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Kashmir - Think the Unthinkable

Morality is not relativistic in the case of Kashmir because the freedom of a human being is not relativistic,

There is no such thing as absolute freedom, may be it exists in Philosophy but in realworld there is only relative freedom. For the Sake of argument as a Pakistani do you think Gays have absolute freedom even though their grandparents decided to stay with Pakistan.

the right of a human to determine with which extended social and political unit he wants to associate with, the right to choose whose sovereignty to acknowledge, is not relativistic.

Not all wants can be satisfied in ones life.

In Kashmir's case, the moral argument is also backed up by the legal argument related to the conditions in the IoA and UNSC resolutions

Something which you never trusted to work for you in the first place historically speaking, Gibraltar, Grandslam, Kargil, Hib ul mujahadeen I can go on and onwhen did all these elements fit into a legal framework. Did UNSC resolutions authorise Pakistan to go to war or ferments Insurgents....???
 
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I have no clue what you are getting at here? If the Kashmiris choose Pakistan, yes 'our territory'.

Yes, but they haven't said that to you now and in that post you authirtively claimed that it was your territory before a plebiscite could even take place.
 
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Yes, but they haven't said that to you now and in that post you authirtively claimed that it was your territory before a plebiscite could even take place.

If plebiscite is held then Kashmir is either Kashmiri's territory, an independent Kashmir, or it is Pakistan's territory (if Kashmiris decide so) but one thing is for sure, India will loose it one way or another. :azn:
 
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There is no such thing as absolute freedom, may be it exists in Philosophy but in realworld there is only relative freedom. For the Sake of argument as a Pakistani do you think Gays have absolute freedom even though their grandparents decided to stay with Pakistan.

Not all wants can be satisfied in ones life.

Something which you never trusted to work for you in the first place historically speaking, Gibraltar, Grandslam, Kargil, Hib ul mujahadeen I can go on and onwhen did all these elements fit into a legal framework. Did UNSC resolutions authorise Pakistan to go to war or ferments Insurgents....???

Within the context of a disputed territory, whose resolution has been outlined in he IoA and UNSC resolutions, the morality of a referendum in Kashmir to settle a territorial dispute is absolute.

Freedom is not a want, it is a right. Lets not be a hypocrite, since Indians themselves would not deny their 'right' to secede from the British.

Pakistan did indeed believe in the resolutions, read the UN resolutions thread to see how Pakistan did indeed do its part and reduce force levels as demanded, and it was Indian inaction (acknowledged by the UN official whose statemtn is on that thread) that scuttled the move. Our actions were a result of non-implementation from the Indian side, the UN official clearly states that he does not believe India was sincere in implementing the resolutions. Also look at Nehru's statement, that once the rigged elections were held, he did not believe a plebiscite was necessary.

Pakistan's moves on Kashmir have always been in response to an Indian refusal to settle the dispute based on the legal and moral grounds established for its resolution. Even the 'covert' moves on Kashmir were designed to force India to implement a referendum. So here again the fault lies with India.

But regardless, it is now, Pakistan has cut off almost all material support for insurgents, and the protests in the valley have been overwhelmingly peaceful and political, not militant - yet we still see no sign of a 'referendum', even on a compromise solution that woudl limit the territory the referendum would be held on - this illustrates India's duplicity with regards to India's commitment to the UNSC resolutions and IoA.

Neither Legality nor morality seem to count with India - just trumped up nationalism to justify oppression and occupation. The Nazi's were similar in that.
 
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Yes, but they haven't said that to you now and in that post you authirtively claimed that it was your territory before a plebiscite could even take place.

What was the context of the remark? Please post the whole thing.

And regardless, I think I have stated and clarified my position quite clearly in these last few posts.
 
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By Soutik Biswas
BBC News

Despite the lessons from more than 60 years of troubled history, it feels like the past is repeating itself in Indian-administered Kashmir.

A row over transfer of land for a Hindu pilgrimage snowballed into a nationalist upsurge in the mainly Muslim Kashmir valley.

It has brought back memories of the tumultuous 1990s when Kashmiris raised the banner of freedom from India and militants backed by Pakistan fought a full-blown insurgency.

The cries of azadi (freedom) have again reverberated in the smoke-scented air of the summer capital, Srinagar. In carpeted homes, youngsters join issue with elders to vent their spleen at India. And in grim deja vu, Kashmir's men and women have again been killed by the bullets of the Indian security forces.

