I already said my reply would always depend on the 'quality'' of the debater on other side .
One of Indian member also cleared that .
Kashmir torture trail - Channel 4 documentary
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I already said my reply would always depend on the 'quality'' of the debater on other side .
One of Indian member also cleared that .
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Alright you looks like a good and a sane member i have read your other posts too maybe i will also try to respond to him next time.
You quoted me and said
"Of Course we have our fair shares of dumbs like you that cant do anything except religion shits and stupid comments" ???
Source: https://defence.pk/threads/kashmir-torture-trail-channel-4-documentary.442260/page-6#ixzz4GCQAxcio
Alright you looks like a good and a sane member i have read your other posts too maybe i will also try to respond to him next time.
Like I said it always about perspective .
Like I said it always about perspective .
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That's what Indians believe or propagate but it is contrary to the facts. When Pakistan was supporting them, the casualties for Indian occupation forces were too high and those have reduced drastically since Musharraf's stepping into the office. He shamelessly allowed India to fence the LOC without any resistance on ground and on diplomatic level. But even now PA should start stripping down the fence and let Kashmiris to help their brothers in IOK in the best interest of humanity.
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As sure as the existence of mine.....
Pls visit some Masjid in valley & hear the sermon especially on Friday to grasp what I am trying to convey here... Try to be open & get close to local folks you would find what you are looking for....
I am in complete awareness of many things what is happening in valley zone by zone & many things which I can't share on public forums.... Last time I was busy sitting here in Gurgaon evacuating my ppl from lolab valley of kupwara as the news flashed out about wanis encounter....
What happened to you today??? Rhetoric mode?
I would welcome PA becoming active. Already the wahabis are spreading their wings there in addition to Pakistan sending in wannabe Rambos across LC. This will allow us the perfect opportunity to clear off another generation of Kashmiris who pick up guns against the Union of India.
You see, as long as they are on legitimate routes of protests, no one in army cares. The moment they pick up a weapon, the matter shifts from civil law enforcement to liquidation of ANEs. And with the deployment pattern of army along LC Pakistan would be loathe to interfere actively.
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There is no particular change in the casualty rate for the constabulary posted in Kashmir. Look at the facts, the numbers, and you will see for yourself.
Stripping down the fence will constitute an act of war.
I really don't see that happening.Interesting answer.
Having said that, were you able to understand my intent when I underlined your specific lines and quoted you asking about you being sure?
Am not asking you to tell the world you know area of 8. If you knew what is happening zone by zone, you would have got what I meant - Jamiat Ahl al Hadith - Bareilvi - Sufi and the role of int n security forces in this.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...habi-duel-in-Kashmir/articleshow/12860076.cms
Post open source.... You have AR5000 types here too. My suggestion.
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You're saying this while standing in front of mirror??? It should then become your habit from now on...
I take my comment back....Sorry....
In 1990's ? Pakistan interfered too late then...
Stripping down the fence will constitute an act of war.
Not to mention it is well within Indian side of LC ... they will be slaughtered reaching there.
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If thats the case what are the traitor baloch leaders doing in India, they are not there to just eat idli sambar
http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...f-baloch-activist-in-india/article7739733.ece
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http://www.dawn.com/news/1274764/facing-moral-blindness-in-kashmir
Facing moral blindness in Kashmir
Samir Bhatt — Updated about 13 hours ago
The vicious cycle of curfew, strikes, nocturnal raids and indiscriminate use of force in India-held Kashmir continues unabated for the fourth week.
On July 8, 2016 government forces killed Burhan Wani, a young rebel commander in his early 20s in Kashmir’s Kokernag area. A dapper, swashbuckling leader, who efficiently leveraged social media, Burhan’s death innervated Kashmiri youth, who poured out on streets in thousands to express their anger.
Despite a strict curfew imposed by the government in Srinagar, close to 300,000 people attended Burhan’s funeral prayers. Reports suggested that mourners poured in from far-off hamlets — on bicycles, tractors, load carriers, motorcycles and on foot. Fifty back-to-back janazas of the slain rebel were offered.
Earlier this year when Mufti Muhammad Sayed, the then chief minister of India-held J&K died, less than 3,000 people attended his funeral. The contrast could not have been starker for the person in the thick of this all — Mufti’s daughter and the current chief minister, Mehbooba Mufti.
More than 50 boys have been killed and thousands injured during three weeks of intense clashes in IHK.
