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The Hindu : News / National : India tells China: Kashmir is to us what Tibet, Taiwan are to you


Drawing a dramatic parallel between the territorial red lines of both countries, India on Sunday told China that just as New Delhi had been sensitive to its concerns over the Tibet Autonomous Region and Taiwan, Beijing too should be mindful of Indian sensitivities on Jammu and Kashmir.

The comparison – which is intended to drive home the depth of Indian concerns over recent Chinese attempts to question the country's sovereignty in Kashmir — was made by External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna in his meeting with China's Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi on the sidelines of the Russia-India-China trilateral meeting here.

This is the first time India has drawn this parallel directly, Indian officials told The Hindu.

Briefing reporters about the meeting, Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao said the two Ministers reviewed the state of bilateral relations, which Mr. Yang described as being in “very good shape.” As India-China relations grew, Mr. Krishna said, there was a need for both sides to be sensitive to each other's core concerns. “In that context,” said Ms. Rao, “[the External Affairs Minister] spoke of Jammu and Kashmir and expressed the hope that China would be sensitive to J&K just as we have been to the Tibet Autonomous Region and Taiwan.”

According to Ms. Rao, Mr. Yang said in response that China always believed the problem of Jammu and Kashmir could only be resolved through dialogue and negotiations between India and Pakistan and that there has been no change in its policy.

The Chinese Minister also said Beijing wanted to expand the political content of the relationship between the two countries. “He said both countries should see each other's growth as an opportunity and not a challenge.”

India has been objecting to the Chinese policy of issuing ‘stapled' visas to Kashmiri-domicile Indian citizens. New Delhi suspended defence exchanges with Beijing in August after an Indian general from Kashmir was denied a proper visa to travel to China on an official visit.

On the question of a permanent seat for India on a reformed UN Security Council – a question Mr. Krishna raised in a general way without reference to President Barack Obama's recent announcement – Mr. Yang said he acknowledged there had been a fundamental change in the international situation and that consultations were needed on the question of UN reform. He added that China was willing to continue and increase its consultations with India and others on this question, a stand Ms. Rao described as “incrementally speaking, a positive development.”

But she quickly added: “To say that they have given full-scale endorsement would be inaccurate.”

Also on Sunday, Mr. Krishna held bilateral talks with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and attended a working dinner of the RIC trilateral.

Ms. Rao said Mr. Lavrov strongly supported India's prospective membership in the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation and urged the country to work closely together with Russia and others for promoting security and cooperation across the Asia-Pacific region.

The RIC Foreign Ministers also strongly endorsed the idea of a trilateral discussion on the situation in Afghanistan and agreed that the BRIC forum, which links the three with Brazil, be expanded to include South Africa by the time of the next summit.

Also present at Mr. Krishna's meeting with the Chinese Foreign Minister was Duan Yunlin, vice governor of Hubei province. Mr. Duan spoke of Hubei's economic relations with India and described his own involvement in promoting business links with Bangalore and Andhra Pradesh. Mr. Krishna said he hoped India-China bilateral trade would cross the target of $ 60 billion but urged the Chinese side to do more to ensure a better balance.
 
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interesting indeed. Indian has no say in Xizang(except that puppy-in-exile) or Taiwan, but China dose have an affection of the balance of Kashmir.

This is my point here, the dispute should be between India and Pakistan, and China should carefully look after the regional peace and balance. If India would like to talk about dispute areas between China and India, we should talk of course; but if they want method other than peaceful ones, it should be equally welcomed.
 
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Kashmir is to us what Tibet, Taiwan are to you

This is probably the best way to get the point across to China about Kashmir's significance to India. For the sake of future Sino-Indian relations, I hope both countries understand what is important to them.
 
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I think we are moving in right direction, there are always some hickup's. I aways draw parallel between India-US relationship in the past, they were more titled to Pakistan at one point of time, cannot say now. I am positive something similar can be done on China's front, if not of same scale. In the coming years China will be more closer to India and will try to be more neutral along the lines of US.
 
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I would credit this to SM Krishna :tup: Brilliant move.

As rightly said in the article
The Chinese Minister also said Beijing wanted to expand the political content of the relationship between the two countries. “He said both countries should see each other's growth as an opportunity and not a challenge.”
 
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half the hindu army 500 hundred thousend ocupying for over 50 years and you still havnt had any success:rofl:,keep dreaming,idependence is there right ,freedom for the brave :sniper:

Believe if this INDIAN army not HINDu reacted the way most islamic countries like blah blah act then , the population would've been wiped out and converted to buddhists. HaHa!
 
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China is the last strong support for Pakistan and if we manage to make it neutral Kashmir dreams will be history for them, along with some other dreams. So good job Krishna, we should now work with full force on this front.
 
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For the sake of future Sino-Indian relations, I hope both countries understand what is important to them.

Sino-Indian relations are certainly very important. :tup: I'd like to clarify though, that China currently controls around 20% of Kashmir region (uninhabited), so we have a stake in this too.
 
