Katz: 'Assault in Iran is an option, Israel and Saudi Arabia have a common interest'

[zartosht]

How on Earth stating history makes me terrorist?

that delusional idiot thinks anybody religious or pro government is a terrorist in his book.

when I was young naïve and stupid I had the exact same beliefs as him.

all my problems was because of the government. I hated the religious restrictions and believed it to be foreign to Iranian culture. and desperatly wanted Iran to return to either a monarchy or western style "democracy"

Then I grew up, Became familiar with how geopolitics work. And came to the realization that this is the most Iranian /independent government we have had since the 1st Qajar.

Pahlavi imitated the great kings of Iranian history like cyrus with crowns and ceremonies while being a vassal of another state.

The Islamic republic replicates the great kings of Iranian history by actually following their tactics. Bowing to no man/country and working tirelessly to rid Iran of foreign interference and create a strong independent state.

Koroush said even if the sky comes to my knees I will not bow, for I am the king of the world. Iranian government follows that model a lot more then vassal Pahlavi.

 

[Sina-1]

that delusional idiot thinks anybody religious or pro government is a terrorist in his book.

when I was young naïve and stupid I had the exact same beliefs as him.

all my problems was because of the government. I hated the religious restrictions and believed it to be foreign to Iranian culture. and desperatly wanted Iran to return to either a monarchy or western style "democracy"

Then I grew up, Became familiar with how geopolitics work. And came to the realization that this is the most Iranian /independent government we have had since the 1st Qajar.

Pahlavi imitated the great kings of Iranian history like cyrus with crowns and ceremonies while being a vassal of another state.

The Islamic republic replicates the great kings of Iranian history by actually following their tactics. Bowing to no man/country and working tirelessly to rid Iran of foreign interference and create a strong independent state.

Koroush said even if the sky comes to my knees I will not bow, for I am the king of the world. Iranian government follows that model a lot more then vassal Pahlavi.

Hear hear brother! I did the same journey!

There's no division in Iraq on the population level. It's the political system that functions on a sect-based quota hence enabling division.

What part is hard for you to understand when I state that Iran's political interference in Iraq is a negative, if you disagree with me what will you say to those protesting out there all these months. I'm explaining something to you here so that you understand, you're not in the position to disagree when people in Iraq are protesting the same thing. Unless.. you happen to know better than them, in that case maybe I should start explaining Iran to you since I know better.

There is a strong sense of unity, if there wasn't the country would've fallen apart long ago. However Kurds definitely are not a part of us, they're different people and we all accept that.

Ok so there is unity except with the Kurds. And how would you integrate that part of the country without unity?

 

[Saddam Hussein]

Ok so there is unity except with the Kurds. And how would you integrate that part of the country without unity?

No integration with the Kurds!

They can go away, actually if they fuk off that would save us billions of dollars. They can enjoy their landlocked Arbil being fully dependant on either Turkey, Iraq or Iran. We pumped too much money into the Kurdish atheist animals, they betrayed Islam on top of all that for a landlocked shithole that would crumble if the oil line from Basra is shut off.

 

[925boy]

Iraq cannot be stable and secure with the current heavy Iranian interference.

But Iran only "interfered heavily" after US invaded Iraq in 2003, but Iraq has been unstable all before that so its not true that Iran makes Iraq unstable- Iraq makes Iraq unstable because Iraq has been unstable while Iran didnt interfere. Iraq's political incompetence combined with its internal religious beefs is what made Iraq unstable. No one can take advantage of a country like Iraq unless IRaq opens up opportunities for that to happen.

And we wouldn't need Iranian aid had the government been free from Iranian interference.

False. Iraq's internal political and religious divisions are the main cause, Iran just took advantage of them.

These arguments do not change or diminish the issues I stated, it's like the US saying how they sent their air force and helped us against IS. Whilst look at what they did in the decades prior.

yes it does, because the foundational reason(s) arent what you think they are for why Iraq is in the mess it is in today.

But then again, if your bastard Saddam wasnt so bad to Iran, Iran might just leave Iraq "alone" today. Karma is a biatch.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

But Iran only "interfered heavily" after US invaded Iraq in 2003, but Iraq has been unstable all before that so its not true that Iran makes Iraq unstable- Iraq makes Iraq unstable because Iraq has been unstable while Iran didnt interfere. Iraq's political incompetence combined with its internal religious beefs is what made Iraq unstable. No one can take advantage of a country like Iraq unless IRaq opens up opportunities for that to happen.



False. Iraq's internal political and religious divisions are the main cause, Iran just took advantage of them.


yes it does, because the foundational reason(s) arent what you think they are for why Iraq is in the mess it is in today.

But then again, if your bastard Saddam wasnt so bad to Iran, Iran might just leave Iraq "alone" today. Karma is a biatch.

