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[toppys]

Open your eyes and see the slaps, kicks and spits being thrown at the core representative of the Indian nation state - The Indian security forces.

Pakistan has never forced them to join Pakistan and is fighting for their right to choose. Read the polls again, they love to have their freedom to choose.

except sending force to kashmir in 1947 annexing half of kashmir, yes they never force

 

[Awesome]

except sending force to kashmir in 1947 annexing half of kashmir, yes they never force

Correction, we only sent our forces once India started invading Kashmir. We prevented half of Kashmir to be usurped by India and we will give up our area too, to give that choice to Kashmiris if they choose to go away from us.

We are that confident about their choice, are you? If you're confident then man up and let them choose.

 

[bandit]

Open your eyes and see the slaps, kicks and spits being thrown at the core representative of the Indian nation state - The Indian security forces.

Pakistan has never forced them to join Pakistan and is fighting for their right to choose. Read the polls again, they love to have their freedom to choose.

Pakistan is fighting for their right to choose, but they can only choose Pakistan, isn't that right.

Everybody from the Pakistan government and the Pakistan army to the common man on the street wants Kashmir to be part of Pakistan. The right to choose is just a patent lie to support the Kashmiri insurgents across the borders under the garb of 'Morals'.

Kashmiris understand that, thats why the majority isnt voting for Pakistan, you could open your eyes to that buddy.

 

[RamGorur]

Open your eyes and see the slaps, kicks and spits being thrown at the core representative of the Indian nation state - The Indian security forces.

Pakistan has never forced them to join Pakistan and is fighting for their right to choose. Read the polls again, they love to have their freedom to choose.

An excerpt from PeacePolls.org

No one wants to ‘Join Pakistan’. Even 71% of Muslims consider this option ‘unacceptable’ (69% in the Kashmir Valley). They could have chosen ‘tolerable’ but they didn’t. Although Hindus and Buddhists want to ‘Join India’ 49% of Muslims (63% in the Kashmir Valley) do not so this option does not seem to work either. But the UN resolutions for a plebiscite are limited to these two options – India or Pakistan. Clearly the Muslims of J & K do not understand this issue or have been mislead. What they want is ‘Full Independence’ and that is not presently on offer. (from 'Peace in Kashmir - Myth and Reality'; pg-15)

Our eyes are open. What about yours?

Now there will be a deluge of images of Pakistani flag in Kashmir.

 

[NWO]

Pakistan is fighting for their right to choose, but they can only choose Pakistan, isn't that right.

Everybody from the Pakistan government and the Pakistan army to the common man on the street wants Kashmir to be part of Pakistan. The right to choose is just a patent lie to support the Kashmiri insurgents across the borders under the garb of 'Morals'.

Kashmiris understand that, thats why the majority isnt voting for Pakistan, you could open your eyes to that buddy.

Well, we are willing to let them vote. Why aren't you? We know that they are could easily become independent, and are willing to allow that. If we don't, we'll have the world to answer to.

 

[bandit]

Correction, we only sent our forces once India started invading Kashmir. We prevented half of Kashmir to be usurped by India and we will give up our area too, to give that choice to Kashmiris if they choose to go away from us.



We are that confident about their choice, are you? If you're confident then man up and let them choose.

Correction, you sent the tribesmen, armed and supported by the Government, you had no legal right to be in Kashmir, you still don't.

BBC NEWS | South Asia | Kashmir: The origins of the dispute

In October 1947, Pashtun tribesmen from Pakistan's North-West Frontier Province invaded Kashmir.

There had been persistent reports of communal violence against Muslims in the state and, supported by the Pakistani Government, they were eager to precipitate its accession to Pakistan.


Mountbatten favoured Kashmir's temporary accession to India
Troubled by the increasing deterioration in law and order and by earlier raids, culminating in the invasion of the tribesmen, the ruler, Maharaja Hari Singh, requested armed assistance from India.

The then Governor-General, Lord Mountbatten, believed the developing situation would be less explosive if the state were to accede to India, on the understanding that this would only be temporary prior to "a referendum, plebiscite, election".

 

[bandit]

Well, we are willing to let them vote. Why aren't you? We know that they are could easily become independent, and are willing to allow that. If we don't, we'll have the world to answer to.

Your country's official policy is for Kashmir to join Pakistan , your army commanders are on record demanding Kashmir from US.
Who are you trying to fool?

 

[RamGorur]

Correction, we only sent our forces once India started invading Kashmir. We prevented half of Kashmir to be usurped by India...

Lets buy that snake oil for a moment. Now, under which international law was Pakistan entitled to cross the international border of Kashmir?

...and we will give up our area too, to give that choice to Kashmiris if they choose to go away from us.

Some more snake oil.

