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[MastanKhan]

Hi,

The price should be $650.00 and not $6500.

 

[Bill Longley]

the reasons i think are

1] india is an imperial colonial power, just look at whats happening in northeast,jharkand and other maoist infected areas.

2] india is an evil empire ,in disguise of seculerism, govt of india is helping fanatic terror groups like shivsina,dharmasina,rss etc to eliminate all the minorities and make inda a hindu rashtra. one should remember the present govt of congress known to be a SECULER PARTY WAS THE REASON FOR DEHLI MASSACE AND OPERATION BLUE STAR

3] any concession to kashmir means ,indians have to give the same to other more than 14 states who are fighting for their God gifted right. so KASHMIRIS SHOULD FORGET INDEPENDENCE BECAUSE THEIR INDEPENDENCE MEANS DISINTEGRATION OF INDIA EMPIRE.

4] the attitude of indians clearly REFLECTS THAT THEY ARE NOT INTRESTED IN KASHMIRI PPL AND THEY CAN ARRANGE A NEW GENOCIDE TO ELEMINATE ALL MUSLIM KASHMIRIES SO THAT NO ONE SHOWS DISSENT. FROM INDIAN VIEW POINT KASHMIRI LAND IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE POOR MUSLIM INHABITANTS.

5] the indian GOVT THINKS IT IS A BIG MARKET AND GREAT POWERS HAVE GREAT INTREST IN ITS MARKET. SO THEY CAN EASILY GET AWAY FROM GENOCIDE OF KASHMIRIES AND GROSS HUMAN RIGHT ABUSES AGAINST POPULATION.

6.] THE KASHMIR FREEDOM STRUGGLE HAS CAUSED GREAT LOSSES TO INDIAN EMPIRE. INDIAN ARMY AND PARAMILITARIES ARE TURNING MENTAL CASES. ACCORDING TO INDIAN CHEIF 100 SOLDIERS ON THE AVERAGE COMMIT SUSIDE EVERY YEAR AND 250 ALONE COMMITED SUSIDE OR KILLED THEIR FELLOWS IN 2005. SIMILARLY DUE TO MENTAL BANKRUPSY INDIANS ARE ACQUISEING NEIGHBORS EVEN SPREADING AIDS IN THE RANKS JUST TO HIDE THE SHAME AND DISHONOR OF THEIR ARMIES ACTS AND CONDUCTS.THERE FORE ITS QUITE VISIBLE THAT INDIA A HOLLOW NUCLEAR POWER WILL NEVER GIVE KASHMIRIS WHAT THEY WANT. IT WILL ELIMINATE THEM ALL IF THEY KEEP ON ASKING FREEDOM BUT WILL NEVER COMPLY WITH WISHES OF REPRESSED PPL

india is illegalay occuping kashmir. it want to occupy azad kashmir and our northern areas also so that
1] it could have link to central asia, remember the wakhan belt[afghanistan] which is only few km between us and cental asia

2] india want to cut the link between us and china

its a realist world where strategic and national intrest are more precious than low of morality or religon.

pro peace propoganda by indians is only a time gaining and diverting tactics.

do you think if we agree on loc as permanent boarder. peace will prevail and kashmir issue will end?????????????

no it will never
read the indian history read how indians occupied independent states of sikkim, jnagarh, hyderabad etc.

the problem with us is that although we have 1000 year of experence we still fail to understand enemies thought process and how he acts

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

What makes you feel that Kashmir is of Pakistan?

Why will Pakistan never leave Kashmir can be a legitimate question too!

Now, go reinvent the wheel that has been done here as also in many other forums.

Even the GoI and GoP has not found an answer, but maybe you are clever than them, who knows?

 

[Bill Longley]

sir then
go for what kashmiri say[:p]

i mean ask them what they want a for God's sake have mercy on ur sena which is committing suicide due to sence of their guilt

 

[Awesome]

Going for what Kashmiris say is once again echoing what Pakistanis say. There was a brief period where Pakistan's demand for Kashmir and Kashmiris demand for Freedom was in secondary contradiction. Of course both did however agreed that they need to get rid of India out of this equation first.

However these days more and more Pakistanis are content with letting go of the part of Kashmir we control, so long as India does so too. It is the only solution. It is acceptable to Kashmiris, it will be acceptable to Pakistanis too. Only India would not agree due to some of the reasons you mentioned above.

Especially the fact that once India let's go of Kashmir, all of it's imperial impositions would stand up in arms as well.

It's quite evident that India has no love for Kashmiris and there's only hatred vice versa. The level of animosity meted against India can be measured in the fact that India has done a lot of development in their part of Kashmir compared to what Pakistan has done in AJK. But there's no substitute for freedom.

