'Kashmiris being converted to Hinduism' - Pakistan FO spokesman

[Samlee]

Assuming the numbers to be True, it is still a World war fought between kings for land and to establish rule of law.

Not a war to destroy's others faith.

See the difference ?

Assume? That Means You Doubt Your Own Religious Texts As Well

The Same Excuses Are Given By Every Religious Fanatic.Even ISIS and Taliban Give The Same Excuses

 

[MagicMarker]

Assume? That Means You Doubt Your Own Religious Texts As Well

The Same Excuses Are Given By Every Religious Fanatic.Even ISIS and Taliban Give The Same Excuses

I used the words "assuming" for the purpose of the debate, not as a matter of my faith.

Hindu Dharma is open for debate and the faith is open to questions, is the same true for Islam and its followers from ISIS and Taliban ?

I am being threatened with a ban merely for challenging your narrative. lol.

There is no comparison between Dharmi religion and Abrahamic religion.

 

[Samlee]

I used the words "assuming" for the purpose of the debate, not as a matter of my faith.

Hindu Dharma is open for debate and the faith is open to questions, is the same true for Islam and its followers from ISIS and Taliban ?

I am being threatened with a ban merely for challenging your narrative. lol.

There is no comparison between Dharmi religion and Abrahamic religion.

I Have Already Proven In My Previous Thread I Have Already Shown That Hinduism Has Had An Equally Bloody History of Fanaticism.


With A Decent Language Islam Is Open For You Non Muslims to Debate and Question.I Will Not Question or Challenge Islam Because It Is My Personal Faith and Conviction You May Have The Same Feeling For Yours and I Am Ready to Respect That

 

[MagicMarker]

I Have Already Proven In My Previous Thread I Have Already Shown That Hinduism Has Had An Equally Bloody History of Fanaticism.

With A Decent Language Islam Is Open For You Non Muslims to Debate and Question.I Will Not Question or Challenge Islam Because It Is My Personal Faith and Conviction You May Have The Same Feeling For Yours and I Am Ready to Respect That

Hinduism has a bloody history but not a history of Fanaticism.

Hindu kingdom's went to war and for most parts , engaged with the rules of war. And this is thousands of years before any 'Geneva convention'. Pakistan even today has problem following the simple Geneva convention.

So far I have not used any "indecent" language, yet the call for ban has been made more than once. What does that tell you ? it does not take a rocket scientist to figure our this simple reality.

 

[Samlee]

Hinduism has a bloody history but not a history of Fanaticism.

Hindu kingdom's went to war and for most parts , engaged with the rules of war. And this is thousands of years before any 'Geneva convention'. Pakistan even today has problem following the simple Geneva convention.

So far I have not used any "indecent" language, yet the call for ban has been made more than once. What does that tell you ? it does not take a rocket scientist to figure our this simple reality.

OK Care To Explain This

1.According to P.K.Misra,

"Although archaeological evidence is meager, it seems likely, that the Deorkothar stupa geographically located between Sanchi and Bharhut, was destroyed as a result of Pushyamitra Shunga's fanaticism. The exposed remains at Deorkothar bear evidence of deliberate destruction datable to his reign. The three-tiered railing is damaged; railing pillars lie broken to smithereens on stone-flooring. Twenty pieces of pillar have been recovered, each fragment itself fractured. The site offers no indication of natural destruction.(2001)."

2.Pusyamitra Sunga (Sunga Dynasty) -
He is reported to have set fire to the Sutras, destroyed Stupas, razed Samgharamas and massacred Bhikkus and even killed the deity of the Bodhi tree.

3.According to other accounts, Pushyamitra Shunga proceeded to Shakala and offered 100 Dinaras for the head of every Buddhist monk.
(Pruthi, R.K., (2004). Buddhism and Indian Civilization, p.83. Discovery Publishing House)
Similarly

According to Gargi Chakravartty.

“Another myth has been meticulously promoted with regard to the tolerance of the Hindu rulers. Let us go back to the end of second century BC. Divyavadana (sic), in a text of about the second-third century AD, depicts Pushyamitra Shunga as a great persecutor of Buddhists. In a crusading march with a huge army he destroyed stupas, burnt monasteries and killed monks. This stretched up to Shakala, i.e. modern Sialkot, where he announced a reward of 100 gold coins to the person who would bring the head of a Buddhist monk. Even if this is an exaggeration, the acute hostility and tensions between Pushyamitra and the monks cannot be denied.”

