Kashmir Solidarity Day: 5 February !!

[Bang Galore]

Discussions on Kashmir will get us nowhere. One has to seriously consider what options exist for Pakistan. Those Pakistanis that are vehemently against India & Indians/Hindus for ideological/religious reasons will not settle for a compromise on Kashmir. In any case, I see no point in compromising with such people. The others who are more realistic & more open to a settlement with India realise that India is not about to hand them on a plate what Pakistan could not achieve through force. The only settlement possible will be open borders, free movement of people, more autonomy & the like. Even those Pakistanis who are more inimical to India realise that Pakistan cannot hope to win a war with India (even if they don't lose). As a status quo power & with no real chance of any pressure on it, India holds the cards that it needs so as to not lose on the Kashmir dispute. What then are Pakistan's options? Help "freedom fighters/terrorists" some more? Been there, done that, hasn't worked. Even Pakistanis realise that apart from the moral issues of such incidents like Mumbai, it also opens up Pakistan for a similar type of retaliation. Does Pakistan really need an India hell bent on supporting "freedom fighters/terrorists" within Pakistan? Regardless of the outcome, Pakistan will be no closer to obtaining Kashmir & would probably be in a bigger mess than it is in now. Pakistan may also actually face serious pressure (as opposed to imaginary now) on its water if India determines that Pakistan is crossing some kind of a line How exactly is that going to help Pakistan? International pressure as an option? Considering Pakistan's present relations with the west, elephants are more likely to fly before that happens.

Pakistan's options on Kashmir are simply very limited. Anyone suggesting otherwise is living in cloud cuckoo land.

 

[American Pakistani]

Yeah...? that's interesting. Actually we do; simply because they are no different from us.

WHat, lol, who told u that? Kashmiris are Pakistanis culturally, geographically, religiously, linguistically, ethnically, historically, etc etc. So they are part of Pakistan illegally occupied by india.

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Discussions on Kashmir will get us nowhere. One has to seriously consider what options exist for Pakistan. Those Pakistanis that are vehemently against India & Indians/Hindus for ideological/religious reasons will not settle for a compromise on Kashmir. In any case, I see no point in compromising with such people. The others who are more realistic & more open to a settlement with India realise that India is not about to hand them on a plate what Pakistan could not achieve through force. The only settlement possible will be open borders, free movement of people, more autonomy & the like. Even those Pakistanis who are more inimical to India realise that Pakistan cannot hope to win a war with India (even if they don't lose). As a status quo power & with no real chance of any pressure on it, India holds the cards that it needs so as to not lose on the Kashmir dispute. What then are Pakistan's options? Help "freedom fighters/terrorists" some more? Been there, done that, hasn't worked. Even Pakistanis realise that apart from the moral issues of such incidents like Mumbai, it also opens up Pakistan for a similar type of retaliation. Does Pakistan really need an India hell bent on supporting "freedom fighters/terrorists" within Pakistan? Regardless of the outcome, Pakistan will be no closer to obtaining Kashmir & would probably be in a bigger mess than it is in now. Pakistan may also actually face serious pressure on ots wate How exactly is that going to help Pakistan? International pressure as an option? Considering Pakistan's present relations with the west, elephants are more likely to fly before that happens.

Pakistan's options on Kashmir are simply very limited. Anyone suggesting otherwise is living in cloud cuckoo land.

There are only two solutions, one is Chenab Formula & second is Free Indepandant Kashmir.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

the Kashmir Issue needs to be raised on all political and social plateforums of the world.

the Issue needs to be highlighted like Palestine.

and people should know crimes Indians are committing in Kashmir with the Kashmiris.

It is a matter of grave concern for us that early the Indians get out of Kashmir, the better.

the whole region can achieve peace and prosperity if the issue is solved, a serious change of mindset in the indians is required for positive development in this regard.

Freedom for Kashmir !!

Indeed

what we see is the biggest state terrorism in the shape of Indian occupation of Kashmir. this issue has not gone away from the force of the gun and the resilience and sacrifices of Kashmiris is exemplary .