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China is the last strong support for Pakistan and if we manage to make it neutral Kashmir dreams will be history for them, along with some other dreams. So good job Krishna, we should now work with full force on this front.

Considering the directions in which Pakistan China relations are heading, it's quite clear who's the one having dreams.
 
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Then India is saying its unfair and that Kashmiris don't want ot be a part of it. It recognizes this this a a self identified loss for India.
 
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The Hindu : News / National : India tells China: Kashmir is to us what Tibet, Taiwan are to you


Drawing a dramatic parallel between the territorial red lines of both countries, India on Sunday told China that just as New Delhi had been sensitive to its concerns over the Tibet Autonomous Region and Taiwan, Beijing too should be mindful of Indian sensitivities on Jammu and Kashmir.

The comparison – which is intended to drive home the depth of Indian concerns over recent Chinese attempts to question the country's sovereignty in Kashmir — was made by External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna in his meeting with China's Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi on the sidelines of the Russia-India-China trilateral meeting here.

This is the first time India has drawn this parallel directly, Indian officials told The Hindu.

Briefing reporters about the meeting, Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao said the two Ministers reviewed the state of bilateral relations, which Mr. Yang described as being in “very good shape.” As India-China relations grew, Mr. Krishna said, there was a need for both sides to be sensitive to each other's core concerns. “In that context,” said Ms. Rao, “[the External Affairs Minister] spoke of Jammu and Kashmir and expressed the hope that China would be sensitive to J&K just as we have been to the Tibet Autonomous Region and Taiwan.”

According to Ms. Rao, Mr. Yang said in response that China always believed the problem of Jammu and Kashmir could only be resolved through dialogue and negotiations between India and Pakistan and that there has been no change in its policy.

The Chinese Minister also said Beijing wanted to expand the political content of the relationship between the two countries. “He said both countries should see each other's growth as an opportunity and not a challenge.”

India has been objecting to the Chinese policy of issuing ‘stapled' visas to Kashmiri-domicile Indian citizens. New Delhi suspended defence exchanges with Beijing in August after an Indian general from Kashmir was denied a proper visa to travel to China on an official visit.

On the question of a permanent seat for India on a reformed UN Security Council – a question Mr. Krishna raised in a general way without reference to President Barack Obama's recent announcement – Mr. Yang said he acknowledged there had been a fundamental change in the international situation and that consultations were needed on the question of UN reform. He added that China was willing to continue and increase its consultations with India and others on this question, a stand Ms. Rao described as “incrementally speaking, a positive development.”

But she quickly added: “To say that they have given full-scale endorsement would be inaccurate.”

Also on Sunday, Mr. Krishna held bilateral talks with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and attended a working dinner of the RIC trilateral.

Ms. Rao said Mr. Lavrov strongly supported India's prospective membership in the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation and urged the country to work closely together with Russia and others for promoting security and cooperation across the Asia-Pacific region.

The RIC Foreign Ministers also strongly endorsed the idea of a trilateral discussion on the situation in Afghanistan and agreed that the BRIC forum, which links the three with Brazil, be expanded to include South Africa by the time of the next summit.

Also present at Mr. Krishna's meeting with the Chinese Foreign Minister was Duan Yunlin, vice governor of Hubei province. Mr. Duan spoke of Hubei's economic relations with India and described his own involvement in promoting business links with Bangalore and Andhra Pradesh. Mr. Krishna said he hoped India-China bilateral trade would cross the target of $ 60 billion but urged the Chinese side to do more to ensure a better balance.

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Why does Krishna answering his own questions or responding to Chinese remarks to US diplomat?

http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...8613-china-tells-u-s-pakistan-our-israel.html

Does this not suggest that US has leverage over India.
 
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Jammu and Kashmir has been removed from the United Nations list of unresolved disputes, in a setback to Pakistan which has been asking the world body to intervene on the issue.

The omission of Jammu and Kashmir from the list of disputes under the observation of the Security Council was noticed by Pakistan, whose envoy has filed a protest.

“The Jammu and Kashmir dispute was not mentioned in the context of unresolved long-running situations,” Pakistan's acting envoy to the U.N. Amjad Hussain B Sial said. “We understand this was an inadvertent omission, as Jammu and Kashmir is one of the oldest disputes on the agenda of the Security Council,” he said, speaking at the General Assembly session, which was discussing the functioning and reform of the Security Council.

It was organised by the U.K., which holds the presidency of the Security Council this month.

Pakistan has been asking the U.N. to intervene to help resolve the issue, but India has always maintained that the dispute has to be resolved bilaterally.

The Hindu : News / National : Jammu and Kashmir out of U.N. list of disputes

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though this news is couple of hours old yet i don't find similar thread anywhere....lets c how members will react to it.... i think what Pakistan envoy is saying is correct, this would be an inadvertent mistake, no???
 
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A big diplomatic victory for India and a setback for UK-Pakistan ties........or like the Pakistani diplomat said inadvertent, i"ll side with the latter for now.
 
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