and

Recalls Dr. Jayaprakash: ‘The Hindu ruler Pushyamitra Sunga had destroyed 84,000 Buddhist stupas which were built by Emperor Ashoka. This was followed by the demolition of Buddhist centres in Magadha. Thousands of Buddhist saints were killed mercilessly. King Jalaluka destroyed the Buddha viharas within his jurisdiction on the ground that chanting of hymns by Buddhists disturbed his sleep! In Kashmir, King Kinnara demolished thousands of viharas and captured the Buddhist villages to please Brahmins. A large number of Buddha viharas were usurped by Brahmins and converted into Hindu temples where entry of ‘untouchables’ was prohibited. Notably, Buddhist places were regularized as Hindu temples by writing Puranas, which were invented myths or pseudo history. The important temples at Tirupathi, Aihole, Undavalli, Ellora, Bengal, Puri, Badarinath, Mathura, Ayodhya, Sringeri, Bodhigaya, Saranath, Delhi, Nalanda, Gudimallam, Nagarjunakonda, Srisailam and Sabarimala are some of the striking examples of Brahminical usurpation of Buddhist centres.’

Want To See The Way The Holy Prophet Treated His Prisoners of War Long Before Geneva Convention
http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthre...tment-of-Prisoners-of-War-According-to-Islaam

The holy Quran and the traditional sayings and acts of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) strictly impose the following injunctions during the time of peace and the time of war.


No one should be burned alive or tortured with fire.

Wounded soldiers who are neither unfit to fight, nor actually fighting, should not be attacked.

Prisoners of war should not be killed.

It is prohibited to kill anyone who is tied up or in captivity.

Residential areas should not be pillaged, plundered or destroyed, nor should the Muslims touch the property of anyone except those who are fighting against them.

Muslims must not take anything from the general public of the conquered country without paying for it.

The corpses of the enemy must not be disgraced or mutilated.

Corpses of the enemy should be returned.

Treaties must not be broken.

In Islam, taking one’s life is equal to taking the life of the whole of the mankind. Allah says in the holy Quran:


“If any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people…” (Surah Al Ma’idah 5:32)

http://www.irfi.org/articles3/articles_4601_4700/war ethics in islamhtml.htm

 

[MagicMarker]

OK Care To Explain This

and

Want To See The Way The Holy Prophet Treated His Prisoners of War Long Before Geneva Convention
http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthre...tment-of-Prisoners-of-War-According-to-Islaam

1. All reference is taken from "Divyavadana" or the "Divine speech" .

These are some of teh stories from "divyavadana"

i.) Two parrot chicks who frequently receive Buddhist teachings are killed by a cat, but not before taking refuge in the Buddha, the dharma, and the community. In response to a question about their fate, the Buddha explains that they have been reborn among the gods and will one day be reborn as solitary buddhas.

ii. ) A divine being about to fall from heaven and be reborn as a pig laments his fate, and Sakra, out of compassion, convinces him to take refuge in the Buddha. As a result of his taking refuge, the divine being is reborn among the gods of Tuṣita heaven, a realm even higher than the one Sakra inhabits.


etc... etc...

I suggest you take what it says with a pinch of salt.



What does your prophet say about "slavery" ? and taking and treatment of slaves as war bounty ?

 

[Samlee]

1. All reference is taken from "Divyavadana" or the "Divine speech" .

These are some of teh stories from "divyavadana"

i.) Two parrot chicks who frequently receive Buddhist teachings are killed by a cat, but not before taking refuge in the Buddha, the dharma, and the community. In response to a question about their fate, the Buddha explains that they have been reborn among the gods and will one day be reborn as solitary buddhas.

ii. ) A divine being about to fall from heaven and be reborn as a pig laments his fate, and Sakra, out of compassion, convinces him to take refuge in the Buddha. As a result of his taking refuge, the divine being is reborn among the gods of Tuṣita heaven, a realm even higher than the one Sakra inhabits.


etc... etc...


I suggest you take what it says with a pinch of salt.

Have You Really Read My References???Your Just Typing Mumbo Jumbo Now

 

[MagicMarker]

Have You Really Read My References???Your Just Typing Mumbo Jumbo Now

Did you ?

1. ".......Although archaeological evidence is meager, it seems likely, that the Deorkothar stupa geographically located between Sanchi and Bharhut, was destroyed as a result of Pushyamitra Shunga's fanaticism..." (Because DivyaVanda said so)

2. "......He is reported to have set fire to the Sutras" ( "reported" in DivyaVadana)

3. "According to other accounts, Pushyamitra Shunga proceeded to Shakala and offered 100 Dinaras for the head of every Buddhist monk." (This "account" again being the DivyaVadana)

4. ".....The Hindu ruler Pushyamitra Sunga had destroyed 84,000 Buddhist stupas which were built by Emperor Ashoka. " ( Again as per DivyaVadana)


So if you want to believe all this, better start believing that Two parrot chicks who were killed by a cat, was reborn as solitary buddhas.