When emotions subside, locals pose a simple question: Why does the Indian government bungle every time when faced with a crisis in the region?

'Occupying force'

Kashmir is India's most dangerous flashpoint.

The conflict in this disputed region has triggered two wars with neighbouring Pakistan as well as an insurgency, the loss of more than 60,000 lives and seething resentment among its people. Bill Clinton called it "the most dangerous place" in the world.

It is also a conflict that bleeds India as no other: the state is home to anything between 500,000 and 700,000 members of the security forces, which people in the Kashmir valley derisively refer to as the "occupying force".

Kashmir is also an extremely complex problem - a region caught between the competing aspirations and national pride of India and Pakistan, both of whom claim it.

It also raises uncomfortable questions about the legitimacy of the two countries holding on to parts of the region without taking the consideration the aspirations of its people, many of whom want independence from both countries.

But when a crisis erupts in the region, the Indian government is mostly seen to approach it as a simple problem of law and order. And the much-criticised actions of the security forces, end up stoking the fires more.

People here also wonder what happened with the once much vaunted peace process with Pakistan which appears to be in limbo.

"The problem is," says 38-year-old Omar Abdullah, who heads the National Conference, one of the valley's mainstream political parties, "that India refuses to learn from its mistakes in Kashmir."
"When opportunities came knocking to [solve the problem], the government slept on them or moved too slowly," says Mr Abdullah.

One of them, for example, came just two years ago when former Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf proposed a 'four-step' formula for moving towards a solution on Kashmir.

'No response'

One of the things that he had suggested was the simultaneous withdrawal of Indian and Pakistani troops from the region, a beginning of sorts to demilitarise Kashmir, a long-standing demand of its people.

Mr Abdullah, who met Mr Musharraf in Islamabad two years ago, says that former president was willing to "set aside the UN resolutions [on a settlement to the problem through a plebiscite] and so much more".

"India just didn't respond and act on his proposals," he says.


People in the valley wonder aloud why India doesn't move fast on opportunities and does not seem to keep working towards resolving the crisis.

Instead, they say, it adopted a "let sleeping dogs lie" approach in the past five years when the peace process between India and Pakistan contributed to a relative calm and economic upturn in the Kashmir valley.

Is India's inaction a result of sheer inertia, a defining feature of its slumbering bureaucracy? Or is retaining the status quo in Kashmir a part of a deliberate strategy to wear out political aspirations here?

People like Dr Noor Ahmad Baba, head of the political science department at Kashmir University, say the problem lies in the mindset of the Indian state which is "more assimilative than pluralist".

"It refuses to understand that a big and heterogeneous country like India will have many kinds of diversities and you have to deal with them individually," says Mr Baba.

Kashmiris also consider the recent clamour of Delhi's chatterati to hand over the valley to its people because the costs of keeping it within India are "too high" to be extremely condescending.

They say that with the partition of India in 1947 and Kashmir's accession to India, the valley was anyway "pushed from the centre to the periphery".

Its historical trading and geo-political links with China, Pakistan and Central Asia - Kashmir was on the silk route - were dismembered.

Kashmir had always been closer to what is now Pakistan in terms of trade, waterways and cultural links. That's not surprising given that Islamabad is only 300 km away, compared to Delhi which is some 1000 km away.

"Kashmiris sacrificed a great deal to come together with India. The least we can expect is a new, different model of autonomy. The Indian state refuses to acknowledge that," says Mr Baba.

Dr Hameeda Nayeem, a feisty university teacher and women's rights activist, echoes a similar sentiment.

"The Indian government has been very complacent. It has pushed a peaceful people to the path of violence," she says.

Shadow of guns

The palpable alienation of the people in the Kashmir has a number of roots.

There is the overwhelming presence of the security forces. Entire generations have grown up under the shadow of guns and draconian laws which include the banning of human rights investigations in a region notorious for such abuses.

Then there is the unresolved issue of anything between 3,900 and 10,000 people - depending on who you talk to, officials or local people - who have disappeared since the outbreak of the armed insurgency in the late 1980s.

The discovery of of 1,000 unmarked graves near the town of Uri has never been explained despite demands by rights group.

So when the Indian army chief in charge of the valley told a seminar a few months ago that 93% of the allegations relating to human rights abuses in the valley were wrong, few people here believed him.

