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[third eye]

Either one thing has to happen, peace or fight. India's choice.

India has made its stand amply clear over the last 60 yrs. There is no ambiguity at all.

 

[Awesome]

We Indians are not Terrrist Connosieurs unlike you Asim so all terrorism is the same to us can't distinguish them both.Right knowthe indian army will an appoint with god for the terrorists and in the future it will also fix an appointment for the establishment and actors who are responsible for unleashing this scourge

What not is more honorable for a nations army than nuetering everything and anything that stands in the nations way.The Army is doing a legitimate and honorable job no blind hatred or anything as such

Perhaps you Indians can at least comprehend logic and the English language at least. Terrorism has to be inflicted against civilians and not soldiers for it to actually qualify as terrorism. There's no point to one being a soldier if they keep crying foul and claim terrorism. Them being terrified is good for their enemy - the enemy is not going to win by singing lullabies.

You're on disputed territory. You won't allow a peaceful solution. Your choices, fight or flight. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

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India has made its stand amply clear over the last 60 yrs. There is no ambiguity at all.

India's stand is status quo. Pakistan's stand is to break that status quo. There's no ambiguity on that either.

 

[VCheng]

For all the rhetoric about principled stands on both sides, Kashmir will unfortunately continue to be a bargaining chip in the international geopolitical arena.

India will settle for the LoC as border if it gets the permanent SC seat it so covets.

Pakistan will settle for whatever it can get when the crunch comes, just like 1971.

The people of Kashmir will continue to suffer even after that.

That is the sad but true reality.

 

[third eye]

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India's stand is status quo. Pakistan's stand is to break that status quo. There's no ambiguity on that either.

Well , 60 yrs and its the same.

 

[TATA]

Musharraf admits Pakistan trained militants

Arab News, Saudi Arabia

Musharraf admits Pakistan trained militants - Arab News

 

[SpArK]

Musharraf admits Pakistan trained militants

Arab News, Saudi Arabia

Musharraf admits Pakistan trained militants - Arab News

Dude the same has been reported even in Pakistan media too

Pak trained Kashmiri groups: Musharraf | Pakistan | News | Newspaper | Daily | English | Online

Also US

Musharraf: Pakistan backed militants in attacks on India - Washington Times

The Pioneer :: Home : >> Pak fanned terror in Kashmir says Mush

Musharraf admits training militants - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

ONLINE - International News Network

Pakistan trained militants to fight India: Musharraf

Fighters formed to be used in Held Kashmir: Musharraf - GEO.tv


Every Media has used the same wordings...

So we dont need to debate much further on what he meant.

 

[TATA]

Dude the same has been reported even in Pakistan media too

Pak trained Kashmiri groups: Musharraf | Pakistan | News | Newspaper | Daily | English | Online

Also US

Musharraf: Pakistan backed militants in attacks on India - Washington Times

The Pioneer :: Home : >> Pak fanned terror in Kashmir says Mush

Musharraf admits training militants - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

ONLINE - International News Network

Pakistan trained militants to fight India: Musharraf

Fighters formed to be used in Held Kashmir: Musharraf - GEO.tv


Every Media has used the same wordings...

So we dont need to debate much further on what he meant.

Go and tell this to Admin "Asim Aquil" who have started this thread specially and quoted "The Bharati press and the BBC has misquoted the Der Spiegel interview with Pervez Musharraf."

 

[Jade]

TTP is not fighting against an illegal occupation force. India is doing something illegal, Pakistan is the legal authority over its regions.

Kashmir being a disputed territory, it becomes our right to fight Indian soldiers there. There is no question of targeting anyone but the soldiers since we are fighting to save ALL civilians from India's tyranny.

Best thing is, India has the option to end the fight by accepting a peaceful, democratic way - plebiscite.

Either one thing has to happen, peace or fight. India's choice.

Most Pakistanis forgot that P-O-K and GB are also the part of so called disputed areas. If Pakistan wants to have high ground, why cannot it just vacate P-O-K and GB and handover those areas to India for further action….If India is doing something illegal so is Pakistan. So please don’t try to be on moral grounds and preach or threaten us. We have seen enough of them in last 60 years.

As regarding the choice, if Pakistan does not want peace...fine...neither are we craving for it

 

[SpArK]

US officials meet J&K separatist leaders​

NEW DELHI: In a signal that Kashmir is very much on US President Barack Obama's mind as he prepares for his India visit, a two-member team from the US embassy in New Delhi met separatist leaders Mirwaiz Umar Farooq and Yasin Malik in Srinagar this week.


The American officials, first secretary Pushpinder Dhillon and political officer Kailash Jha, met Malik on Sunday and the Mirwaiz on Monday and got the same message from both. The separatists asked for US help to push India and Pakistan back to the dialogue table to resolve the Kashmir dispute.

The meetings are significant because of the timing. Obama is due next month and there have been reports from Washington that he is preparing to raise Kashmir in his talks with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.

The Obama administration denied the reports subsequently but the denial seems thin now after this week's Srinagar visit of the US embassy team. An official source in Delhi tried to play down the trip. He said that diplomats from the US, UK and the European Union go to Kashmir regularly and meet the separatists. However, inquiries in Srinagar revealed that it has been a long time since an American diplomat went to the Valley to talk to Hurriyat leaders. While Jha is a political officer and part of the local staff of the embassy, Dhillon is an Indian-American from Washington and holds diplomatic status.