It is a fact that Kashmiri people have been oppressed under the brutal Indian occupation and there have been wide spread human rights violations. In the recent times due to the world focus on international terrorism of Al Qaeda and the American invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, India has been successfully able to suppress the Kashmiri dissent if that wasn’t enough, the American warming up towards India to use it as a counterweight against China has meant that the American leadership that never tires giving morality lectors to Zimbabwe, North Korea, China, Syria and Iran etc would look the other way when the issue of Kashmir is raised.

But looking towards world powers for a just and peaceful settlement that only benefit’s the affected people is a lost cause because the world powers never operate on such principles.

Its up to the people of Pakistan and India to .convince their respective leadership to approach a peaceful and honourable solution according to aspirations of the Kashmiri people. It might appear that one side or another is backing away from this stubborn claim but in the end the Kashmir will be still there. The people of Kashmir will still be there to trade and interact with both countries and Kashmir will need both countries to do commerce and progress. That is only possible from the farsightedness and political maturity which will only bring benefits to over a billion people of this region.

 

[American Pakistani]

That's plain silly. You suggested a compromise as per your wishes, I said that is not acceptable to India. Did you get the permission of Kashmiris to offer that compromise? If not, you were merely stating your wish & I was pointing out that as we are not interested, that wish may kindly be directly sent to the nearest dustbin.

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Err.. we are not discussing your equivalent of a Santa Claus wish list, merely your ability to seriously influence the course of events to get what you desire.

You call it wish or whatever but it is demand of Kashmiris. Well there is third option too & that is to solve Kashmir according to UN resolution i.e giving Kashmiris right to choose Pakistan, become indepandant or join india.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

You call it wish or whatever but it is demand of Kashmiris. Well there is third option too & that is to solve Kashmir according to UN resolution i.e giving Kashmiris right to choose Pakistan, become indepandant or join india.

it is very disappointing when the people of the biggest democracy makes fun of UN resolutions calling them irrelevant just like that oaf for a president Bush who decided to invade Iraq despite the opposition in general assembly and called it irrelevant.

you will aslo see the Indians only talking about Kashmir, not the Kashmiris, they dont care what the people of that place are saying. just because they got a million troops in Kashmir they think it gives them the right and then they also want to be recognised as the biggest democracy.
some democracy that is.

in the end it has to be realised that its not what Pakistan or India want but what the people of Kashmir want. the UN recognised it, Nehru promised it and that thats a fact. if its been a long time then that doesnt mean that it doesnt matter now because it does for the people of Kashmir.

 

[Bang Galore]

You call it wish or whatever but it is demand of Kashmiris. Well there is third option too & that is to solve Kashmir according to UN resolution i.e giving Kashmiris right to choose Pakistan, become indepandant or join india.

More wishes! Asked you what Pakistan can do to influence events in Kashmir & all we get are more wishes & some whining.

 

[Bang Galore]

it is very disappointing when the people of the biggest democracy makes fun of UN resolutions calling them irrelevant just like that oaf for a president Bush who decided to invade Iraq despite the opposition in general assembly and called it irrelevant.

you will aslo see the Indians only talking about Kashmir, not the Kashmiris, they dont care what the people of that place are saying. just because they got a million troops in Kashmir they think it gives them the right and then they also want to be recognised as the biggest democracy.
some democracy that is.

in the end it has to be realised that its not what Pakistan or India want but what the people of Kashmir want. the UN recognised it, Nehru promised it and that thats a fact. if its been a long time then that doesnt mean that it doesnt matter now because it does for the people of Kashmir.

What's this? Why whine? After all, isn't the very purpose of your 'solidarity day' to rant against the 'evil Indians'? We do not care for your certificates on our democracy nor are we very interested in proving our 'greatness' to Pakistan by doing what you wish us to do. We are talking practical solutions if there are any. Pipe dreams are obviously not about to be entertained. If it is only the concern of Kashmiris, then you have no locus standi here. That is then an issue for the GoI & Kashmiris to sort out. If you are involved, then it is a territorial dispute & the solution will have to be found that is mutually acceptable but one that won't change the status quo in any significant manner.