"On what basis are these things said? Where is the proof? Where is the transparency? Why are independent human rights groups not allowed into the valley," asks Omar Abdullah.


"Are you surprised after all this that there is a big trust deficit between the people here and the Indian government? Are you surprised that people here believe that the Indian state sweeps things under the carpet?"

At the very minimum, India needs to begin with a Truth and Reconciliation Commission for Kashmir to clear this poisonous mistrust, some analysts argue.

And then, as local Communist leader Mohammad Yousuf Tarigami says, the government should resume dialogue on Kashmir with local leaders, including separatists, and Pakistan.

"This crisis is a warning shot to the government of India," says the soft-spoken Mr Tarigami.

"Not talking on Kashmir is dangerous. Very dangerous."

Otherwise, the stunningly beautiful valley which one of its legendary political leaders, Sheikh Abdullah, had envisioned as a "Eastern Switzerland" will continue to remain a "beautiful prison", as many locals prefer to call their home.
 
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Freedom is not a want, it is a right. Lets not be a hypocrite, since Indians themselves would not deny their 'right' to secede from the British.

EverYone has the right to fight for freedom, but I find this amusing how you attemnt to portray our right to fight for freedom as right to expect British to give us freedom. Let Kashmris fight for their right to freedom rather then think that they have the right to expect Indians to give them freedom as both of them aint the same. We call the ones expecting the latter as Lazy lackeys.

Pakistan did indeed believe in the resolutions, read the UN resolutions thread to see how Pakistan did indeed do its part and reduce force levels as demanded,

And pray tell me where on earth in the Partition agreement does it authorise Pakistan to send in Insurgents(tribes) and rugulars dressed as tribes?

and it was Indian inaction (acknowledged by the UN official whose statemtn is on that thread) that scuttled the move. Our actions were a result of non-implementation from the Indian side, the UN official clearly states that he does not believe India was sincere in implementing the resolutions. Also look at Nehru's statement, that once the rigged elections were held, he did not believe a plebiscite was necessary.

I ll tell you what, our actions were based on your actions preceeding the UNSC resolutions.

Pakistan's moves on Kashmir have always been in response to an Indian refusal to settle the dispute based on the legal and moral grounds established for its resolution. Even the 'covert' moves on Kashmir were designed to force India to implement a referendum. So here again the fault lies with India.

So it states in the UNSC resolution that you can walk over it provided the other party does not heed the summon. is it?

But regardless, it is now, Pakistan has cut off almost all material support for insurgents,

Because rationality dictates that it is not worth fighting for. You do not fight or stand up for people who dont do their fighting or standing up in the first place.

and the protests in the valley have been overwhelmingly peaceful and political, not militant - yet we still see no sign of a 'referendum', even on a compromise solution that woudl limit the territory the referendum would be held on - this illustrates India's duplicity with regards to India's commitment to the

So nearly a month of protests(dying down rapidly) and you expect to solve the issue. Come on Agno, in that case Palestine issue should have been solved eons ago.

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NEW DELHI, Sept 4 APP: Senior Kashmiri leader Syed Ali Shah Geelani has thanked Communist Party of India (CPI-Maoists) for its support to Kashmiri people’s struggle for “Azadi”.

However, he regretted to get any armed support from them.

Media has recently reported that Maoists in India want to support to Kashmir cause, he said in Srinagar and added Kashmiris thanked them for their gesture but regretted to take any armed support.

Talking to media persons, he said the stand taken by the Maoists was appreciable..

Recently, the media reports said the central committee of the CPI (Maoists) has called upon party members and PLGA fighters to mobilise in support of the Kashmiri people’s struggle for Azadi. This was said in the banned organisations document released on Monday.

Meanwhile, Peoples Democratic Party said there was shortage of essential commodities in Kashmir.

Senior PDP leaders Abdul Aziz Zargar, Abdul Rehman Veerai and Syed Sartaj Madni in a joint statement suggested setting up crisis management cell comprising people-friendly and honest officers to tackle the situation.

The PDP leaders said reports about starvation of the people are pouring in from every nook and corner of the Kashmir valley.

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Seems like an interesting development. CPI (Maoists)'s offer should be appreciated as this will further strengthen the Kashmir cause.
 
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IPF:

You are being a hypocrite, since India's and Pakistan's independence was achieved from the British not on the back of a violent militant movement, but primarily from a largely pacifist and political campaign led by the Congress and Jinnah respectively. One could make a similar case with Nelson Mandela's achievement in South Africa -a largely pacifist and political movement.