At the centre of public anger, Ms Mufti has been booed recently as she made a rare public appearance. Her ministers have been stoned in several places. In fact, a photo-op attempt with the kin of a few boys killed in police firing, resulted in her being dubbed as the ‘condolence queen’ — someone who watches hysterically as young kids get shot at and killed wantonly.
More than 50 boys have been killed and thousands injured in Kashmir during the latest upsurge in violence. The police there aided by the Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) and Indian army has used live ammunition to break up protests.
The use of ‘non-lethal’ pellet guns to control crowds has proven especially disastrous. Scores of young men have lost their eyesight and hundreds others have sustained serious injuries due to the ‘pellet terror’.
The aim to inflict maximum physical and psychological damage on protesters — by effectively blinding them — has led many to directly question the ethics and moral blindness of India’s policies in Kashmir.
Just like Shakespeare’s King Lear, where the king’s blindness is the primary cause of many bad decisions he made; India and its local administrators in the valley find themselves in a state of denial around the excessive use of force.
Doctors in Srinagar’s leading hospitals — SKIMS and SHMS — attending to the injured, speak of the horror of noticing “sharp and irregular-shaped pellets” injuries in the retinas of young men and women, which is causing “long-term damage” to these kids.
Besides maiming a person forever, pellet injuries to eyes may also result in partial or zero restoration of vision. Not surprisingly, there is rage against the Kashmir government and its colonial policing tactics.
Kashmiris have answered India’s aggression by observing a general strike for more than three weeks now. The picketing, even if purely symbolic (resulting in an estimated loss of more than Rs1billion daily to Kashmir’s economy) has been fashioned to challenge the government’s writ.
Steered by the united Hurriyat Conference, businesses have kept their shutters down, workers have stayed home and schools and offices have remained closed.
Each evening, for the last 23 days, mosques, spread across the length and breadth of the valley — that is lush with the bloom of a million flowers around this time of the year — reverberate with songs and anthems of Kashmir’s freedom.
Slogans extolling the right to self-determination are commonplace. Graffiti written in praise of militants has come up in several places. The fury is reminiscent of the early 1990s when armed insurgency first started in the disputed valley.
However the uprising of 2016 is markedly different from the 1990s in more than one way. A new generation of Kashmiris in the foreground is both defiant and daring. The impetuosity is newfound.
Even Kashmir’s police chief recently admitted that the valley “continues to remain tense” and that the ongoing “protests are of extreme nature which have proved difficult to control” for the government forces.
Blocking the internet and mobile phone services have proved to be of little help — much to the chagrin of the security grid in Kashmir. Protests raged on even as government gagged the local press from publishing for four consecutive days in recent weeks.
Condemnation over India’s high-handedness has been swift. Expressing regret over the loss of lives and injuries in the clashes, UN chief Ban Ki-moon called on parties to exercise “maximum restraint” to avoid further violence in Kashmir.
Even as major global powers like the US and China joined in to express concern over the growing unrest in the valley, Indian Prime Minister, Narendra Modi — a quixotic right-wing politician who usually revels in communicating through social media — has maintained a steady silence over the issue.
It is exactly this ability of India to deny responsibility for its damnable actions in the valley — also called plausible deniability — that has increased acrimony in Kashmir. The Burhan episode has simply given an aperture, a vent to the aspirations of millions.
Like an unskilled healer, India is scrambling to meliorate the fever, without tending to the underlying manifestation of the problem. Left untreated, it ulcerates — time and again.
Kashmir is akin to political magma that burbles. No amount of doles and packages and handouts will fix it. Unless the main stakeholders — India, Pakistan and the people of Jammu and Kashmir — sit down to find a peaceful resolution to this vexed problem, Kashmir will continue to lacerate the body politic of the Indian subcontinent.
The writer is currently working on his debut novel set in Kashmir.
Facing moral blindness in Kashmir
Samir Bhatt — Updated about 13 hours ago
The vicious cycle of curfew, strikes, nocturnal raids and indiscriminate use of force in India-held Kashmir continues unabated for the fourth week.
On July 8, 2016 government forces killed Burhan Wani, a young rebel commander in his early 20s in Kashmir’s Kokernag area. A dapper, swashbuckling leader, who efficiently leveraged social media, Burhan’s death innervated Kashmiri youth, who poured out on streets in thousands to express their anger.
Despite a strict curfew imposed by the government in Srinagar, close to 300,000 people attended Burhan’s funeral prayers. Reports suggested that mourners poured in from far-off hamlets — on bicycles, tractors, load carriers, motorcycles and on foot. Fifty back-to-back janazas of the slain rebel were offered.