 

[Samlee]

Did you ?

1. ".......Although archaeological evidence is meager, it seems likely, that the Deorkothar stupa geographically located between Sanchi and Bharhut, was destroyed as a result of Pushyamitra Shunga's fanaticism..." (Because DivyaVanda said so)

2. "......He is reported to have set fire to the Sutras" ( "reported" in DivyaVadana)

3. "According to other accounts, Pushyamitra Shunga proceeded to Shakala and offered 100 Dinaras for the head of every Buddhist monk." (This "account" again being the DivyaVadana)

4. ".....The Hindu ruler Pushyamitra Sunga had destroyed 84,000 Buddhist stupas which were built by Emperor Ashoka. " ( Again as per DivyaVadana)


So if you want to believe all this, better start believing that Two parrot chicks who were killed by a cat, was reborn as solitary buddhas.

Why Are You Suddenly In Denial Mode You Want Me Accept Links From Crackpot Islamophobic Websites But YouTake My References With A'pinch of Salt' I Am Not Quoting Ancient Texts I Am Quoting Dr MS Jayaprakash
P.K Misra and Gargi Chakravartty.

Even Bhaktis Favourite Historian S. R. Goyal has attributed the decline and disappearance of Buddhism from India to the hostility of the Brahmanas. An incident oft cited is the destruction of the Bo Tree and Buddhist images by Saivite King, Shashanka, persecution by Pusyamitra Sunga (185 BC to 151 BC) who detested the Law of the Buddha had set fire to the Sutras, destroyed Stupas, razed Samgharamas and massacred Bhikkus and even killed the deity of the Bodhi tree.

 

[MagicMarker]

Why Are You Suddenly In Denial Mode You Want Me Accept Links From Crackpot Islamophobic Websites But YouTake My References With A'pinch of Salt' I Am Not Quoting Ancient Texts I Am Quoting Dr MS Jayaprakash
P.K Misra and Gargi Chakravartty.

Even Bhaktis Favourite Historian S. R. Goyal has attributed the decline and disappearance of Buddhism from India to the hostility of the Brahmanas. An incident oft cited is the destruction of the Bo Tree and Buddhist images by Saivite King, Shashanka, persecution by Pusyamitra Sunga (185 BC to 151 BC) who detested the Law of the Buddha had set fire to the Sutras, destroyed Stupas, razed Samgharamas and massacred Bhikkus and even killed the deity of the Bodhi tree.

LOL.... its you who are in denial when made to confront with facts.

Unless your new heroes Dr MS Jayaprakash, P.K Misra and Gargi Chakravartty. were living with Ashoka and Pusyamitra , they are ALL quoting and EXTRAPOLATING from the DivyaVadana

This despite their self confession of "meagre evidence".


Buddhism flourished in India for a 1000 years before the advent of Islamic Invasion, so its pretty clear what caused the demise of the Buddhist and Buddhism from India.


If you are so keen of quoting the Divya Vadana and taking it as the gospel truth even then Pusyamitra Sunga has scored better than The Buddhist king Asoka who's throne he usurped.


From the DivyaVandana : "At that time, an incident occurred which greatly enraged the king. A follower of the Nirgrantha (Mahavira) painted a picture, showing Buddha prostrating himself at the feet of the Nirgrantha. Ashoka ordered all the Ajivikas of Pundravardhana (North Bengal) to be killed. In one day, eighteen thousand Ajivikas lost their lives. A similar kind of incident took place in the town of Pataliputra. A man who painted such a picture was burnt alive with his family. It was announced that whoever would bring the king the head of a Nirgrantha would be rewarded with a dinara (a gold coin). As a result of this, thousands of Nirgranthas lost their lives." Only when Vitashoka, Ashoka's favourite Arhat (an enlightened monk, a Theravada-Buddhist saint), was mistaken for a Nirgran- tha and killed by a man desirous of the reward, did Ashoka revoke the order."



OTOH the charity of King Pushyamitra Sunga is well-attested historical fact that he allowed and patronised the construction of monasteries and Buddhist universities in his domains.


So it all boils down to the reincarnated parrot who you so devoutly trust.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Review ratings thread is closed. So, I have no option except asking this here.
Seriously Mr. @Mugwoop ?

Post it in GHQ for ratings review

 

[Samlee]

LOL.... its you who are in denial when made to confront with facts.