It was, and is the right way to fight for independence in today's world. You mock the plight of the Palestinians, but even in their situation I have argued that the decision to resort to violence was wrong, and that the resort to violence only allows the occupying power to paint them as intolerant violent extremists.

The same with Kashmir - I do not want Pakistan to support a violent insurgency because I do not believe a violent insurgency necessarily offers better results, and it carries the potential to alienate the very people on whose behalf you support violent insurgents. The results of the last few years of not doing so are clear, as an opportunity (of the Shrine land) allowed the expression of a massive rejection of Indian control and sovereignty. The protests may die down, but the sentiment remains. Lets not forget that the 'lack of protests' and reduction in militancy before the latest protests was the Indian pretext for arguing that there was no popular anti-India sentiment in Kashmir - that has been shown to be hogwash. Now you are attempting to resort to the same old discredited argument.
And pray tell me where on earth in the Partition agreement does it authorise Pakistan to send in Insurgents(tribes) and rugulars dressed as tribes?

Where in the partition agreement does it allow the Maharajah to start massacring the people of Kashmir? The invasion by the Tribals was a response to that heavy handed oppression - lets not forget that massacres by both sides were occurring during the migration of millions from each side, that had incited a tremendous amount of hatred on both sides. The majority of the people in 1947 were not from the military, though one Major (at the behest of LAK) attempted an extremely limited attempt to supply the Tribals.
I ll tell you what, our actions were based on your actions preceeding the UNSC resolutions.
The UNSC resolutions outlined an agreement based on the conditions of the instrument of accession, and in that sense they were a fresh start, agreed to by both sides. The resort to the UN was so that the dispute could be settled and guilt from past actions assigned, and the result was the resolutions. I have argued the reasons as to why Pakistan eventually resorted to covert attempts, and you haven't answered - here they are again:

"Pakistan did indeed believe in the resolutions, read the UN resolutions thread to see how Pakistan did indeed do its part and reduce force levels as demanded, and it was Indian inaction (acknowledged by the UN official whose statemtn is on that thread) that scuttled the move. Our actions were a result of non-implementation from the Indian side, the UN official clearly states that he does not believe India was sincere in implementing the resolutions. Also look at Nehru's statement, that once the rigged elections were held, he did not believe a plebiscite was necessary.

Pakistan's moves on Kashmir have always been in response to an Indian refusal to settle the dispute based on the legal and moral grounds established for its resolution. Even the 'covert' moves on Kashmir were designed to force India to implement a referendum. So here again the fault lies with India."


When India clearly indicated that it would not adhere to either moral or legal obligations, there was no choice left for Pakistan, but to try the covert option - India, due to her refusal to implement the right of self-determination, is the one that pushed the situation to that point.
 
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Kashmir -Disputed since 1947

Saying "Kashmir is an integral part of India" wont ever change the above stated fact. Kashmir has never been part of India, and nobody considers its part of India, so sounding like a stuck record wont ever solve anything, only Kashmiris will suffer more.

Its cringe worthy to see Indians here admitting Kashmir is a problem, but proposing to leave matters exactly the same. What is happening in Kashmir is unacceptable, and you cant possibly convince us that this is the future India has accepted permanently for Kashmiris.
 
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Israel counter-terrorism bureau warns against travelling to J&K
5 Sep 2008, 0315 hrs IST,PTI

JERUSALEM: Israel's national security council counter-terrorism bureau (CTB) has issued a warning to its nationals to avoid travelling to Jammu and Kashmir and suggesting that those already there should leave at once.

The bureau, in its new travel advisory ahead of the Jewish high holidays when a lot of people travel abroad, has said that threats of terrorist attacks against them in the northern Indian state has "intensified".

The non-binding advisory again calls for caution in view of earlier threats by the leadership of a major Kashmiri terrorist outfit to attack Israelis.

Relatives of Israeli tourists have been advised to brief their kin on the advisory.

According to several international media reports, Israelis form the single largest group of foreign tourists visiting the troubled Indian state.

The CTB has marked Jordan, Egypt, especially Sinai, Yemen, Kashmir and Chechnya among the 'most dangerous places' for Israelis.

Kenya, Oman, Indonesia and Morocco are mentioned as 'dangerous destinations', but not as dangerous.