Earlier this year when Mufti Muhammad Sayed, the then chief minister of India-held J&K died, less than 3,000 people attended his funeral. The contrast could not have been starker for the person in the thick of this all — Mufti’s daughter and the current chief minister, Mehbooba Mufti.
More than 50 boys have been killed and thousands injured during three weeks of intense clashes in IHK.
At the centre of public anger, Ms Mufti has been booed recently as she made a rare public appearance. Her ministers have been stoned in several places. In fact, a photo-op attempt with the kin of a few boys killed in police firing, resulted in her being dubbed as the ‘condolence queen’ — someone who watches hysterically as young kids get shot at and killed wantonly.
More than 50 boys have been killed and thousands injured in Kashmir during the latest upsurge in violence. The police there aided by the Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) and Indian army has used live ammunition to break up protests.
The use of ‘non-lethal’ pellet guns to control crowds has proven especially disastrous. Scores of young men have lost their eyesight and hundreds others have sustained serious injuries due to the ‘pellet terror’.
The aim to inflict maximum physical and psychological damage on protesters — by effectively blinding them — has led many to directly question the ethics and moral blindness of India’s policies in Kashmir.
Just like Shakespeare’s King Lear, where the king’s blindness is the primary cause of many bad decisions he made; India and its local administrators in the valley find themselves in a state of denial around the excessive use of force.
Doctors in Srinagar’s leading hospitals — SKIMS and SHMS — attending to the injured, speak of the horror of noticing “sharp and irregular-shaped pellets” injuries in the retinas of young men and women, which is causing “long-term damage” to these kids.
Besides maiming a person forever, pellet injuries to eyes may also result in partial or zero restoration of vision. Not surprisingly, there is rage against the Kashmir government and its colonial policing tactics.
Kashmiris have answered India’s aggression by observing a general strike for more than three weeks now. The picketing, even if purely symbolic (resulting in an estimated loss of more than Rs1billion daily to Kashmir’s economy) has been fashioned to challenge the government’s writ.
Steered by the united Hurriyat Conference, businesses have kept their shutters down, workers have stayed home and schools and offices have remained closed.
Each evening, for the last 23 days, mosques, spread across the length and breadth of the valley — that is lush with the bloom of a million flowers around this time of the year — reverberate with songs and anthems of Kashmir’s freedom.
Slogans extolling the right to self-determination are commonplace. Graffiti written in praise of militants has come up in several places. The fury is reminiscent of the early 1990s when armed insurgency first started in the disputed valley.
However the uprising of 2016 is markedly different from the 1990s in more than one way. A new generation of Kashmiris in the foreground is both defiant and daring. The impetuosity is newfound.
Even Kashmir’s police chief recently admitted that the valley “continues to remain tense” and that the ongoing “protests are of extreme nature which have proved difficult to control” for the government forces.
Blocking the internet and mobile phone services have proved to be of little help — much to the chagrin of the security grid in Kashmir. Protests raged on even as government gagged the local press from publishing for four consecutive days in recent weeks.
Condemnation over India’s high-handedness has been swift. Expressing regret over the loss of lives and injuries in the clashes, UN chief Ban Ki-moon called on parties to exercise “maximum restraint” to avoid further violence in Kashmir.
Even as major global powers like the US and China joined in to express concern over the growing unrest in the valley, Indian Prime Minister, Narendra Modi — a quixotic right-wing politician who usually revels in communicating through social media — has maintained a steady silence over the issue.
It is exactly this ability of India to deny responsibility for its damnable actions in the valley — also called plausible deniability — that has increased acrimony in Kashmir. The Burhan episode has simply given an aperture, a vent to the aspirations of millions.
Like an unskilled healer, India is scrambling to meliorate the fever, without tending to the underlying manifestation of the problem. Left untreated, it ulcerates — time and again.
Kashmir is akin to political magma that burbles. No amount of doles and packages and handouts will fix it. Unless the main stakeholders — India, Pakistan and the people of Jammu and Kashmir — sit down to find a peaceful resolution to this vexed problem, Kashmir will continue to lacerate the body politic of the Indian subcontinent.
The writer is currently working on his debut novel set in Kashmir.
Nope .Your leaders were already interfered in the Kashmir just after 1990s ,after the Afghan war.
AFSPA implemented in there after that.
When your mujahideens driven out all Pandits from there.
That is what we said ,we didnt warmed up yet.
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Your country has been doing it since its foundation and your nation is in the present state due to her "Karma". History should be a lesson and time to think before venting emotional outbursts.
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