Unless your new heroes Dr MS Jayaprakash, P.K Misra and Gargi Chakravartty. were living with Ashoka and Pusyamitra , they are ALL quoting and EXTRAPOLATING from the DivyaVadana

This despite their self confession of "meagre evidence".


Buddhism flourished in India for a 1000 years before the advent of Islamic Invasion, so its pretty clear what caused the demise of the Buddhist and Buddhism from India.






So it all boils down to the reincarnated parrot who you so devoutly trust.

So I Think You Spent Your Entire Life In Kashmir Under Sikander Butshikan.

In The Entire Text All Your Myopic Eyes Could See Was The "Meagre".But You Obviously Did Not Read The Description of That So Called Meagre Evidence That Followed.

Dr MS Jayaprakash, P.K Misra and Gargi Chakravartty(And S.R Goyal Who You Have Conveniently Omitted) May Or May Not Be My Heroes But Now I Know You Will Move Heaven and Earth To Discerdit Them Now That You Are Caught With Your Pants Down

Great So I Assume Pushymitra Sunga and Mihirakula Were Muslims Pathetic

The Brahmin, Pushyamitra Sunga, demolished 84,000 Budhist stupas
which had been built by Ashoka the Great

(Romila Thaper, Ashoka and Decline of Mouryas, London, 1961, p 200).

Also Read This

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pushyamitra_Shunga#Authenticity_of_Buddhist_claims

Everyone Blames Pushyamitra Sunga

Also How Do You Explain King Jalaluka and King Kannara in Kashmir????
Is Rajataringini Also An Incarnated Parrot


Even Aurangzeb Donated to and Built Some Hindu Temples Are You Bhaktis Ready To Cut Him Some Slack????

I Can Give You Detailed Explanation on Slavery in Islam But Time and Bandwith Do Not Permit Me

 

[Mugwop]

First the sadists claim there are no ancient temples left in Pakistan.

1. Katas Raj Temple of Chakwal
2. Shri Varun Dev Mandir, Manora dated back to 160 years
3. Hinglaj Mata Mandir of Baluchistan
4. Jagannath Mandir of Sialkot

Now they are saying oh look at the condition of those temples which contradicts their own statement.

magic marker hasn't logged off here for 2 days, I feel bad for the guy.I can't imagine how boring his life must be? When the mods finally ban him.He can cry himself to sleep

 

[MagicMarker]

So I Think You Spent Your Entire Life In Kashmir Under Sikander Butshikan.

In The Entire Text All Your Myopic Eyes Could See Was The "Meagre".But You Obviously Did Not Read The Description of That So Called Meagre Evidence That Followed.

Dr MS Jayaprakash, P.K Misra and Gargi Chakravartty(And S.R Goyal Who You Have Conveniently Omitted) May Or May Not Be My Heroes But Now I Know You Will Move Heaven and Earth To Discerdit Them Now That You Are Caught With Your Pants Down

Great So I Assume Pushymitra Sunga and Mihirakula Were Muslims Pathetic

(Romila Thaper, Ashoka and Decline of Mouryas, London, 1961, p 200).

It does not matter how many people you quote, they are ALL quoting from the DivyaVadana

This includes Romila Thaper and S R Goyal.

All you can do is parrot second hand quotes and point to the "greatness" of these second hand authors to convince me or anyone else. I am quoting the ROOT source, the DivyaVadana.


What description was there to read ? A lame conjuncture that MAYBE Pushyamitra Sunga destroyed them because DivyaVadan says so ?

Maybe the islamic invaders broke them. That is far more likely based on historical records and patterns.

Also Read This

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pushyamitra_Shunga#Authenticity_of_Buddhist_claims

Everyone Blames Pushyamitra Sunga

Also How Do You Explain King Jalaluka and King Kannara in Kashmir????
Is Rajataringini Also An Incarnated Parrot

LOL.... do you even bother to read your own link ?

It raises doubt and authenticity about the claims in your own link.

"Many other scholars have expressed skepticism about the Buddhist claims of persecution by Pushyamitra. Étienne Lamotte points out that the Buddhist legends are not consistent about the location of Pushyamitra's anti-Buddhist campaign and his death.[18] The Ashokavadana claims that Pushyamitra offered dinaras as a reward for killing Buddhist monks, but the dinara did not come into circulation in India before the 1st century CE. Ashokavadana also claims that Ashoka persecuted Nirgranthas (Ajivikas), which is an obvious fabrication, considering that Ashoka's edicts express tolerance towards all religious sects.[19] The Sri Lankan Buddhist text Mahavamsa suggests that several monasteries existed in present-day Bihar, Awadh and Malwa at the time Pushyamitra's contemporary Dutthagamani ruled in Lanka. This suggests that these monasteries survived Pushyamitra Shunga's reign."