Israel counter-terrorism bureau warns against travelling to J&K-Gulf-World-The Times of India
 
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You are being a hypocrite

Why don't you in all your wisdom do what you preach....Seriously I did not expect this from you.

since India's and Pakistan's independence was achieved from the British not on the back of a violent militant movement, but primarily from a largely pacifist and political campaign led by the Congress and Jinnah respectively. One could make a similar case with Nelson Mandela's achievement in South Africa -a largely pacifist and political movement.

It was, and is the right way to fight for independence in today's world

Go say this to George Washington.

You mock the plight of the Palestinians, but even in their situation I have argued that the decision to resort to violence was wrong, and that the resort to violence only allows the occupying power to paint them as intolerant violent extremists.

When on earth did I do that, if realism resembles mockery to you, then I can't do anything abot it.

The same with Kashmir - I do not want Pakistan to support a violent insurgency because I do not believe a violent insurgency necessarily offers better results, and it carries the potential to alienate the very people on whose behalf you support violent insurgents.

True, I don't remember saying otherwise.

The results of the last few years of not doing so are clear, as an opportunity (of the Shrine land) allowed the expression of a massive rejection of Indian control and sovereignty. The protests may die down, but the sentiment remains. Lets not forget that the 'lack of protests' and reduction in militancy before the latest protests was the Indian pretext for arguing that there was no popular anti-India sentiment in Kashmir - that has been shown to be hogwash. Now you are attempting to resort to the same old discredited argument.

So a populace getting free lunch suddenly feels threatned(Notice that they came out in mass after Hindus started protests), uses the best possible means(raising azadi) as leverage to ensure that their special status and free lunch continues, suddenly becomes the next intifada. Comeon gimme a break. As usual once they have ensured that the free lunch is available they will go back to their old ways of life. Infact you are doing a great disservice to your and my country's freedom struggle comparing to a few weeks of protests by the largest gathering of xenophobes in the sub continent.

As far as discrditing my argument, I accept that your argument holds water in estoric class room debates but in real world practicality, rationality influence whats credible and whats not.

Where in the partition agreement does it allow the Maharajah to start massacring the people of Kashmir? The invasion by the Tribals was a response to that heavy handed oppression - lets not forget that massacres by both sides were occurring during the migration of millions from each side, that had incited a tremendous amount of hatred on both sides. The majority of the people in 1947 were not from the military, though one Major (at the behest of LAK) attempted an extremely limited attempt to supply the Tribals.

So you took matters into your own hands? Legal systems are not particularly fond of those who take their work in ones own hand. Period

Oh come on, why should I take your version of history to be true.

The UNSC resolutions outlined an agreement based on the conditions of the instrument of accession, and in that sense they were a fresh start, agreed to by both sides. The resort to the UN was so that the dispute could be settled and guilt from past actions assigned, and the result was the resolutions. I have argued the reasons as to why Pakistan eventually resorted to covert attempts, and you haven't answered - here they are again:

Fresh start etc are your perception and opinion of things and the way you see the conditions of the agreement. ultimately whether it was fresh start was subjective in the first place.

When India clearly indicated that it would not adhere to either moral or legal obligations, there was no choice left for Pakistan, but to try the covert option - India, due to her refusal to implement the right of self-determination, is the one that pushed the situation to that point

We struck by what we saw was morally right(perception, subjective) at tat time, heck as I argued previously Gunadgadh and Hyderabad should be immoral(perception) to you as India did not by by exactly the partition rules, which in first place was something forced upon us by the British ie we had to make compramise (both of us) under influence and not under mutual negotiations.
 
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Why don't you in all your wisdom do what you preach....Seriously I did not expect this from you.

Go say this to George Washington.

When on earth did I do that, if realism resembles mockery to you, then I can't do anything abot it.


True, I don't remember saying otherwise.

You haven't argued a single point above - and that is why I detest line by line responses since the part of the post above that you chopped up was all leading to the same point, which was rebutting your argument of 'Let Kashmiris fight for their right to freedom" - 'fighting' does not have to be violent, and I think I have illustrated that suitably with examples, including that of India and Pakistan.
So a populace getting free lunch suddenly feels threatned(Notice that they came out in mass after Hindus started protests), uses the best possible means(raising azadi) as leverage to ensure that their special status and free lunch continues, suddenly becomes the next intifada. Comeon gimme a break. As usual once they have ensured that the free lunch is available they will go back to their old ways of life. Infact you are doing a great disservice to your and my country's freedom struggle comparing to a few weeks of protests by the largest gathering of xenophobes in the sub continent.