Pre 1979, none in the region cared about this Sunni-Shia thing you are referring to here. There is no religious division, it's the image that was portrayed to you foreigners that there is a big division which is far from true.

I'm not sure what brought a Nigerian to this topic to start with, do me a favor and stick to your region.

 

[Sina-1]

No integration with the Kurds!

They can go away, actually if they fuk off that would save us billions of dollars. They can enjoy their landlocked Arbil being fully dependant on either Turkey, Iraq or Iran. We pumped too much money into the Kurdish atheist animals, they betrayed Islam on top of all that for a landlocked shithole that would crumble if the oil line from Basra is shut off.

I still don’t agree with your assessment on Iran. However I agree with the above. You have better chance of a strong Iraq without the Kurds.

 

[925boy]

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Pre 1979, none in the region cared about this Sunni-Shia thing you are referring to here. There is no religious division, it's the image that was portrayed to you foreigners that there is a big division which is far from true.

I'm not sure what brought a Nigerian to this topic to start with, do me a favor and stick to your region.

If there is no division then why did Iraqi sunnis support ISIS as retaliation for IRaqi shia gaining back their rightful political power after Saddam was killed???

You keep saying there is no religious division in Iraq, but Bob Bear in his book "THe devil we know: dealing with the new Iranian superpower" he explained that only saddam was able to keep Iraq's warring factions together under the butt of the gun. Thats why US's invasion was the worst thing for Iraq because it undid that glue, and thats what we see today.

I will do you a favor and stick to this topic so we can better educate you as to why your country is a mess. What i find common on this forum is that some people from messy countries prefer to blame some other country for their mess instead of taking ownership of their destiny and situation. good luck to Iraq. ALl the foreign powers interfering in Iraq, especially IRAN SAUDI A and US all do so effectively because of Iraq's internal divisions and poor governance.

Before you blame Iran for interference, remember that ISIS would be ruling Iraq from Baghdad today if not for Iran. US wouldnt have done anything about it too.

We pumped too much money into the Kurdish atheist animals,

BUt wasnt that a deal agreed to between Iraqi central govt and Kurdish govt? it seems you're resentful because Kurds used their oil money to develop Kurdistan while Iraq used it to fight wars??

they betrayed Islam on top of all that for a landlocked shithole

How? arent they Sunni muslims? I am curious to understand technically why they are "traitors" to Islam aka infidels in your eyes.

that would crumble if the oil line from Basra is shut off.

False. they will ship their oil via TUrkey, as they are currently doing. If that doesnt work, Iran will transport their oil for them. Yes they are landlocked, but they are far from being shut off by neighboring states. that will happen if they declare independence though.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

If there is no division then why did Iraqi sunnis support ISIS as retaliation for IRaqi shia gaining back their rightful political power after Saddam was killed???

You keep saying there is no religious division in Iraq, but Bob Bear in his book "THe devil we know: dealing with the new Iranian superpower" he explained that only saddam was able to keep Iraq's warring factions together under the butt of the gun. Thats why US's invasion was the worst thing for Iraq because it undid that glue, and thats what we see today.

I will do you a favor and stick to this topic so we can better educate you as to why your country is a mess. What i find common on this forum is that some people from messy countries prefer to blame some other country for their mess instead of taking ownership of their destiny and situation. good luck to Iraq. ALl the foreign powers interfering in Iraq, especially IRAN SAUDI A and US all do so effectively because of Iraq's internal divisions and poor governance.

Before you blame Iran for interference, remember that ISIS would be ruling Iraq from Baghdad today if not for Iran. US wouldnt have done anything about it too.


BUt wasnt that a deal agreed to between Iraqi central govt and Kurdish govt? it seems you're resentful because Kurds used their oil money to develop Kurdistan while Iraq used it to fight wars??


How? arent they Sunni muslims? I am curious to understand technically why they are "traitors" to Islam aka infidels in your eyes.

False. they will ship their oil via TUrkey, as they are currently doing. If that doesnt work, Iran will transport their oil for them. Yes they are landlocked, but they are far from being shut off by neighboring states. that will happen if they declare independence though.

you do not need to argue with me, you can dismiss all that I write. Look at the news in Iraq and you will see the opinion of the millions of people out there. That's all that matters, what a foreigner think is irrelevant.

 

[Sina-1]

you do not need to argue with me, you can dismiss all that I write. Look at the news in Iraq and you will see the opinion of the millions of people out there. That's all that matters, what a foreigner think is irrelevant.