"The fact that the Ashokavadana mentions Pushyamitra as a Mauryan further erodes its historical credibility, and weakens the hypothesis that he persecuted Buddhists because he was a Brahmin."


Are you now saying that king Jalaluka was the same as King Pushyamitra ?

Even Aurangzeb Donated to and Built Some Hindu Temples Are You Bhaktis Ready To Cut Him Some Slack????

Even Tipu Sultan in his desperate time donated to the sringeri shrine. It does not white wash his umpteen other sins.

Same holds true for Aurengzeb.

I Can Give You Detailed Explanation on Slavery in Islam But Time and Bandwith Do Not Permit Me

Finally I do not need any "Explanation on Slavery" any more than I need an "Explanation on Paedophilia" or an "Explanation on Canabalism". The very fact that you can make such a statement shows that you accept the concept of Slavery as a matter of principle.

First the sadists claim there are no ancient temples left in Pakistan.

1. Katas Raj Temple of Chakwal
2. Shri Varun Dev Mandir, Manora dated back to 160 years
3. Hinglaj Mata Mandir of Baluchistan
4. Jagannath Mandir of Sialkot

Now they are saying oh look at the condition of those temples which contradicts their own statement.

magic marker hasn't logged off here for 2 days, I feel bad for the guy.I can't imagine how boring his life must be? When the mods finally ban him.He can cry himself to sleep

Non that exist who's sanctum sanatorium has not been desecrate. Learn to read and understand English.

Dreams of Blowing up temples , statues and silencing people is the only thing you can hope for. The alternative is much too terrifying for you. Now don't cry over this too.

If it makes you feel any better try to give me one more negative rating

 

[Samlee]

It does not matter how many people you quote, they are ALL quoting from the DivyaVadana

This includes Romila Thaper and S R Goyal.

All you can do is parrot second hand quotes and point to the "greatness" of these second hand authors to convince me or anyone else. I am quoting the ROOT source, the DivyaVadana.


What description was there to read ? A lame conjuncture that MAYBE Pushyamitra Sunga destroyed them because DivyaVadan says so ?

Maybe the islamic invaders broke them. That is far more likely based on historical records and patterns.





LOL.... do you even bother to read your own link ?

It raises doubt and authenticity about the claims in your own link.

"Many other scholars have expressed skepticism about the Buddhist claims of persecution by Pushyamitra. Étienne Lamotte points out that the Buddhist legends are not consistent about the location of Pushyamitra's anti-Buddhist campaign and his death.[18] The Ashokavadana claims that Pushyamitra offered dinaras as a reward for killing Buddhist monks, but the dinara did not come into circulation in India before the 1st century CE. Ashokavadana also claims that Ashoka persecuted Nirgranthas (Ajivikas), which is an obvious fabrication, considering that Ashoka's edicts express tolerance towards all religious sects.[19] The Sri Lankan Buddhist text Mahavamsa suggests that several monasteries existed in present-day Bihar, Awadh and Malwa at the time Pushyamitra's contemporary Dutthagamani ruled in Lanka. This suggests that these monasteries survived Pushyamitra Shunga's reign."

"The fact that the Ashokavadana mentions Pushyamitra as a Mauryan further erodes its historical credibility, and weakens the hypothesis that he persecuted Buddhists because he was a Brahmin."


Are you now saying that king Jalaluka was the same as King Pushyamitra ?





Even Tipu Sultan in his desperate time donated to the sringeri shrine. It does not white wash his umpteen other sins.

Same holds true for Aurengzeb.




Finally I do not need any "Explanation on Slavery" any more than I need an "Explanation on Paedophilia" or an "Explanation on Canabalism". The very fact that you can make such a statement shows that you accept the concept of Slavery as a matter of principle.

You Eyes Are Really Amazing They Only Show You What You Want To See.I Quoted The Whole Sub Topic After Reading Because I Am Not Narrow Minded That Is Why I Quoted The Entire Text.But It Is Your Second Nature To Quote The Part That Supports Your Point of View

It Does Not Raise Doubts But Simply Presents Both Point of Views of Historians


I Am Sure It Is Going To Be A Waste of My Time Explaining Anything Because You Are A Narrow Minded Idiot Who Has Already Made Up Your Mind.I Can Swear to God If The Very Authors I Quoted Accused Muslims Of Anything They Would Have Been Quoted By You As The Final Authority No Questions Asked