As far as discrditing my argument, I accept that your argument holds water in estoric class room debates but in real world practicality, rationality influence whats credible and whats not.

So you took matters into your own hands? Legal systems are not particularly fond of those who take their work in ones own hand. Period

Oh come on, why should I take your version of history to be true.

Fresh start etc are your perception and opinion of things and the way you see the conditions of the agreement. ultimately whether it was fresh start was subjective in the first place.

We struck by what we saw was morally right(perception, subjective) at tat time, heck as I argued previously Gunadgadh and Hyderabad should be immoral(perception) to you as India did not by by exactly the partition rules, which in first place was something forced upon us by the British ie we had to make compramise (both of us) under influence and not under mutual negotiations.
It is a people under occupation being denied their legal and moral right to determine the nation they wish to be a part of that expressed their dislike and rejection of India. The fact that they chose to do so despite the 'free lunch' indicates the degree of animosity towards the occupation.

It is not 'morally right' to come to the assistance of a tyrant massacring his subjects because they had had enough of his dictatorship.

The UN did indeed validate the peoples right to self-determination (because it was a condition of the IoA) in Kashmir, instead of just handing it over to India, and it is not 'my version' of history, read the Kashmir chapter of Owen Bennet Jones's book Pakistan, that is the source of my argument. If I get time I'll post an excerpt.

Esoteric debates in class rooms? The entire gamut of protests and rejection of Indian occupation, killings of unarmed protesters occurred in real life - the only esoteric arguments being bandied about are the ridiculous ones of 'nationalism and civilization'. Mine are based on real events.

It was a fresh start, otherwise India should have refused to agree to the UNSC resolutions, and nothing was forced upon Indian leaders since Indian leaders had no rights to the lands of East and West Pakistan or any other whose people had chosen a separate nation. I have to reiterate, this canard of 'forced upon us' is nothing but a continued denial of Pakistan, since resorting to that argument only indicates that at some future date India can claim Pakistani territory by rejecting the agreement of partition.

What other options did the princely states have after all? Have a dictator sign over his people like chattel or let the people decide which nation, or independence, they desire?
 
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Next steps for Kashmir

The Kashmir issue originated from the accident that the first Prime Minister of India, Jawaharlal Nehru, belonged to Kashmir and was attached to it.

Otherwise, following the illogic of partition, J&K ought to have gone to Pakistan. The division or partition of J&K has become inevitable as contrary to the vision of Jinnah, Pakistan is now an Islamic state and all Hindus and Sikhs have been thrown out from there ( from 20% of population in 1947, the Hindu/Sikhs are less than 1 % today).

India continues to claim Kashmir on two counts, first, in the initial stage in 1947, the Kashmiris did show inclination to be with Pakistan under the influence of Sheikh Abdullah and secondly unlike Pakistan, India did NOT become a Hindu state but remained a secular state. The proportion of Muslims in India has actually gone up from 10% in 1947 to close to 17% today. Unstated Indian argument is that retention of Kashmir in India is necessary for survival of secularism in India.

India lost the Kashmir valley in 1989/90 when in wake of ethnic cleansing; close to 300,000 Hindus (called Pandits) were thrown out of the valley. What the country is facing today is the tragic consequence of that appeasement. The world at large, the Human Rights crusaders and Secularists in India (of all stripes), have been callously blind to the plight of these hapless refugees.

The problem of civic unrest in Kashmir is basically rooted in the lack of economic development. It is true that one does not come across the kind of grinding poverty that one sees in some of the other Indian states, yet the fact is that despite the natural resources, a vast number of Kashmiris are poor.

Unchecked population growth, currently running at 5% per annum with declining death rate has tremendously increased the population pressure on land. Article 370 and in the internal isolationist policy that it engenders, xenophobia instigated by the petty leaders and ineffective administration has resulted in a situation wherein there is a total lack of industrial development. The combined result of these two factors has been that average Kashmiri has seen his standard of living declining over the last two generations.

