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[Nemesis]

Makes no difference. India has far more influence than Pakistan and also the former UN secretary general Kofi Annan has already stated that the Kashmir issue should be resolved bi-laterally.

 

[xebex]

even the US dare to touch Kashmir Issue, UN is no different.

 

[Omar1984]

Kashmir activist discovered dead​

BBC News, Srinagar

The rapes and murders have generated much anger

A member of a top committee leading protests over the rapes and deaths of two women in Indian-administered Kashmir has been found dead.

The discovery has triggered a general strike in the town of Shopian.

Police say Mohammad Hussain Zargar, 42, went missing after leaving home on Saturday morning. His body was found on Tuesday evening.

Local residents allege that his death is the handiwork of those involved in the rapes and murders of the two women.

Shopian - the area where the rapes and murders took place - has seen days of protests and strikes over the case.

The bodies of the two women were discovered in a canal in the town on 30 May.

The government initially maintained that they had died in an accident and that they had not been raped or killed.

But the police later said they had been raped and murdered.

The incident seriously challenged the credibility of Chief Minister Omar Abdullah, who ordered a judicial inquiry into the case following days of violent protests in the Kashmir Valley.

Evidence destroyed

Mr Zargar was an active member of the Majlis-e-Mushawarat (consultative committee) which is spearheading the protest over the deaths.

Police and protesters have repeatedly clashed over the deaths

Local residents say his murder is a tactic to prevent the Majlis-e-Mushawarat from investigating the case by those responsible for committing the crime.

Mr Zargar had reportedly promised to sell his property to fight for justice for the two women.

His body was found barely a few hours after Chief Minister Abdullah told a public rally near Shopian town that he would not rest until those involved in the rapes and murders were brought to justice.

Four police officers, including the then district police chief Javed Iqbal Matoo, were arrested in July on the orders of the high court after it emerged that they had destroyed evidence related to the case.

Shopian observed a 47-day shutdown over the rapes and murders.

The strike was only called off after an appeal by the state's chief justice, Barin Ghosh, who is heading a high court investigation into the crime.

 

[graphican]

How many times did Pakistan try to table Kashmir at the UN before? And how many times was it successful? What really makes you think that it will be any different this time around?

That's true, it didn't result but when there is no support from the UN, talks and negotiations, we have an excuse to let freedom-fighters make an over-time. Even not to show the world outside, we have a fresh story that says "Kashmir Issue could only be solved with War" and the nation prepares to think about other possible solutions.

Fresh coal in the furnace, fresh air to make them red. By the way, according to Nemat Ullah Shah Wali, between now and Ghazwatulhind, one regional and un-decissive war is due over Kashmir Dispute. Lets see what happens in this Love Game.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Possibly an indication to India that Pakistan does not have infinite patience to play her games on Hafiz Saeed and revisionism of agreements (joint statement indicating restarting dialog) and refusal to resolve conflicts through dialog.

Musharraf moved away from the UNSC resolutions on Kashmir, and the Zardari led PPP seemed willing to follow that course as well, but Indian intransigence on a variety of issues has soured the public mood in Pakistan and the GoP is possibly running out of patience.

Now, raising the issue in the UNSC does not tangibly affect the status of Kashmir, but it does move the negotiating position back to square one, and it ensures that outside of India, J&K will continue to not be recognized as Indian territory.

At the very least, there is absolutely no harm to Pakistan in doing so.

 

[dvk1982]

Hmm... now I see why two rockets were fired at BSF and what is the intention behind all this China-India and Pakistan-India recent clashes specially at Kashmir. I hate PPP government but I must admit they have played few cards well. Now we are shown too eager to talk to India and start negotiations and India is reluctant, asking for an international pressure on it. Likewise, when we are initiating disturbance on the Kashmir Border and as India responds, we build-up more international pressure on India not to do anything which distracts Military's focus from its western border along Afghanistan. This will also make the word see that if they need to win War in Afghanistan, they cannot do without Pakistan and if they need Pakistan, it must be free of worries of Conflicts with India. Good! I am happy for Pakistan doing whatever it is doing to highlight Kashmir and its importance in War Against Terrorism.

gud logic and planning...
we will sit ideal... run over us

 

[Developereo]

I doubt this will have any meaningful results.

