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Well, Indian should stop singing the song of democracy, when since 48 7 lakh of Indian army sitting their. Where the ratio of indian army and population is 10:1. Pakistan never singing the song of shining democracy.
In only one place in whole world where there is " Draconian law" made by British is still in Indian occupied state of Assam. Where Army is not question for their action.
 
as we have lost kashmir so pls for god's sake, pls dont talk about it anymore. thanks
Tsk-tsk. Better to negotiate security arrangements with Pakistan before the referendum, rather than afterward. At the very least you'll want to avoid such horrible scenes from separation days as when Pakistan and India traded railroad cars filled with the severed heads of Muslims from one side, and Hindus on the other.
 
The main problem in Kashmir is definitely pakistan sponsored islamic terrorism which in turn necessitates stationing of troops which in turn sometimes leads to human rights violation.But the second big problem is the Indian political establishment. Unbridled Corruption,severe myopia and power-grabbing has brought kashmir to this sad situation.People there being mostly uneducated and mis-informed compounds the problem. Things can be cooled down by eliminating quite a few politicians both in Delhi and Srinagar and the separatists.The earn their living in India, gets everything, wants Indian passports for their children but incites kashmiris against the country and takes orders from masters in Islamabad.
Blaming Pakistan for everything as a way of ducking responsibility and not accounting for their mess is a forte of Indian politicians. Next they will blame Pakistan for the bad roads in your locality
 
In only one place in whole world where there is " Draconian law" made by British is still in Indian occupied state of Assam. Where Army is not question for their action.
can u rephrase this please. Didn't make much sense. Draconian??? Assam occupied???
 
Tsk-tsk. Better to negotiate security arrangements with Pakistan before the referendum, rather than afterward. At the very least you'll want to avoid such horrible scenes from separation days as when Pakistan and India traded railroad cars filled with the severed heads of Muslims from one side, and Hindus on the other.
lol...U really don't know us do you....referrendum? yeah that's gonna happen!! The Indian security establishment will be of the opinion that the best way to solve the problem is to make certain 'states' in the neighborhood disappear all together. There are enuf people wanting 'self determination' over there too.
 
Well, Indian should stop singing the song of democracy, when since 48 7 lakh of Indian army sitting their. Where the ratio of indian army and population is 10:1. Pakistan never singing the song of shining democracy.
In only one place in whole world where there is " Draconian law" made by British is still in Indian occupied state of Assam. Where Army is not question for their action.

SO what exactly are we talking about here....Indian Occupied Kashmir or Indian Occupied Assam.?:undecided:
 
Sigh..India has not lost Kashmir..never will...It cant ..it wont...

If it ever does -- then India will find it difficult to exist -- why ? Because every state will ask for its own fiefdom and independence....People who are alienated will just have to feel that way till they cease to exist....If you want to call us occupational force - Fine !! But after some time , maybe 50 odd years down the line , the line will blur between a occupational force and my own nation !! Hope def.pk is around then , and i am posting on it then..
 
63 years and waiting...for this to happen. I don't know how many people are going to go through these useless motions all over again when the facts at the ground level state that Kashmir is firmly under the grip of India. Given the terrain it is impossible to win over kashmir either Pakistan part or Indian part. People should come off from their wet dreams and delusions and see the ground realities for themselves.
 
Six hurt in fresh Indian Kashmir clashes

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(AFP) – 10 hours ago

SRINAGAR, India — Six people were hurt Sunday when police fired pump action shotguns at stone-throwing protesters in Kashmir, where more than 60 people have died during anti-India protests.

Police said the incident took place in Srinagar, the main town in Indian Kashmir, when police were conducting a flag march.

"Some miscreants pelted stones heavily on the police. The police used (teargas) and pump action ammunition to chase them away," a police statement said, adding that six people were hurt. Doctors said one was in a critical condition.

Witnesses said the police used force on worshippers who were coming out of a mosque and that there was no stone pelting.

Tensions have been threatening to boil over during two months of demonstrations with 62 protesters and bystanders -- some as young as nine -- killed in the Muslim-majority region where anti-India feelings run deep.

The scenic region has been under rolling curfews to contain protests that began with the killing June 11 of a teenage student by a police teargas shell in Srinagar.

The protests have confronted India's government with one of its biggest domestic crises as it grapples with how to calm tensions in the mountainous region once known as "Switzerland of the East".