Be that as it may, you have interfering parties in Iraq because you have a power vacuum. The very definition of vacuum is that it must be filled. If not by US, then by ISIS. If not by ISIS then by Iran. If not by Iran then by Turkey. Your problems will not be solved just by US, ISIS or Iran leaves because another party will quickly come and fill that space.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

Be that as it may, you have interfering parties in Iraq because you have a power vacuum. The very definition of vacuum is that it must be filled. If not by US, then by ISIS. If not by ISIS then by Iran. If not by Iran then by Turkey. Your problems will not be solved just by US, ISIS or Iran leaves because another party will quickly come and fill that space.

Hence I am stating a light version of nationalism here, where your interference including everyone else's is hostile. Hence you see the protests anger at Iran, an external entity, that is interfering heavily. Because there is no vacuum, there is interference on the political level and that is to be countered by nationalist means.

If Iran leaves Iraq, Turkey would fill the economic vacuum but they have no ability to enter the Iraqi political sphere, as they tried but failed several times. If Iran leaves Iraq's political scene then that will benefit Iraq in every way. Although the issue is not leaving, because they do not leave voluntarily of course. The issue is the population, especially the Shia youth in the south whom are the largest part of Iraq's demography and the fastest growing now hates Iran's interference together with the parties in Iraq that stand on the same line.

You present it all too much in the shape of aiding us/me, as if we need that. It's not aid, it's interference for your national gain on the cost of others. Once again, do not listen to me, look at the streets.

 

[Sina-1]

Because there is no vacuum, there is interference on the political level and that is to be countered by nationalist means.

If no vacuum then there cannot be interference. Vacuum is the premise of a successful interference.

If Iran leaves Iraq, Turkey would fill the economic vacuum but they have no ability to enter the Iraqi political sphere, as they tried but failed several times.

They or others can interfere in many ways. Economy and corruption to name a few.

You present it all too much in the shape of aiding us/me, as if we need that. It's not aid, it's interference for your national gain on the cost of others.

Look man. Reality is that you were getting your asses handed to you by daesh. IRGC stepped in and changed the tides. Call it whatever you want!

Once again, do not listen to me, look at the streets.

I don't give a 2 cents about mob mentality wether they are in the streets of Iran, Iraq or France.

 

[925boy]

Hence I am stating a light version of nationalism here, where your interference including everyone else's is hostile. Hence you see the protests anger at Iran, an external entity, that is interfering heavily. Because there is no vacuum, there is interference on the political level and that is to be countered by nationalist means.

If Iran leaves Iraq, Turkey would fill the economic vacuum but they have no ability to enter the Iraqi political sphere, as they tried but failed several times. If Iran leaves Iraq's political scene then that will benefit Iraq in every way. Although the issue is not leaving, because they do not leave voluntarily of course. The issue is the population, especially the Shia youth in the south whom are the largest part of Iraq's demography and the fastest growing now hates Iran's interference together with the parties in Iraq that stand on the same line.

You present it all too much in the shape of aiding us/me, as if we need that. It's not aid, it's interference for your national gain on the cost of others. Once again, do not listen to me, look at the streets.

"Only a slave waits to be freed"

 

[Rukarl]

Yes the so called shah was idiot he should done what khomieni thugs done later. He wasn’t though like his father or ataturk, Saddam, Hafez al Assad , Nasser, etc.

When Saddam suggested to crush the terrorists Shah replied ''I cant kill them, i am the Shah of this country, not somekind of evil coupdetat leader''.

What a mistake he did. He should have massacred all of those terrorists.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

"Only a slave waits to be freed"

I'm not waiting, i'm writing. Whilst people in Iraq are protesting.

What else do you suggest?

If no vacuum then there cannot be interference. Vacuum is the premise of a successful interference.



They or others can interfere in many ways. Economy and corruption to name a few.

The vacuum in Iraq's case is its political system.
Corruption is higher than even Somalia, so if you're proud of the interference then you brand yourself as shit.

Look man. Reality is that you were getting your asses handed to you by daesh. IRGC stepped in and changed the tides. Call it whatever you want!


I don't give a 2 cents about mob mentality wether they are in the streets of Iran, Iraq or France.

IRGC did not deploy in Iraq apart from a few 60+ year old volunteers whom were seeking martyrdom. The entire war on the ground was fought by Iraqis. Or will you now tell me that Ghassem Soleimani's tour in a Jeep changed the tide and did everything.

 

[Sina-1]

I'm not waiting, i'm writing. Whilst people in Iraq are protesting.

What else do you suggest?



The vacuum in Iraq's case is its political system.
Corruption is higher than even Somalia, so if you're proud of the interference then you brand yourself as shit.





IRGC did not deploy in Iraq apart from a few 60+ year old volunteers whom were seeking martyrdom. The entire war on the ground was fought by Iraqis. Or will you now tell me that Ghassem Soleimani's tour in a Jeep changed the tide and did everything.

otack är världens lön! Go in peace brother!