The way to liberate Kashmir is not through the UN or freedom fighters. It hasn't worked for 60 years. The definition of stupidity is to keep doing the same thing over and over and expect different results. We have sacrificed 70,000 shaheed to this cause without any results. (I am not saying our freedom fighters are stupid, but the policy is stupid.)

The solution, I believe, lies in putting a united Islamic pressure on India. Through a concerted media campaign throughout the Muslim world, we need to highlight the suffering of Kashmiri Muslims and India's cozy relationship with Israel. We need to turn this from a India/Pakistan issue to a India/Muslims issue.

India cannot afford to jeapordize its economic and diplomatic relations with Islamic countries, especailly the Middle East. The only way it will resolve Kashmir is when there is noticeable pressure from those countries.

 

[TOPGUN]

How many times did Pakistan try to table Kashmir at the UN before? And how many times was it successful? What really makes you think that it will be any different this time around?

Just like how many times your country cries to the world when something good happens for Pakistan or over some arms deal ! rem that one? i didn't think so just passed your head eh play fair or don't play at all its time we give u some of your own medcine back never hurts to talk out loud a fav indian practice lol so cheer up and enjoy the show!

 

[graphican]

gud logic and planning...
we will sit ideal... run over us

We will.. and Inshallah We Will. We are not in denial of Ghazwatulhind. You better keep your fingers crossed.

 

[gubbi]

We will.. and Inshallah We Will. We are not in denial of Ghazwatulhind. You better keep your fingers crossed.

Oh that 4 - India-Pak war theory, right? Didnt you already lose the fourth war? Or was it fifth? '71 was the third, '84 Siachen (nobody seems to remember that one) was the fourth and more recently Kargil in '99. Ouch!

 

[gubbi]

I doubt this will have any meaningful results.
The way to liberate Kashmir is not through the UN or freedom fighters. It hasn't worked for 60 years. The definition of stupidity is to keep doing the same thing over and over and expect different results.

Very sensible, pragmatic quote.

The solution, I believe, lies in putting a united Islamic pressure on India. Through a concerted media campaign throughout the Muslim world, we need to highlight the suffering of Kashmiri Muslims and India's cozy relationship with Israel. We need to turn this from a India/Pakistan issue to a India/Muslims issue.

Though a sensible option, there are many irreparable loopholes in this theory. India hosts the second largest Muslim population in the world, Muslims whose patriotism matches, that of their Hindu compatriots. For them India comes first rather than their religion, or let me rephrase that one - India is their first religion, then Islam! I know, I've seen it. They too passionately believe that Kashmir is an integral part of India are those in the services are willing to sacrifice their lives for that belief. We already have many such examples of bravery and supreme sacrifice. Indian Muslim expatriate community in the Arab lands is quite influential and have helped formulating India's attitude towards the gulf region and in guiding Arab outlook towards India. Our relation is business based and the Arabs are quite smart to understand what they stand to loose.
This might come as a surprise that India did not have formal diplomatic ties with Israel. It was only after the Camp David accords between Arafat and Rabin (that historic ill-fated handshake), when the Palestinians broke ice with the Israelis that India started covert diplomatic ties with Israel. Its been reported that Arafat finally had no problem with India developing relations with Israel when PLO had started engaging in negotiations with the Israelis.
Now which country in the Muslim dominated Middle East has sour relations with India?
Considering all these facts how can one ever turn this Kashmir conflict into India-Muslim conflict? Sorry to say, but my friend, its a very illogical, baseless idea.

India cannot afford to jeapordize its economic and diplomatic relations with Islamic countries, especailly the Middle East. The only way it will resolve Kashmir is when there is noticeable pressure from those countries.

The economic numbers speak for themselves. Do you really think that even if all the Muslim countries put diplomatic pressure, India will cave in? With a huge Indian population at hand? Nah, man!

 

[IndianSuperpower]

I doubt this will have any meaningful results.

