs are peace-loving people

who is @sahaliyan = you have no country flag

I'm an ethnic Manchu from China,my clan(hala) is tatara,my mukvn is Jakumu

 

[Charon 2]

This topic is nothing to be proud of really,sad episode in human history.

Slavery always played a big role in the Central Asian steppes. The thing is that the tribes fight against each other and enslaved themselves also each other. And not only nomadic peoples enslaved sedentary ones. The Persian Samanids as example enslaved Karluk Turks at first (ancestors of Uzbeks and Ugyhurs)

 

[Timur]

Myn Bala

as said some time ago I like the way kazakhs make films they are more serious than our ones.. everyatime I watch a turkish movie I have to think about inek shaban.. but not so funny as inek shaban.. the only serious good film I know wich is turkish is Mussallat 1

hey in your "chinese " youtube clone like site..I cannot search for more videos.. I need this one only in kazakh:

I just have this bad one witch russian dublaj.. at the backround kazakh language..

its KEK (Ravange ) can you search it for me?

 

[vostok]

Russian conquest of Kazakhstan is nothing can be proud of,the Kazakhs are peace-loving people

However, from steppes to Russia come 1000 times more grief than from Russia to steppe. Kazakhs, by the way, very good relates to Russian and extremely proud of the Soviet past. It was Kazakhstan initiated the creation of Eurasian Union.

 

[sahaliyan]

as said some time ago I like the way kazakhs make films they are more serious than our ones.. everyatime I watch a turkish movie I have to think about inek shaban.. but not so funny as inek shaban.. the only serious good film I know wich is turkish is Mussallat 1

hey in your "chinese " youtube clone like site..I cannot search for more videos.. I need this one only in kazakh:

I just have this bad one witch russian dublaj.. at the backround kazakh language..

its KEK (Ravange ) can you search it for me?

Youtube is blocked in China,I can't watch youtube

 

[Timur]

Youtube is blocked in China,I can't watch youtube

its ok I'll stop the off topic

 

[sahaliyan]

However, from steppes to Russia come 1000 times more grief than from Russia to steppe. Kazakhs, by the way, very good relates to Russian and extremely proud of the Soviet past. It was Kazakhstan initiated the creation of Eurasian Union.

In 1920s and 1930s,the Kazakhs lost large number of population,they also remember this,most Albans of China were the refugees that time
The Kazakhs remember both good and bad things of soviet era

 

[vostok]

In 1920s and 1930s,the Kazakhs lost large number of population,they also remember this,most Albans of China were the refugees that time
The Kazakhs remember both good and bad things of soviet era

Russians lost 10-15% (may be even more) of the population in the 20-ies. It was such a bad time. By the way, almost all Kazakh tribes took Russian allegiance voluntarily seeking protection from neighbors from the south and east.

 

[sahaliyan]

Russians lost 10-15% (may be even more) of the population in the 20-ies. It was such a bad time. By the way, almost all Kazakh tribes took Russian allegiance voluntarily seeking protection from neighbors from the south and east.

Nope,Ablay and his descendants didn't want Russian rule.The Abulhaire Khan of little juz joined the Russia because of Zhungar threat,but after the Zhungar destroyed,the threat from east disappeared,The Kokands of south are threat to Kazakhs,but mainly the great juz
While the middle juz has no threat from east and south,they were conquered by Russians

 

[vostok]

Nope,Ablay and his descendants didn't want Russian rule.The Abulhaire Khan of little juz joined the Russia because of Zhungar threat,but after the Zhungar destroyed,the threat from east disappeared,The Kokands of south are threat to Kazakhs,but mainly the great juz
While the middle juz has no threat from east and south,they were conquered by Russians