 

[American Pakistani]

More wishes! Asked you what Pakistan can do to influence events in Kashmir & all we get are more wishes & some whining.

WTH man can't you get it straight in your head that Pakistan does not want influence in Kashmir but solution & freedom of Kashmir according to Kashmiris wish.

You feel insecure cuz you know very well that if given option Kashmiris will join Pakistan or vote for indepandance.

 

[foxbat]

Indeed

Its up to the people of Pakistan and India to .convince their respective leadership to approach a peaceful and honourable solution according to aspirations of the Kashmiri people. It might appear that one side or another is backing away from this stubborn claim but in the end the Kashmir will be still there. The people of Kashmir will still be there to trade and interact with both countries and Kashmir will need both countries to do commerce and progress. That is only possible from the farsightedness and political maturity which will only bring benefits to over a billion people of this region.

You will be hard press to find a sizable chunk of idiots in India who are not able to see thru this charade of Pakistan about Kashmirs' rights and the other lies Pakistan regularly tries to peddle (though unsuccessfully) to further its agenda on the Kashmir issue. Hand on heart, its a contest between India and Pakistan on a strategic piece of Land and control of Rivers. Rest everything else is a fat load of BS.. Plain and simple.

 

[Bang Galore]

WTH man can't you get it straight in your head that Pakistan does not want influence in Kashmir but solution & freedom of Kashmir according to Kashmiris wish.

You feel insecure cuz you know very well that if given option Kashmiris will join Pakistan or vote for indepandance.

If that was the case, why did you suggest the Chenab formula? I repeat, we do not care for your wishes nor are we going to do what you might wish us to do. My point is simple, we are okay with the status quo & don't feel the need to change it. Where does that leave you? You might end up doing this solidarity business for another 60 years & it still wouldn't get you anywhere. All you can do is post some pics & videos. We will continue keeping the real thing. I think we will be more than okay with that.

 

[American Pakistani]

If that was the case, why did you suggest the Chenab formula? I repeat, we do not care for your wishes nor are we going to do what you might wish us to do. My point is simple, we are okay with the status quo & don't feel the need to change it. Where does that leave you? You might end up doing this solidarity business for another 60 years & it still wouldn't get you anywhere. All you can do is post some pics & videos. We will continue keeping the real thing. I think we will be more than okay with that.

wow you seems to be complete ignorent. i told you Pakistan wants Kashmir to be solved according to wish of Kashmiris & nobody cares about what india says or think. keep dreaming.

 

[American Pakistani]

And who gives two hoots about what Pakistan wants on Kashmir..

Whole world, that's why it is still considered as disputed territory.

 

[rockstarIN]

wow you seems to be complete ignorent. i told you Pakistan wants Kashmir to be solved according to wish of Kashmiris & nobody cares about what india says or think. keep dreaming.

In fact you are dreaming and we have the real thing..

Many many happy returns of the day for the , what soever called, DAY.

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Whole world, that's why it is still considered as disputed territory.

The whole world looking at you and screaming its a ..... nation, cant you hear?

 

[American Pakistani]

Lots of people have sympathy for people of Kashmir. Can you ever think once what if India tak a similiar stance on Bal ucistan as tit for tat?

Anyways we do not want Pakistan again suffered and lose nukes to wrong hands.

you are betting your children's future for some piece of land, which practicaly you will never get

MODS PLEASE TAKE ACTION.

WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING ABOUT BALOCHISTAN, KHALISTAN, WEST BENGAL, etc etc.

 

[Bang Galore]

wow you seems to be complete ignorent. i told you Pakistan wants Kashmir to be solved according to wish of Kashmiris & nobody cares about what india says or think. keep dreaming.

You should be well advised that if you are going to charge some one with being ignorant, a good start would be correct spelling.

As for not caring what India thinks, that is really great. A Pakistani idea to solve Kashmir without involving India? Going to limit your solution to Pakistani controlled Kashmir, are you? Wonderful !