Kashmir issue can be solved only by Jihad l Maulana Abdul Akbar Chitrali in Assembly

[Malik Alpha]

This idea you state above is the root of the problem that the non-Muslim world has with Muslims. Allah does NOT support all self-proclaimed Muslims against non-Muslims. Allah cares about all his human children, regardless of their human-inspired religious beliefs. However, the belief that Muslims are always supported by Allah in their political disputes causes the very dangerous, intractable conflicts that you see where ever Muslims come into political conflict with non-Muslims. The belief in Muslim superiority above all other humans, and their rights, is hateful.

Allah is with the oppressed not with humans who are killing other humans for oil and land.

 

[StormBreaker]

Man, you really want a nuclear war ?? You think you will find a bunker to hide in ??

Kashmir needs a political solution.

Here's my contribution towards that :

1. Let India and Pakistan both become governed by the same Progressive / Socialist Direct Democracy system, while remaining two independent countries. This will be like how pre-2003 Iraq and Syria were, both governed by Ba'ath ideology while remaining two independent republics.

2. Let the India-administered Kashmir remain with India and Pakistan-administered Kashmir remain with Pakistan.

3. Convert the LoC into an International Border which is passable by passport for the reasons of trade, tourism and family visits.
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This will remove most of the militant ideology surrounding the Kashmir issue. The only remaining militantism will be of the Regressive religious sort and that can be sorted out by both countries.

And this will also have the great effect of bringing both countries to a Progressive political system and governance.

@litman @fitpOsitive @StormBreaker

Out of all the Indian members of this forum, i have found you the most reasonable and tolerant as well as friendly.

However, i would like to raise some points, points that are conflicting with your suggestions. First of all, kindly don’t think that i am saying this because we are rivals and i am a Pakistani and i will speak against india, Nope. When i talk to level headed people, i speak with reasons and unbiased with no emotions or personal problems in those convos.

So,
The problem lately in India, and this has risen very much in the past decade, that a huge country, India, has a huge population, a population that is double digit on total world’s population.

Staying under one flag for the Indian population has become impossible or less possible. The adhesion among the public is lost, too much differences between the states and people, from different background, some states wanting separation while others wanting to govern the flag.

Sooner or later (not to hurt you buddy), there is a possibility that state of India will dissolve into some Major States and some minor states. Major including Gujrat, connecting it to Delhi, UP, MP and possibly Chattisgarh and Maharashtra (Dont be surprised of me knowing indian states very well, i have been a fan of maps since I didn’t even know basic addition).
The right hand of india ( i call it) that includes Assam, Nagaland, Aru Pradesh, Sikkim might come out as separate, independent states. There is a possibility to f State of Punjab that includes Rajasthan, Haryana, Punjab and HP.

J&K is quite complicated to say at the moment, it would be upon them to join AJK or declare independence.

Lastly, the southern Major state of Tamils, Karnataka and kerala. Don’t know what becomes of AP, could form up with delhi. West Bengal with east bengal.

All of this, once again, i say this that i am by no means speaking as a regular Pakistani who has some grudge against India, Nope. Personally, I don’t even care about india, coz I understand the wider game of politics and media and fascism and how they are trying to change this subcontinent to a
Half-Lifeistan.

Coming back to your points, the best solution would be a solution on tables, followed by an agreement to boost mutual trade and relations.

Reason : A table solution takes place, whatsoever happens of Kashmir, most certainly masses of both sides won’t be happy, it is hardcoded in genes due to the last seven decades. It will be more than just a regular iche for fascists of Hindutva Ideology (Modi and RSS), they still wouldn’t want to stay happy, so to ensure that they won’t come back at us or kashmir, a hardcore trade agreement pact should be signed, such that the benefits of this would reflect upon both economies soon that the eyes of sleeping public of both sides open, they will know how important a trade relation with each other is more than war which just brings destruction. Both countries will see massive FDIs and joint venture in terms of Transport routes and Gas pipelines, oil etc.

We Pakistanis are generally very welcoming and happy people and we don’t give a shit to any problem or conflict unless it concerns us.