It's actually kind of silly on the part of Kashmiris too. They would get a lot of freedoms if they quiet down their rebellion. But we Muslims just cannot be ruled.

And there lies the problem for the Indian choice for Kashmiris. Even if you see the current Muslim population of India they generally are a disgruntled lot. Some even mock India, some hate. India has done a lot for their appeasement, but they still are an uncontrollable bunch.

India is no saint either. When it's pinned into a corner, it chooses the option of massacre to passify any and all rebellions. Indians have been committing massacres of minorities at the rate of once per decade. The thing is Indian Muslims will always try to rule over the rest of India or such is their reputation.

You do remember that when Pakistan was made a significant Muslim population didn't want a separate homeland. They were in the hopes of one day overpowering the Hindus and ruling over all of India. That is the Indian Muslim's mindset. By comparison, the Pakistani only wants Kashmir.

So it's a lose-lose for all three parties if Kashmiris are asked to become part of India. The only way forward is total independence for Kashmir.

 

[genmirajborgza786]

Going for what Kashmiris say is once again echoing what Pakistanis say. There was a brief period where Pakistan's demand for Kashmir and Kashmiris demand for Freedom was in secondary contradiction. Of course both did however agreed that they need to get rid of India out of this equation first.

However these days more and more Pakistanis are content with letting go of the part of Kashmir we control, so long as India does so too. It is the only solution. It is acceptable to Kashmiris, it will be acceptable to Pakistanis too. Only India would not agree due to some of the reasons you mentioned above.

Especially the fact that once India let's go of Kashmir, all of it's imperial impositions would stand up in arms as well.

It's quite evident that India has no love for Kashmiris and there's only hatred vice versa. The level of animosity meted against India can be measured in the fact that India has done a lot of development in their part of Kashmir compared to what Pakistan has done in AJK. But there's no substitute for freedom.

It's actually kind of silly on the part of Kashmiris too. They would get a lot of freedoms if they quiet down their rebellion. But we Muslims just cannot be ruled.

And there lies the problem for the Indian choice for Kashmiris. Even if you see the current Muslim population of India they generally are a disgruntled lot. Some even mock India, some hate. India has done a lot for their appeasement, but they still are an uncontrollable bunch.

India is no saint either. When it's pinned into a corner, it chooses the option of massacre to passify any and all rebellions. Indians have been committing massacres of minorities at the rate of once per decade. The thing is Indian Muslims will always try to rule over the rest of India or such is their reputation.

You do remember that when Pakistan was made a significant Muslim population didn't want a separate homeland. They were in the hopes of one day overpowering the Hindus and ruling over all of India. That is the Indian Muslim's mindset. By comparison, the Pakistani only wants Kashmir.

So it's a lose-lose for all three parties if Kashmiris are asked to become part of India. The only way forward is total independence for Kashmir.

but why should we let northern areas and azad Kashmir go too in a totally independence for Kashmir solution Pakistan cant afford to loose any more land after siechen the best option is to be realistic and let India have her part of Kashmir and Pakistan have her part of Kashmir with if possible some minor adjustment here and there in favor of Pakistan i think India might consider it as a good will gesture but an independent Kashmir will be a totally lose-lose situation for both India and Pakistan why go for it my saying is this to break India if Pakistan will also has to let 83,000sqkm of territory's secede then better for us India not break. imo

 

[Bill Longley]

sir
Gilgit and baltistan is seprate story
they fought for their independence and freed thir area from dogra bullies and requested Government of Pakistan to Join Federation

so they are our part
where as kashmir is other story with different back ground and history

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

You people are forgetting one of the most important issues---whomsoever controls kashmir---controls the source of water.

 

[solid snake]

However these days more and more Pakistanis are content with letting go of the part of Kashmir we control, so long as India does so too. It is the only solution. It is acceptable to Kashmiris, it will be acceptable to Pakistanis too. Only India would not agree due to some of the reasons you mentioned above.

Pakistan's northern areas, which form our border with China is a part of the original princely state of Kashmir. I highly doubt Pakistan will let go of such a vital area.

 

[Awesome]

but why should we let northern areas and azad Kashmir go too in a totally independence for Kashmir solution Pakistan cant afford to loose any more land after siechen the best option is to be realistic and let India have her part of Kashmir and Pakistan have her part of Kashmir with if possible some minor adjustment here and there in favor of Pakistan i think India might consider it as a good will gesture but an independent Kashmir will be a totally lose-lose situation for both India and Pakistan why go for it my saying is this to break India if Pakistan will also has to let 83,000sqkm territory's secede then better for us India not break. imo

AJK is not Pakistani territory to begin with.