Security forces sealed off neighbourhoods with barbed wire and put up road blockades on Sunday in Srinagar, the main city of Indian Kashmir where an insurgency against New Delhi's rule has been underway for two decades.

Militant violence has declined sharply in the region but popular protests against New Delhi's rule have intensified over the past two years.

Protesters opposed to Indian rule in Kashmir have clashed with police on an almost daily basis during the last two months, leading to the worst violence in the region in more than two years.

AFP: Six hurt in fresh Indian Kashmir clashes
 
roza toot jata hai agar pathar pankhein

obviously they cant have been throwing.
 
Sigh..India has not lost Kashmir..never will...It cant ..it wont...
I think you are missing the crux of the story. It clearly hasn't lost Kashmir territorially, it's spelling out that the GoI has lost the people of Kashmir (the Valley that is).

In fairness, it's pertinent to ask if they were ever onside. The events of the past two months have only widened the disconnect between the two, and it's now in a incredibly delicate state.

What is important to understand is that this is another young generation that is protesting, another generation with hatred steeped in their blood. That spells trouble for now and the future. Any feeling of belonging to the Union is as remote as it ever has been.

The security forces represent the tricolour, they represent India, and for that reason alone, they cannot bring themselves to say they're Indian, never really have done, and the events of the past three summers only reinforces that feeling.

I think that's a fair summary of what is being said.
 
You mean another generation you have managed to indoctrinate with vile hatred?
Yes, Pakistani's are standing at every street corner in Srinagar, in Baramullah, in Sopore with megaphones, screaming away and indoctrinating the people. Bad Pakistani's, naughty Pakistani's.

Your head in the sand mentality isn't going to change the mindset of the protesters / seperatists. But you're more than happy to go ahead with that attitude, rather than finding a solution to the problems.

I've got to go now, need to load up another crate of those stones to have parcelled across the LoC. Will make sure I slip in a few notes to 'indoctrinate' the masses too. Can't leave them out, they're so crucial.

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IBNLive : Paarull's Blog : Kashmir and Palestine

We're in Jerusalem. "I'm from Kashmir", our journalist friend makes his first tentative approach to a couple of Palestinian men. "You pray for us, we'll pray for you", they reply. The conversation is over. The Palestinians are in no mood for a chat.

I'm not a party to this conversation but our group of Indian journalists has a quick laugh when it's relayed to us. So much for `solidarity to the cause'. But I also sense the frustration lurking behind that remark.

I see frustration when I'm at Aida (the word is Arabic for Return). It's a Palestinian refugee camp in Bethlehem city, West Bank. Young kids, some not older than 8 or 9, are filling water trickling out from a rusty tap. Our guide says they stay thirsty for days because Israel controls the supply and chooses to consume a bulk of the water, leaving very little for the Palestinians. Even discounting for propaganda, living in a camp for as long as you can remember can't be fun. (The Kashmiri Pandits will tell you the same, by the way).

I see a school with no window panes, it's boarded up on one side. The refugees worry about Israeli missiles blasting through the glass, hurting their kids. The camp has no tent - it long ago made way for Lajpat Nagar-like hovels, a family to a room, shared among lots of brothers and sisters. Karim, who shows us around, points to "those nice buildings at the top of the mountain. They are the Israeli settlers who came to steal our lands. Each family has an apartment". I smell despair.

And then there's the Wall that cuts through their homes, villages and factories - and the Israeli Defence Forces at every checkpoint. Frisking for a belt packed with explosives.

For Israelis, the wall is an anti-terror fence which has successfully kept many suicide bombers away, beginning 2003. There were only 614 attempts at suicide bombing last year, the government says proudly. For the Palestinians, the wall/fence is a visible symbol of occupation. It's also a major source of inconvenience for those who travel within West Bank and to Jerusalem and back. They ask, "If Israel needs it, why don't they build it on their side?".

Both are right.

I'm in the occupied territories the week Kashmir is on the boil. It makes me think of the Kashmiris who're out getting shot by the men in khakhi. Even in the rest of India, a Kashmiri risks being frisked more than the rest of us. For some others, a Kashmiri is a suspected terrorist - until proven innocent.

I see the similarities in the narrative of Palestine and Kashmir.