Back in 1717 some leaders of the Kazakhs, given the real threat from external enemies, turned to Peter I with a request for citizenship. The emperor at the time decided not to intervene in "Kazakh affairs." Later along the Kazakh lands was established line of military fortifications, which subsequently became the cities: Omsk (1716), Semipalatinsk (1718), Ust-Kamenogorsk (1720), Orsk (1735). Traditionally, for the protection of the newly organized boundary line drawn Cossacks organized Siberian Cossacks.
At the beginning of the XVIII century, the Kazakh Khanate was a politically fragmented country. Kazakh tribes were merged into three education - zhuzes: Senior, Intermediate and Junior.
To the east, menace is Dzungar Khanate. From the South Kazakh Khanate of Khiva and Bukhara threatened. Heavy political situation inside the Khanate and the continuing internal conflicts, considerably weakened the Kazakh Khanate. In 1723 Jungar tribes once again attacked the loose and scattered Kazakh zhuzes. This year has gone down in history of the Kazakhs as "the great tribulation."
In 1730, the Little Horde Khan Abul Khair called on the Russian government to the military alliance. It was rejected and instead invited to patronage (protectorate) Russia. February 19, 1731 Empress Anna signed the instrument of voluntary joining the Little Horde in the Russian Empire. October 10, 1731 and most of the elders Abulhair Little Horde entered into an agreement and took the oath on the inviolability of the contract.
Although in those days Average Horde, which was headed by Abulmambet was much less connected with Russia, and Senior Juz was ruled Jungars and Kokand Khan, Khan Abulhair separate agreement marked the beginning of a constantly increasing Russia's influence on the life of Kazakhs. In 1740 Middle Horde came under the patronage (protectorate). In 1741-1742 Jungar forces again invaded the Middle and Junior zhuzes, but the intervention of Russian border authorities forced them to retreat. Ablay was captured by dzhungar, but a year later was released under the mediation of the Orenburg governor II Neplueff and Abulmambet (prisoner Abylaja instead he sent his son Abul Feyziyev). Abylay in those days was just beginning his political career. Abulmambet repeatedly offered ABYLAI become instead Khan. Abylay but refused, saying that Khan will be after him (Abulmambet) death. As a result of the weakening power of the Kazakh khans and the remoteness of new regions of Russia, part of the lands of the Middle Horde, formally passed under the protection of Russia, as well as land Senior Juz in the late XVIII fell under the rule of the Kokand khans.
In 1787 part of the Kazakh tribes Little Horde, which is closely Khivans, were allowed to roam the Urals and the Volga. This decision formalized its Emperor Paul I in 1801, when the 7500 Kazakh families was formed allegiance Bukeyev (Internal) Horde led by Sultan Boquete.
In 1818, several genera Senior Juz announced the introduction under the protection of Russia. Over the next 30 years, where under pressure, where most births voluntarily Senior Juz announced the adoption of Russian citizenship [4] [5]. In 1822, Tsar Alexander I issued a decree on the introduction of the developed MM Sperdnski "Charter on the Siberian Kirghiz", which eliminated khan power in Kazakh zhuzah (except Bukeyev hordes where Khanate was abolished by Nicholas I in 1845). Despite this, Russia has long ruled Kazakh zhuzami through the College of Foreign Affairs, representatives of the Kazakh zhuzes arriving in Russia, was called Ambassadors.
Google translate Wikipedia
Среднеазиатские владения Российской империи — Википедия
You may find it strange, but many nations joined the Russian Empire voluntarily. Moreover, they waited for decades until the Czar agrees to take them into the Empire.

 

[sahaliyan]

Back in 1717 some leaders of the Kazakhs, given the real threat from external enemies, turned to Peter I with a request for citizenship. The emperor at the time decided not to intervene in "Kazakh affairs." Later along the Kazakh lands was established line of military fortifications, which subsequently became the cities: Omsk (1716), Semipalatinsk (1718), Ust-Kamenogorsk (1720), Orsk (1735). Traditionally, for the protection of the newly organized boundary line drawn Cossacks organized Siberian Cossacks.
At the beginning of the XVIII century, the Kazakh Khanate was a politically fragmented country. Kazakh tribes were merged into three education - zhuzes: Senior, Intermediate and Junior.
To the east, menace is Dzungar Khanate. From the South Kazakh Khanate of Khiva and Bukhara threatened. Heavy political situation inside the Khanate and the continuing internal conflicts, considerably weakened the Kazakh Khanate. In 1723 Jungar tribes once again attacked the loose and scattered Kazakh zhuzes. This year has gone down in history of the Kazakhs as "the great tribulation."
In 1730, the Little Horde Khan Abul Khair called on the Russian government to the military alliance. It was rejected and instead invited to patronage (protectorate) Russia. February 19, 1731 Empress Anna signed the instrument of voluntary joining the Little Horde in the Russian Empire. October 10, 1731 and most of the elders Abulhair Little Horde entered into an agreement and took the oath on the inviolability of the contract.
Although in those days Average Horde, which was headed by Abulmambet was much less connected with Russia, and Senior Juz was ruled Jungars and Kokand Khan, Khan Abulhair separate agreement marked the beginning of a constantly increasing Russia's influence on the life of Kazakhs. In 1740 Middle Horde came under the patronage (protectorate). In 1741-1742 Jungar forces again invaded the Middle and Junior zhuzes, but the intervention of Russian border authorities forced them to retreat. Ablay was captured by dzhungar, but a year later was released under the mediation of the Orenburg governor II Neplueff and Abulmambet (prisoner Abylaja instead he sent his son Abul Feyziyev). Abylay in those days was just beginning his political career. Abulmambet repeatedly offered ABYLAI become instead Khan. Abylay but refused, saying that Khan will be after him (Abulmambet) death. As a result of the weakening power of the Kazakh khans and the remoteness of new regions of Russia, part of the lands of the Middle Horde, formally passed under the protection of Russia, as well as land Senior Juz in the late XVIII fell under the rule of the Kokand khans.
In 1787 part of the Kazakh tribes Little Horde, which is closely Khivans, were allowed to roam the Urals and the Volga. This decision formalized its Emperor Paul I in 1801, when the 7500 Kazakh families was formed allegiance Bukeyev (Internal) Horde led by Sultan Boquete.
In 1818, several genera Senior Juz announced the introduction under the protection of Russia. Over the next 30 years, where under pressure, where most births voluntarily Senior Juz announced the adoption of Russian citizenship [4] [5]. In 1822, Tsar Alexander I issued a decree on the introduction of the developed MM Sperdnski "Charter on the Siberian Kirghiz", which eliminated khan power in Kazakh zhuzah (except Bukeyev hordes where Khanate was abolished by Nicholas I in 1845). Despite this, Russia has long ruled Kazakh zhuzami through the College of Foreign Affairs, representatives of the Kazakh zhuzes arriving in Russia, was called Ambassadors.
Google translate Wikipedia
Среднеазиатские владения Российской империи — Википедия
You may find it strange, but many nations joined the Russian Empire voluntarily. Moreover, they waited for decades until the Czar agrees to take them into the Empire.