Pakistan should let it go for the sake of settling the Kashmir issue with India.

 

[Awesome]

Pakistan's northern areas, which form our border with China is a part of the original princely state of Kashmir. I highly doubt Pakistan will let go of such a vital area.

That is debatable.

The Northern Areas were forcibly occupied. The people living there are more or less Pashtun than Kashmiri. Historical Kashmir and Northern Areas never had anything common.

Anyway, we'll put that case up with the Kashmiris. Let them decide.

 

[solid snake]

That is debatable.

The Northern Areas were forcibly occupied. The people living there are more or less Pashtun than Kashmiri. Historical Kashmir and Northern Areas never had anything common.

Anyway, we'll put that case up with the Kashmiris. Let them decide.

It is not debatable that the northern areas were a part of the state of Kashmir. That means if AJK is going to be let go, then the northern areas must also be let go.

How will this referendum be implemented? Will all the areas forming Kashmir in 1947 vote over independence, or just AJK and Indian occupied Kashmir? And what happens if the northern areas vote to stay with Pakistan but the rest of Kashmir votes for independence? Will the northern areas have no choice but to join the new independent Kashmir?

It is just not worth it for Pakistan to let Kashmir be independent. Only scenario acecptable to me and I'm sure the government is that all of Kashmir becomes part of Pakistan. India is too scared to ask the Kashmiris, because they will probably vote to join Pakistan.

 

[ak56]

Why do we worry so much about Kashmir. If you read some history, the hindu king who ruled over most of Kashmir wanted to join with India, fearing a pakistani intrusion.

The princly states that wanted to join with us are with us and those who wanted to join with India are with them. If you see it legally, Kashmir should belong to India.

I dont know why people of our country are obcessed with Kashmir. Let it go and let the rest of pakistan develop. Development should be the first priority, to enable atleast our future generation have access to the life style that the western people enjoy.

Peace!

 

[indiapakistanfriendship]

Going for what Kashmiris say is once again echoing what Pakistanis say. There was a brief period where Pakistan's demand for Kashmir and Kashmiris demand for Freedom was in secondary contradiction. Of course both did however agreed that they need to get rid of India out of this equation first.

However these days more and more Pakistanis are content with letting go of the part of Kashmir we control, so long as India does so too. It is the only solution. It is acceptable to Kashmiris, it will be acceptable to Pakistanis too. Only India would not agree due to some of the reasons you mentioned above.

Especially the fact that once India let's go of Kashmir, all of it's imperial impositions would stand up in arms as well.

It's quite evident that India has no love for Kashmiris and there's only hatred vice versa. The level of animosity meted against India can be measured in the fact that India has done a lot of development in their part of Kashmir compared to what Pakistan has done in AJK. But there's no substitute for freedom.

It's actually kind of silly on the part of Kashmiris too. They would get a lot of freedoms if they quiet down their rebellion. But we Muslims just cannot be ruled.

And there lies the problem for the Indian choice for Kashmiris. Even if you see the current Muslim population of India they generally are a disgruntled lot. Some even mock India, some hate. India has done a lot for their appeasement, but they still are an uncontrollable bunch.

India is no saint either. When it's pinned into a corner, it chooses the option of massacre to passify any and all rebellions. Indians have been committing massacres of minorities at the rate of once per decade. The thing is Indian Muslims will always try to rule over the rest of India or such is their reputation.

You do remember that when Pakistan was made a significant Muslim population didn't want a separate homeland. They were in the hopes of one day overpowering the Hindus and ruling over all of India. That is the Indian Muslim's mindset. By comparison, the Pakistani only wants Kashmir.

So it's a lose-lose for all three parties if Kashmiris are asked to become part of India. The only way forward is total independence for Kashmir.

You see mate the problem lies herein ,Pakistanis have sentiments for Kashmir and wish its independence but our view is different, here we believe all Indians have rights over Kashmir just like Kashmiris themselves so why would we let go of something we believe is rightful to us and are not under pressure to do so? Frankly we dont care bout AJK we would not even mind if it joins with Pakistan but we Indians have lived with Kashmir for long and believe that every Indian including Kashmiris have righjt over each and everey territory of India , the same sentiment shared by you and many Pakistanis on Baloch issue holds true for us too

 

[solid snake]

I agree with ak56. It is time to let it go or at least put it on the backburner. Let the rest of Pakistan develop, we have 40% of Kashmir and it is proving very beneficial to us because of our border with China.

Let us not shoot ourselves in the foot by asking for a referendum in Kashmir over its status.