It is in this situation that some politicians sold the dream of an 'independent ' Kashmir while some claimed Islamization as the solution. With help from across the border the armed struggle began. As a result of visits to the state of Jammu and Kashmir, parts of which are currently witnessing unrest, one realizes that the roots of this unrest lie in the economic underdevelopment of the area. While there is certainly no visible poverty in J&K, of the kind one can witness in many urban areas of India, yet it will be not far from the truth to say that economic development has left J&K virtually untouched. The insular geography, restrictive constitutional provisions, lowering death rate while the birth rate is at 5% and total absence of industry has brought about this situation in J&K. In this atmosphere of stagnation, political leaders and countries across the border sold the dream of better life only if the region attains 'azadi' freedom or merges with Pakistan. World at large is quite content to let India remain in quagmire of internal troubles so that it does not develop its true potential.

On the positive side, in India today we have the technology in agriculture, horticulture and genetic engineering that can revolutionize the agriculture and bring in undreamt of prosperity to the region. It is impossible to undertake this exercise in all of Kashmir as some of the area is in grip of violence. But there are areas of J&K that are currently peaceful and have vast scope for development. The prime candidate being the Jammu division, Kargil and Ladakh. Implementation of projects of this nature will develop the economy and pre-empt any internal trouble. This is a proactive method of dealing with the Kashmir problem.

In whole of J&K army is extensively deployed and virtually the only administrative organ of the Indian State that has a presence. As a part of civic action programme , the Indian Army has been helping the civil population by providing health care, some developmental work like building schools/playgrounds/places of worship et. (Operation Sadbhavana). There are no funds earmarked for this activity and the scale and extent of these operations, an adjunct of the main function of the army, is necessarily limited. Only if the right inputs in terms of technology could be provided, this very action of the Army could become much more meaningful, the role of soldier being more of a catalyst.

The aim is to reward the population of areas that have remained peaceful and loyal to the country, with 'visible' economic development for not having taken to active insurgency operations. This would clearly demonstrate to the people in the Srinagar Valley the loss they have suffered due to joining anti Indian forces, as well as Indian superiority in the field of high technology vis a vis Pakistan, to the people of J & K.

Medium term objectives (2-5 years)

a) Together with the population of Ladakh and the Jammu division to create a pro Indian majority in the state of Jammu and Kashmir.

b) To evolve a technology package for duplicating in the rest of the Himalayan border zones to

i) Improve the living conditions of Infantry soldiers on the border posts.

ii) Preserve fragile Himalayan ecology.

iii) To win over the population by economic development.

c) Spread the various agro-bio-eco technologies to rest of the countryside through Army jawans.

I am aware that this approach will immediately invite howls of protest from the ‘Secularists ‘ as a communal agenda or worse. It needs to be pointed out the 70% Muslim majority districts of Rajouri and Poonch as well as Kargil would also be rewarded under this plan. It is time the Indian state spend the tax payer’s money for pro-India people and not for those who hoist Pakistani flags.

Once the people of valley see the effect of economic development in their neighbourhood, the message would go home. After all Communism collapsed in Eastern Europe not on the issue of so called ‘freedom’ but the visible difference in economic development between Eastern and Western Europe- it is the washing machines and colour TVs or lack of it that made the difference!

The Kashmiri slogan of Azadi is fake, for a Kashmiri enjoys far more religious, economic and freedom of expression than his counterpart in virtually any Islamic country, including Pakistan.

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^^^ The definition of insanity - continuing to do that which hasn't been successful.

We know that Kashmir has had a massive amount of funds poured into it, in fact the term 'free lunch' has been bandied about. The author admits that by any means Kashmir is nowhere close to the poverty stricken regions elsewhere in India, and we know that economic demands were nowhere to be seen during the protests. If there was any correlation between economic development and anti-India sentiment, we wouldn't have seen the largest protests in decades occur, since the economic situation is far better and the region far less prone to violence than before.

Yet the same old arguments of 'we need more development' are bandied about.

The author says:

"The Kashmiri slogan of Azadi is fake, for a Kashmiri enjoys far more religious, economic and freedom of expression than his counterpart in virtually any Islamic country, including Pakistan."


An again the superficial and intellectually dishonest canard of "Kashmirs have freedom' is raised - it has been argued and debunked already.

Freedom is not about being part of a secular country or a trillion dollar economy - Freedom is about only accepting the sovereignty of an entity that one respects and one wishes to owe allegiance to. That freedom, guaranteed in the Instrument of Accession and the UNSC resolutions, is what has been denied Kashmiris.
 
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