I already said to you,the Abulhair Khan of little juz joined Russia because of Zhungar threat
But what about the middle Juz?The middle juz was always the center and strongest of Kazakhs,also the Chinese Kazakhs mainly from the middle juz(the Kereys and Naimans),they fled from Kazakhstan to China to escape the Russian rule
Then the Kenesari Khan led the Kazakhs against Russians and died for that

 

[vostok]

I already said to you,the Abulhair Khan of little juz joined Russia because of Zhungar threat
But what about the middle Juz?The middle juz was always the center and strongest of Kazakhs,also the Chinese Kazakhs mainly from the middle juz(the Kereys and Naimans),they fled from Kazakhstan to China to escape the Russian rule
Then the Kenesari Khan led the Kazakhs against Russians and died for that

Empire - it's not the neighboring Khan, with whom you can bargain. If you once swore allegiance to the Empire and took her defense, then you can not just say, "That is all, no protection needed any more, thank you."
I say again - most of the Kazakh tribes took allegiance voluntarily. What dissatisfied were there - this is normal. There is always dissatisfied. In any country in any period of time.

 

[sahaliyan]

Empire - it's not the neighboring Khan, with whom you can bargain. If you once swore allegiance to the Empire and took her defense, then you can not just say, "That is all, no protection needed any more, thank you."
I say again - most of the Kazakh tribes took allegiance voluntarily. What dissatisfied were there - this is normal. There is always dissatisfied. In any country in any period of time.

The Abulhaire Khan was the ruler of little juz,he was not the ruler of middle and great juz

 

[Aepsilons]

Russian conquest of Kazakhstan is nothing can be proud of,the Kazakhs are peace-loving people

But the Kazakhs are independent , and so is Kazakhstan.

"Iyi" which means "good" in Turkish also means "good" in Japanese. :d

To me, there seems to be a clear link between Turkic, and Japonic. There seems to be a correspondence between Turkic initial d-, and Japonic initial y-, such as in Turkish dört vs. Japanese yo(n), both meaning four, and in Turkish dağ vs. Japanese yama, both meaning mountain. In my humble opinion, the proto-sound could have been ɟ, which then later evolved into d in Turkic, and into y (phnetically j) in Japonic.

"Iyi" which means "good" in Turkish also means "good" in Japanese. :d

I do feel like Japanese and Turkish are similar, because the logic of the syntax of both languages seem really close to each other.

Jp: Kyoto-no
Tr: Kyoto'nun
En: of Kyoto

Jp: Kuruma-de
Tr: Araba-da
En: by car

Jp: Kutu-o
Tr: Pabuç-u
En: the shoes

Jp: Nan-desu ka
Tr: Ne-dir ki?
En: What is it?

Jp: imasu
Tr: imiş
En: there is

Jp: hanashimashita
Tr: konuşmuştu
En: he had talked

Jp: itta
Tr: gitti
En: he's gone

and so on and so forth. In my opinion there is a faint link somewhere in the history of these languages.

 

[vostok]

The Abulhaire Khan was the ruler of little juz,he was not the ruler of middle and great juz

August 28, 1740 Abilmambet Khan and Sultan Abylay together with 120 sultans and heads of prominent Kazakh tribes arrived in Orenburg and signed an agreement on the patronage of the Russian Empire on the Middle Zhuz.
Senior Juz tribes voluntarily joined Russia in the 30-60 years of the 19th century.