The way to liberate Kashmir is not through the UN or freedom fighters. It hasn't worked for 60 years. The definition of stupidity is to keep doing the same thing over and over and expect different results. We have sacrificed 70,000 shaheed to this cause without any results. (I am not saying our freedom fighters are stupid, but the policy is stupid.)

The solution, I believe, lies in putting a united Islamic pressure on India. Through a concerted media campaign throughout the Muslim world, we need to highlight the suffering of Kashmiri Muslims and India's cozy relationship with Israel. We need to turn this from a India/Pakistan issue to a India/Muslims issue.

India cannot afford to jeapordize its economic and diplomatic relations with Islamic countries, especailly the Middle East. The only way it will resolve Kashmir is when there is noticeable pressure from those countries.

To play the India/Muslim card India should not have Muslims at all. That card can be neutralized by Indian Muslims living in India. It can be countered with the Indian Muslims who have been successful within India and so the Kashmiri people can also live in the same manner. So isolating India in the Muslim world is not possible because of India being a secular society. There had been mistakes as like of Godhra but name a society which has not made mistakes.

Regarding Muslim majority we have Tamil majority, Telgu majority and other states also which have majority of a ethnic groups which have existed within India in the past 62 years. This nullifies the theory of the only Muslim state within India as we have many "....." states within India who co-existed for a common cause.

 

[IndianSuperpower]

Very sensible, pragmatic quote.


Though a sensible option, there are many irreparable loopholes in this theory. India hosts the second largest Muslim population in the world, Muslims whose patriotism matches, that of their Hindu compatriots. For them India comes first rather than their religion, or let me rephrase that one - India is their first religion, then Islam! I know, I've seen it. They too passionately believe that Kashmir is an integral part of India are those in the services are willing to sacrifice their lives for that belief. We already have many such examples of bravery and supreme sacrifice. Indian Muslim expatriate community in the Arab lands is quite influential and have helped formulating India's attitude towards the gulf region and in guiding Arab outlook towards India. Our relation is business based and the Arabs are quite smart to understand what they stand to loose.
This might come as a surprise that India did not have formal diplomatic ties with Israel. It was only after the Camp David accords between Arafat and Rabin (that historic ill-fated handshake), when the Palestinians broke ice with the Israelis that India started covert diplomatic ties with Israel. Its been reported that Arafat finally had no problem with India developing relations with Israel when PLO had started engaging in negotiations with the Israelis.
Now which country in the Muslim dominated Middle East has sour relations with India?
Considering all these facts how can one ever turn this Kashmir conflict into India-Muslim conflict? Sorry to say, but my friend, its a very illogical, baseless idea.

The economic numbers speak for themselves. Do you really think that even if all the Muslim countries put diplomatic pressure, India will cave in? With a huge Indian population at hand? Nah, man!

To ellaborate further Indian muslims would be standing in the Indian side against a only densely populated Muslim state being transferred to another country, and definitely middle east cannot negate the second highest population of Muslims on the planet neither they would be ready to piss of Indian trade and Indian investments. The equations are equal on both sides. At max what they can do is to remain neutral.

 

[IndianSuperpower]

We will.. and Inshallah We Will. We are not in denial of Ghazwatulhind. You better keep your fingers crossed.

Why dont you guys include Ghazwatulhind in your state policy if you are so obessed about it and are so damn confident that yes its a reality like we had 2000 world end, 2012 theories and others. It would be great to say to the international community that we are going to attack India because we are prophecy of India being destroyed. Stop making joke of yourself. Conspiracy theorist also lay claim on Mecca and Medina being a Hindu temple.........

Stop dreaming and wake up. Go climb the tree for the apples or die starving waiting for some so called event of apples falling from the tree..

 

[UnitedPak]

Muslim card is irrelevant. Its long been established that Kashmiris do not want India, and never have.

They too passionately believe that Kashmir is an integral part of India are those in the services are willing to sacrifice their lives for that belief

Those in the services know first-hand how "Indian" Kashmiris actually feel. This is how they "integrate" I guess.