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[MilesTogo]

I think time is right to free Kashmiris and not just Kashmiris but all the Muslims in India. Indians should seriously start thinking about a second partition and free all muslims.

 

[Awesome]

I think time is right to free Kashmiris and not just Kashmiris but all the Muslims in India. Indians should seriously start thinking about a second partition and free all muslims.

Is that a subtle hint that you'd free Kashmiris and not Kashmir?

I have to ask since some Indians have suggested this ridiculous notion that Indians will keep Kashmir kicking out the Kashmiris

 

[Awesome]

With all the human rights violation baggage the India has accumulated in their relationship with Kashmir, a Kashmiri independence is the only option. They'll never really become Indians.

 

[Awesome]

Indian HR activists condemn shielding of Shopian culprits | Kashmir Media Service

The world is asleep. They have no conscience. Such incidents now running well into the thousands are ignored by the world over. They want to liberate Iraq, Afghanistan... And want to reward the criminals of Kashmir.

Indian HR activists condemn shielding of Shopian culprits

Srinagar, August 28 (KMS): In occupied Kashmir, a six member Delhi-based team of lawyers, human rights activists, journalists and doctors has said that rape and murder incident of Aasiya Jan and Neelofar Jan in Shopian has shaken them.The fact-finding team comprising Uma Chakarwarti, Usha Ramarathan, Varindra Grover, Heema Mishra, Dr Achita and Anuradha Bhasin visited and sympathised with the bereaved family of the victims.

Concerned over the delayed justice to the family, a member of the team said, “Attempts that were made by authorities to shield the culprits are condemnable. We are collecting facts into the incident, as we want to do our bit to help the family get justice. The facts we have collected so far clearly indicate that there is a hand of uniformed men into the incident. This incident has shaken us."

In order to collect facts about the incident, the team met the Bar Association of Shopian, Majlis-i-Mashawrat and two key witnesses. The team besides visiting the crime spot enquired in detail about the incident and the events that followed it.

A member of the Majlis who led the 46-day-long agitation for justice to the family of victims said, "The team is on a fact-finding mission into the incident and will brief the media on Saturday in Srinagar." He said that the team members expressed dissatisfaction over the investigations conducted by the authorities-sponsored Muzaffar Jan commission and Special Investigation Team of police.

 

[Halaku Khan]

Halaku, what about this? The official word from the people actually investigating the issue:

In this case the men who abducted the principal were armed. So it does suggest a militant connection.

But it is true that separatists are not always militants. Take Geelani, for example. But they do represent the most talibanized elements of society. That is why they have not condemned the beating up of the college principal. They are certainly very active in rabble-rousing whenever they think they can embarrass the police or security forces. But they don't dare to contest the elections, for fear of having their hollowness exposed.

 

[MilesTogo]

Is that a subtle hint that you'd free Kashmiris and not Kashmir?

I have to ask since some Indians have suggested this ridiculous notion that Indians will keep Kashmir kicking out the Kashmiris

Read carefully - I said "partition".

 

[hembo]

Autonomy to Gilgit-Baltistan is a joke: Pakistani Kashmiri leader
Tue, Sep 1 10:22 AM

Srinagar, Sep 1 (IANS) Islamabad's move to give 'greater political autonomy' to the Northern Areas by renaming the region Gilgit-Baltistan and giving it the powers of a federal province is 'nothing but a little joke', says a separatist leader in Pakistan- administered Jammu and Kashmir.

On Saturday, the Pakistan cabinet approved the Gilgit-Baltistan Empowerment and Self Governance Order, 2009, that empowers the local assembly to elect its chief minister; the Pakistan president will appoint a governor for the region adjoining Jammu and Kashmir that was earlier under the direct control of Islamabad.

Like other provinces, the assembly will, however, have no control over defence and treasury.

'We outrightly reject this so called governance order 2009 for Gilgit Baltistan. It is nothing but a little joke to the people of this region and the state of Jammu (and) Kashmir,' Jammu and Kashmir National Awami Party (JKNAP) president Liaqat Hayyat told IANS in an email interview.

The JKNAP is a separatist political outfit based in Muzaffarabad, the capital of Pakistan-administered Kashmir or 'Azad' Jammu and Kashmir, the other part of Kashmir that is under Islamabad's control.

'After 63 years of deprivation of basic human rights, Pakistan's decision to change the name of the local administration and creation of the authority of chief minister and governor indicates that this region would be a province of the country,' Hayyat said.

The Shia Muslim-dominated region, seen as part of its Jammu and Kashmir state by India, has seen a separatist movement gaining momentum over the past few years.

Alarmingly low literacy levels, the absence of industry, deplorable road and communication links, the lack of energy sources, and the lack of job opportunities have fuelled the resentment and rebellion amongst the people in the region -- which was part of Jammu and Kashmir before Pakistan militarily occupied some parts of the erstwhile princely state in 1948.

