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[RobbieS]

At the height of terrorism in Punjab, KPS Gill is said to have remarked that it was a battle between Jutt Sikhs. As a Jutt Sikh—those who sneer at such categorisation live in an India that exists only in their imagination—I can only add that Punjab is still part of the Indian State because there were an overwhelming number of Jutt Sikhs who felt that the Idea of India was worth defending.

Cant agree more with the above extract. As a Jatt Sikh myself, I have often been split between two half of my community. But usually after careful reflection I have found myself in India's side of the fence rather than Khalistan's. And the author correctly point out the key difference between the action in Punjab vs. the one in Kashmir. In Punjab, the Punjab Police led by a Jatt Sikh and made up 75% of Jatt Sikhs led counter-insurgency operations against a Khalistani cadre more than 90% made up of Jatt Sikhs themselves. This fight within the community itself led to the realization of the futility of the conflict.

Unfortunately this hasn't been the case in Kashmir. The J&K Police though increasingly active has been overruled by the Center and controlled has inevitably passed to the Army. This suggests that the root alienation has still not been addressed as the Army cannot trust the local Police for taking care of Operations. And as further use of Central forces is going to inclrease alienation its best to address this root cause by talks. We have tried force and it hasnt helped.

Lets take the other course now. Lets even discuss the issue of Azadi if that brings every separatist to the table. Lets send a signal to all others fighting the Union that you dont necessarily have to use violence to make us listen. We are willing to talk if you are too. Azadi might not be possible, due to political, geographic and ethnic reasons but at least if talking about it helps soothe some pain, lets do it.

 

[RobbieS]

We have no problem with not being called "azad" kashmir........and we would be proud to become another province of pakistan.
Make azad kashmir a province of pakistan...thats what the kashmiris want and demand.

So much for Azadi!

 

[somebozo]

Kashmir is not going anywhere else than independence....we want freedom!

 

[roach]

Kashmir is not going anywhere else than independence....we want freedom!

'We'? Are you an Indian Kashmiri by any chance????

 

[NoEscape]

Kashmir is not going anywhere else than independence....we want freedom!

Try and contribute something constructive for Kashmir if you have the ability and be a good neighbor. Rather then chest thumping & beating Deadwood.

 

[majesticpankaj]

Kashmir is not going anywhere else than independence....we want freedom!

ok...as you wish. just tell us the date and timing so that we can wrap our luggage.

 

[Ganga]

you attacked Kashmir first, then we went for Junagarh.so,basically you gave us idea 'to attack princely states if they are not with you'.

A slight correction here.We didn't go for Junagarh,the PM of Junagarh Shah Nawaz Bhutto the father of Z A Bhutto gave it to us.We did not attack any princely state other than Hyderabad.

 

[Urbanized Greyhound]

all we get to hear are about "concessions" and "economic packages" and so on.....how about some stern action for once...?....bringing the instigators of the deadly riots to book....Geelani and his colleagues responsible for the avoidable deaths for so many innocents on the streets..... this government is as weak kneed as can be when national crises arise......

 

[NoEscape]

all we get to hear are about "concessions" and "economic packages" and so on.....how about some stern action for once...?....bringing the instigators of the deadly riots to book....Geelani and his colleagues responsible for the avoidable deaths for so many innocents on the streets..... this government is as weak kneed as can be when national crises arise......

Agree..... Charge them & Hang them for once and all for instigating teenagers to commit suicide. And also, for mass murder of Non-Muslims for ages in the valley.

 

[Urbanized Greyhound]

well ...technically J&K as a state acceded to us....pakistan chose to attack....not us....as far as "self determination" is concerned what about the "self determination" of Kashmiri pandits ? or perhaps it is "selective self determination" that is being refered to here....

 

[GentlemanObserver]

We are not the ones desperate to break the status quo my friend! It suits us fine.

Come on now... Lets not blow our own trumpets too quickly shall we... Self Service is the poorest form of flattery.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

It is. For me atleast just because we can maintain the status quo is an insufficient reason to continue doing so. This voilence has to stop not just for the sake of any singular or multiple identities but for the sake of humanity.

First step as mentioned is Listeing and second understanding. Not much sense can be made when the face explaining the situation is red with anger and froth spitting out. If we can not make sense of what they do want better start working of what they defenitely do not want. I am not sure how many of us would be overtly pleased while living under curfew for weeks at streach. For holding out ID cards at demand while kneeling down in an open field.

Trust has to begin somewhere and then only it can be expected to be reciprocated. The bigger question of how to begin this cycle is currently beyond me but people wiser and in authoratitive positions have to come up with the answer if we aspire to continue to hold dear this idea of inclusiveness.

we already have secular system with positive discriminations towards minorities.besides that kashmiris enjoy lot more special benefits.Still if they say...
what they do not want is army presence in living areas - well army can be kept in border areas only.rest should be given to kashmiri police men.
if they want jobs,development,etc - we can give them

if they want greater autonomy - we may give them withing the frames of our constitution.
if they want independent kashmir - no way we can give them.
if they want islamic laws in state -no way we can give them.
they will have to cooperate with security checks,show id cards, because they are not aliens they must know there is terrorists both inside and from out side.it is for their own and nations safety.if govt bans sms service they should understand that it is for national security.
FREEDOM IS NOT ABSOLUTE FREEDOM IT IS CONDITIONAL.THEY TOO HAVE RESPONSIBILITY TOWARDS NATION AND THEIR FELLOW CITIZEN.

 

[GentlemanObserver]

He can write that sitting in his ac office because that bsf guy is the one who face the shots. You should give him a gun and put in the middle of bullets to see how he distinguish a boy in the crowd coming to kill you then.

You totally missed the purpose of the article.

 

[InPhilTraitor]

The idea of India while remarkable will fail due to its inherent nature of dual identity. One regional and one national. Eventually people will be forced to choose sides when higher developed states called the lower ones liability and the lowers ones retaliate with accusations of encroachment.

Actually it is not a failure. India is certainly a Success, but always felt short of its potential. Yes, there are insurgencies, but the Congress-style of governance.. every thing from New Delhi has alienated different sections of people. The further solution is implementation of "local governing bodies" with both economic and political power backing them.

We are long way to go for Rich vs Poor states fight, it can happen in a generations time that is we have about 20 years for that.

 

[Spring Onion]

The idea of India??????????? Kashmir does not conform to the idea of India in the first place. Kashmir is NOT part of India hence NO question of bringing Kashmir as Indian entity to put forward idea of India.

rather the Indian writers, bloggers should focus their attention on Indian NorthEast infested with insurgencies, rather Indians should focus on how Maoists, Naxals and others come into equation of this losing Idea of India.


End of this flawed idea presented by the Indian writer according to Indian point of view.

Kashmir is Separate country occupied by India