Yes, there are similarities even though 'azadi' for Kashmir is not on the table - while Israel recognises the Palestinians' right to a nation. There are similarities even though status quo will likely be a final solution for the Kashmir problem (i.e Pakistan keeps *** and India keeps what it has) while Israel will eventually pull out from West Bank.

I see similarities not just because India is being embarrassed by Kashmir and Israel is being embarrassed by Gaza. But because I hear the same words over and over again - dignity, humiliation, occupation, terrorism, militancy, rage, anger, human rights violations.

Both are conflicts over land, with water now creeping into the discourse. Blood spilled - of countless innocents - and of 'martyrs' and brave soldiers. Both Israel and India are prickly about UN involvement. And both India and Israel lack a credible peace partner on the other side. Israel is unable to do business with Hamas -- because Hamas is either unwilling to or unable to control terror from Gaza which is under its control. It's radicalized. And it's resolutely opposed to Israel's existence. India faces the same problem with Pakistan. Elements within its Army are determined to sponsor terrorism, determined to break India up as revenge for Bangladesh.

But most importantly perhaps, parties to both conflicts are guilty of perpetuating them by missing opportunities, turning a blind eye to misgovernance, fostering a political vacuum and taking recourse to terrorism to widen the trust deficit.

If West Asia had its Camp David in 2000, seven years after the peace process officially began, we had our 2004-2007 period (coinciding with the composite dialogue) when the UPA led by Dr Manmohan Singh and General Musharraf made quiet progress on Kashmir.

Cut to the present. We have Omar Abdullah playing Emperor Nero. The marginalisation of a mainstream opposition. The Centre squandering goodwill. The security forces thoroughly discredited. The revival of Syed Ali Shah Geelani and the resurgence of the Dukhtaran-e-Millat.

Where did the millions of rupees in development funds go? The funds for jihad, by the way, too are believed to have gone into private pockets. Conflict, you see, is good business for some. In a year when we should have built upon the gains of a successful election, we gave them fake encounters and botched-up investigations. And when, driven by despair, the Kashmiri picked up a stone - he got a fatal bullet from a confused and clueless security force. But the leadership saw nothing, says nothing. And there could be more trouble on the horizon - if a largely secular movement turns radical, if the Kashmiri picks up the gun again.

If that happens, we would only have ourselves to blame. Just like the Palestinians blame themselves.

A thoroughly insensitive and corrupt Yasser Arafat regime raked in billions of dollars in international aid. The Palestinian Authority - led by Fatah -- squandered its chance at governance in West Bank and Gaza. Jericho, handed over by Israel to the PA, got a casino before it got a hospital. "The occupied territories got dozens of armed militias, people never saw the billions and were denied basic freedoms", says Khalid , an Israeli Arab journalist of Palestinian stock. In 2006, Hamas swept to power in Gaza. The Palestinians had wanted change, you see. Today, Israel is worried. Hamas is such bad news for Israel that it is almost grateful for having to deal with the PA, praising the security co-operation it offers to manage West Bank!

Hamas has also damaged the Palestinian cause. The deputy mayor of Bethlehem, a Fatah leader, admits, "Terror won't help us achieve our goals, people are suffering under Hamas in Gaza". A large Kashmiri cross-section is only too aware of the damage Pakistani-sponsored terrorism and jihad for Kashmir has done to their cause. India will want it to stay that way. In return, it has to clean up its act. It can start by stopping the killings.

Every policeman and soldier who kills an innocent must be punished. As for riot control, there's a wealth of technology that Israel has developed which we can assess for our use -- like an armoured car that fires small stones back, The Shout - an acoustic weapon, a speaker that deafens anyone near it, a sticky net that can be dropped from a helicopter to round up a huge group, paint guns and guns with stinky pellets to identify riot leaders long after a protest is over. The Israelis learnt from the 2nd initifada, we must learn from the 2010 uprising.

So here's where we stand.

The Israelis and Palestinians and the Indians and Pakistanis now find themselves being nudged by President Obama to return to the talking table. I hear many Israelis say "Let's wait it out. Maybe we should start seeing the problem with more humility and realise it won't be solved in our lifetime. The gap is too wide. It's not having direct talks that's important, it's what you say." I'm beginning to sense this fatigue vis-a-vis Pakistan in policy circles in Delhi as well, notwithstanding the Prime Minister's push for peace. But we cannot afford to abandon the Kashmiris. The talks with Pakistan can wait, we need to listen to the Kashmiris first.
 

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