Islamabad's move to grant it autonomy to address the simmering discontent has serious implications for the 'disputed' territoriality of Jammu and Kashmir.

'It is a totally unconstitutional decision. Pakistan has absolutely no authority over the region to decide the fate of the two million people of disputed Jammu and Kashmir. It is a violation of the UN resolution which has only mandated temporary administrative authority over this region till the Kashmir dispute is resolved between India and Pakistan,' said Hayat.

He said Pakistan was making 'an attempt to strengthen (its) occupation over the region and it is not acceptable to any one in the region or any patriotic Kashmiri'.

'This expansionist policy of the Pakistani state must be resisted,' he said.

'This region has not been part of Pakistani state; nor have people of this region ever decided to join Pakistan.

'Pakistani rulers are behaving like colonial powers in the region and imposing their own institutions against the popular will of the people of this unfortunate region. It is condemnable and shameful... The JKNAP will continue its struggle and resist occupation of Kashmir,' he added.

The JKNAP has called for protest Tuesday all over Pakistan-administered Kashmir cities and towns.

Also known as the Karakoram region, Gilgit-Baltistan spreads from Shinaki Kohistan to Chitral (in Pakistan) up to Tashkurgan (under Chinese occupation) and from Ladakh to Kargil in India.

When British rule came to an end in 1947, the region was conquered by Pakistan in 1948 tribal raids. Pakistan later 'gifted' a part of the territory towards the extreme north to China.

Stringent laws make the region inaccessible to foreigners and there are few media reports from the region.

(Sarwar Kashani can be contacted at s.kashani@ians.in)

Sarwar Kashani

 

[Spitfighter]

This needs to be publicized throughout the country especially in J&K. These guys need to exposed for the ignorant bastards that they are. We need to catch these self righteous 'people' and make them sorry they were born. This moral policing nonsense should have no place in our country.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

This moral policing nonsense should have no place in our country.

The morality argument has been long gone in the context of India's occupation of Kashmir - ever since the Indian leadership chose to unilaterally integrate Kashmir into India and deny the Kashmiris the right to self determination, as expressed in the UNSC resolutions and committed to by India and her leadership.

Anyway, back to topic.

 

[humblehobbes]

^^^ Excuse me! Every time you talk about Kashmir, you bring in UNSC Resolutions. I see no talk about UNSC preconditions for Plebiscite!!!! Care to comment on it ?

 

[afriend]

The morality argument has been long gone in the context of India's occupation of Kashmir - ever since the Indian leadership chose to unilaterally integrate Kashmir into India and deny the Kashmiris the right to self determination, as expressed in the UNSC resolutions and committed to by India and her leadership.

Anyway, back to topic.

If some people think that india is morally wrong in condemning any extrimsim and taking action against any wrong thing thats happening in our country, i would say they too will not be in a position to preach. So lets focus on the subject topic here.

 

[Spitfighter]

The morality argument has been long gone in the context of India's occupation of Kashmir - ever since the Indian leadership chose to unilaterally integrate Kashmir into India and deny the Kashmiris the right to self determination, as expressed in the UNSC resolutions and committed to by India and her leadership.

Anyway, back to topic.

Well, if Pakistan could have controlled the 'non state actors' from the tribal regions back in '47 we wouldn't have come to this and if we did, then India would clearly be the aggressor.

Pakistan has violated several treaties itself, so lets get off the high horse shall we.

Also, if tomorrow, as was the case with the nuclear deal, India is 'allowed' to have nuclear weapons and Pakistan isn't, since you guys are all about following the law in Pakistan, would you give up your nukes?

I believe that we should settle the issue, I don't want to get into it on this thread. Kindly refer to my comment here:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/kashmi...i-honest-indian-perspective-9.html#post464118

and here

http://www.defence.pk/forums/kashmi...i-honest-indian-perspective-9.html#post464315


anyways, this is a law enforcement issue. These people have no right to go around telling what other people to do. They can't decide if girls should wear hijabs or not, that's up to the girls themselves. This crap won't fly in India. Some jokers tried to ban jeans earlier, they were put in their place rather quickly.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

^^^ Excuse me! Every time you talk about Kashmir, you bring in UNSC Resolutions. I see no talk about UNSC preconditions for Plebiscite!!!! Care to comment on it ?

Already commented upon in the UNSC resolutions sticky - read that.

 

[IndiaNews98]

Sad. These fundamentalist should be chased away from Kashmir.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

If some people think that india is morally wrong in condemning any extrimsim and taking action against any wrong thing thats happening in our country, i would say they too will not be in a position to preach. So lets focus on the subject topic here.

What does any of that have to do with my point?

I am merely pointing out that spitfighters argument about 'not being restrained by moral policing' doesn't really matter since the entire Indian position on Kashmir, in denying the right of self-determination, is immoral.