Analysts in Srinagar said that the team was obviously on a mission to get a firsthand feel of the ground situation and the mood in the Valley after a four-month long street agitation that has left over 100 dead. Their report will be an important input for the brief that Obama's aides are preparing for his India visit.

''He may not discuss Kashmir as Kashmir and may discuss Kashmir in the larger context of the ****** situation.

But Kashmir will figure in some way when Obama meets PM Manmohan Singh,'' said analyst Syed Malik.

The Mirwaiz expressed open disappointment with the US in his talks with the embassy officials. He said Washington had been ''criminally silent on ''the ''human rights violations'' by Indian security forces
during the course of the ongoing peaceful agitation. He reminded the team that it was Washington that consistently told Kashmiris to give up the gun and go in for peaceful protests instead.

Malik and the Mirwaiz both made a strong appeal for the US to exert pressure on India and Pakistan to resolve Kashmir for peace and stability in south Asia.


Read more: US officials meet J&K separatist leaders - The Times of India US officials meet J&K separatist leaders - The Times of India

 

[Avatar]

If you wish to fight, then fight like men and not like cowards. If Jinnah read your words and witnessed todays Pakistan, he would be ashamed beyond description. India had openly supported Mukti Bahini when we did, and India claimed to itself the biggest post WWII surrender from the resulting war. It was humanitarian, the evil that was going on in that part of the world is unspeakable.

From sponsoring and supporting terrorism you have achieved nothing but problems. It saddens me to know some people are actually proud of these terrorists.

 

[VCheng]

There have been a lot of meetings in Washington DC already with Kashmiri intermediaries, and this meeting is just a part of that ongoing process.

 

[RamGorur]

TTP is not fighting against an illegal occupation force. India is doing something illegal, Pakistan is the legal authority over its regions.

UN is on record requiring Pakistan to not only completely withdraw from all of Kashmir but requires the administration of the evacuated territory to be handed over to the local authority to be supervised by UN itself. That is hardly an acknowledgment of Pakistan's 'legal authority over it's regions' in Kashmir.

On the other hand India is not only to retain security forces but carry on the administration of the part that is under its possession.

Kashmir being a disputed territory, it becomes our right to fight Indian soldiers there. There is no question of targeting anyone but the soldiers since we are fighting to save ALL civilians from India's tyranny.

Dispute or not, it still doesn't give you any 'right to fight Indian soldiers there' unless you are claiming that blatantly violating UN mandated cease fire as also your 'right'.

The Government of India and the Government of Pakistan agree to appeal to their respective peoples to assist in creating and maintaining an atmosphere favorable to the promotion of further negotiations. (Part I/E of resolution of 13th August, 1948)

 

[sms]

Perhaps you Indians can at least comprehend logic and the English language at least. Terrorism has to be inflicted against civilians and not soldiers for it to actually qualify as terrorism. There's no point to one being a soldier if they keep crying foul and claim terrorism. Them being terrified is good for their enemy - the enemy is not going to win by singing lullabies.

You're on disputed territory. You won't allow a peaceful solution. Your choices, fight or flight. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

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India's stand is status quo. Pakistan's stand is to break that status quo. There's no ambiguity on that either.

If You are really sincere and wants to solve the problem, why don’t your take initiative to break status quo by declaring P-O-K a free country or at least conduct plebiscite there?

 

[Rajkumar]

For the indians who are questioning...

Friends (enemies whatever you like)... The problem that you have here on this forum is that you are talking to a certain section of Pakistani society which for a lot of issues does not represent the common man on the street in Pakistan... The Jihadi organizations that sprang up against India has been something that is inevitable in a society that has nothing much to offer their citizens... Poor people with no decent jobs with the media bombarding them with Indian atrocities in Kashmir on a daily basis... of course you will have people wanting to fight against India... The Pakistani elite decided to use that to keep these people busy... They used these groups and helped them initially... This helps the Army as well because then the Army does not have to do what it is supposed to do i.e fight wars/liberate occupied land etc and instead they can just live a peaceful life... and rule the country in the form of American backed puppets like Musharaf...

The questions you are asking on this forum can never be answered by these people... The Jihadi organizations served an important purpose which was to channel the anger that ordinary man on the street faces against these corrupt leaders be it both civilian or military and use that anger against our arch rival India... Musharaf perhaps now realizes that we need to keep these groups as he has nothing better to offer them than a quick path to paradise...

most realistic reply so far unlike some "seniors". i can tell the story from indian point of view. pak did what it judged to be right rather i should say it used methods out of rush like 1989 militancy program or kargil fiasco. india made sure that pak will be seen as epicenter of terror which went quite well at lest on diplomacy level but they failed on internal level. i think mushraff knows the fact that india will never let go kashmir and there are many reasons for that and the cry for plebiscite will never be fulfilled .. chuckle.. Pakistan needs to adopt a different strategy.

 

[pmukherjee]

Go and tell this to Admin "Asim Aquil" who have started this thread specially and quoted "The Bharati press and the BBC has misquoted the Der Spiegel interview with Pervez Musharraf."

Asim Aquil was blaming India for defaming the guy who is desperate to give a boost to the launch of his political career by 'spilling the beans'. What a comedy!!! Everyone knows that Pakistan has been 'running with the hare and hunting with the hounds' for many decades. Now someone tries to make a fine distinction between 'it was formed' and 'we formed it'. What would you call this? A case of mistaken and misplaced loyalty? After all, Musharraf seems to be extremely sure that the idea that Pakistan trains and supports terrorists to achieve its national objectives will catapult him to power in Pakistan once again. Good show guys. Keep it up.