' No person or political party in Azad Jammu and Kashmir shall be permitted to propagate against, or take part in activities prejudicial or detrimental to, the ideology of the State’s accession to Pakistan. '

- AJK Interim Constitution Act, 1974; sec-7(2)

We are that confident about their choice, are you? If you're confident then man up and let them choose.

Yes, you are so confident that by law you don't allow them have any political aspiration other than the one vetted by Islamabad; not even the one vetted by UN - right to chose India.

 

[TalhaBD]

Inna Lillah Hi Wa Inna Ilayhi Rajioon...

Such acts of brutality become a norm when the foundations of power are essentially based upon corruption and oppression. The Indians are doing what they are supposed to do.

Whatsoever is happening today in Indian held Kashmir and all other occupied Muslim lands is only telling us one thing:

We as an "umma" really need to ponder upon our acts and our state of unity. A ground reality is that today we are a scattered bunch of sticks being broken by whoever wants to break them and whenever. Even an alpha lion is prone to danger of death when confronting a pack of hyenas alone.

Moreover, most of us have lost hope in ourselves and thus corrupted our faith. Whereas our "deen" is nothing more than purity in belief in Allah (swt). We may strongly say no to it by saying we believe in Allah but unless we correct our state of belief with utmost sincerity and real understanding and prove our faith with our acts, this situation of disparity will never change.

This will keep on happening until we put our act together, believe that not USA or any other so called super power is our "Rab" but Allah is. The day we start to believe right, will be the day our mothers will automatically start giving births to Khalid bin Walids, Salahuddins, Muhammad bin Qasim, Tariq bin Ziyad, Muhammad Iqbals and Muhammad Ali Jinnahs and world will again see that justice is truly served. InshaAllah!

 

[Tuahaa]

Correction, you sent the tribesmen, armed and supported by the Government, you had no legal right to be in Kashmir, you still don't.

BBC NEWS | South Asia | Kashmir: The origins of the dispute

Perhaps you need to be reminded of the terms of the two state solution.

Muslim Majority = Pakistan
Hindu Majority = India

Kashmir is the former, it should have gone to Pakistan. Now, when Kashmir is free (no doubt it will), we will give Kashmiris the right to choose if they want their own state or not. And guess what? They will be hostile towards India and the deeds of the Indian army will be written in blood in their history books.

Come on, think for a second- the actions of the Indian army aren't important (who cares what happens nowadays? Strong bully the weak) but their consequences are.

However, I feel it is too late.

 

[Tuahaa]

Your country's official policy is for Kashmir to join Pakistan , your army commanders are on record demanding Kashmir from US.
Who are you trying to fool?

Look: We don't care if they join or not. They will always be hostile towards India, and atleast a friendly nation towards us. Infact, I think it is better that they get their own country because what happens if Pakistan can't manage them? Then they'll get angrier.

 

[bandit]

Perhaps you need to be reminded of the terms of the two state solution.

Muslim Majority = Pakistan
Hindu Majority = India

Kashmir is the former, it should have gone to Pakistan. Now, when Kashmir is free (no doubt it will), we will give Kashmiris the right to choose if they want their own state or not. And guess what? They will be hostile towards India and the deeds of the Indian army will be written in blood in their history books.

Come on, think for a second- the actions of the Indian army aren't important (who cares what happens nowadays? Strong bully the weak) but their consequences are.

However, I feel it is too late.

I think you need to be taught some history again, and this time not from Pakistani text books.

Muslim majority rule applied to British India, and not to Princely States like Kashmir.

 

[Tuahaa]

I think you need to be taught some history again, and this time not from Pakistani text books.

Muslim majority rule applied to British India, and not to Princely States like Kashmir.

Then what exactly happened to Junagadh? Hindu majority, Muslim ruler, goes to India even though the ruler wanted to be with Pakistan. Kashmir, however, was muslim majority, hindu ruler, and it still went to India.

I am aware of the situation- and I know that a lot of hypocrisy is involved.

 

[LaBong]

Why you people keep blaming the Army? Not a single death has been cause by army but Kashmir Police and CRPF.

 

[toppys]

Perhaps you need to be reminded of the terms of the two state solution.

Muslim Majority = Pakistan
Hindu Majority = India

Kashmir is the former, it should have gone to Pakistan. Now, when Kashmir is free (no doubt it will), we will give Kashmiris the right to choose if they want their own state or not. And guess what? They will be hostile towards India and the deeds of the Indian army will be written in blood in their history books.

Come on, think for a second- the actions of the Indian army aren't important (who cares what happens nowadays? Strong bully the weak) but their consequences are.

However, I feel it is too late.

when kashmir is free u will give kashmiris right to choose, now that is a new defenition of freedom..