So in short, “Table could solve kashmir but cannot eradicate the hardcoded hate on genes of concerned people”

@Mangus Ortus Novem @PakSword @SIPRA @Starlord @Dubious

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

Out of all the Indian members of this forum, i have found you the most reasonable and tolerant as well as friendly.

However, i would like to raise some points, points that are conflicting with your suggestions. First of all, kindly don’t think that i am saying this because we are rivals and i am a Pakistani and i will speak against india, Nope. When i talk to level headed people, i speak with reasons and unbiased with no emotions or personal problems in those convos.

So,
The problem lately in India, and this has risen very much in the past decade, that a huge country, India, has a huge population, a population that is double digit on total world’s population.

Staying under one flag for the Indian population has become impossible or less possible. The adhesion among the public is lost, too much differences between the states and people, from different background, some states wanting separation while others wanting to govern the flag.

Sooner or later (not to hurt you buddy), there is a possibility that state of India will dissolve into some Major States and some minor states. Major including Gujrat, connecting it to Delhi, UP, MP and possibly Chattisgarh and Maharashtra (Dont be surprised of me knowing indian states very well, i have been a fan of maps since I didn’t even know basic addition).
The right hand of india ( i call it) that includes Assam, Nagaland, Aru Pradesh, Sikkim might come out as separate, independent states. There is a possibility to f State of Punjab that includes Rajasthan, Haryana, Punjab and HP.

J&K is quite complicated to say at the moment, it would be upon them to join AJK or declare independence.

Lastly, the southern Major state of Tamils, Karnataka and kerala. Don’t know what becomes of AP, could form up with delhi. West Bengal with east bengal.

All of this, once again, i say this that i am by no means speaking as a regular Pakistani who has some grudge against India, Nope. Personally, I don’t even care about india, coz I understand the wider game of politics and media and fascism and how they are trying to change this subcontinent to a
Half-Lifeistan.

Coming back to your points, the best solution would be a solution on tables, followed by an agreement to boost mutual trade and relations.

Reason : A table solution takes place, whatsoever happens of Kashmir, most certainly masses of both sides won’t be happy, it is hardcoded in genes due to the last seven decades. It will be more than just a regular iche for fascists of Hindutva Ideology (Modi and RSS), they still wouldn’t want to stay happy, so to ensure that they won’t come back at us or kashmir, a hardcore trade agreement pact should be signed, such that the benefits of this would reflect upon both economies soon that the eyes of sleeping public of both sides open, they will know how important a trade relation with each other is more than war which just brings destruction. Both countries will see massive FDIs and joint venture in terms of Transport routes and Gas pipelines, oil etc.

We Pakistanis are generally very welcoming and happy people and we don’t give a shit to any problem or conflict unless it concerns us.

So in short, “Table could solve kashmir but cannot eradicate the hardcoded hate on genes of concerned people”

@Mangus Ortus Novem @PakSword @SIPRA @Starlord @Dubious

Our short term goal should be this.

 

[Gangetic]

Just like Gilgits and AJK folk kicked Gangadeshis out, Kashmiris will need to do the same.

 

[Wood]

Our short term goal should be this.

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South India is disputed territory. Exactly who will dispute be with?

 

[StormBreaker]

Our short term goal should be this.

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No thanks, we don’t want to include a segment of people who are involved into rapes and fascism. Although this doesn’t represent all indians but given the frequent news on this topic, this is a huge figure of rape oriented mindset men.

We are happy with what we are.

 

[jamal18]

What he is saying is fundamentally true, diplomacy has run its course, there is absolutely no question of a negotiated settlement. There is only a military solution.

How and when is a different ball game.

 

[Wood]

This idea you state above is the root of the problem that the non-Muslim world has with Muslims. Allah does NOT support all self-proclaimed Muslims against non-Muslims. Allah cares about all his human children, regardless of their human-inspired religious beliefs. However, the belief that Muslims are always supported by Allah in their political disputes causes the very dangerous, intractable conflicts that you see where ever Muslims come into political conflict with non-Muslims. The belief in Muslim superiority above all other humans, and their rights, is hateful.

If Allah cares for all his human children equally, then there is no point in being a Muslim no? The reason why religions exist is precisely because the practitioners believe that they are doing what the almighty really wants humanity to do; thus enabling them to enjoy an elevated status in their lord's purview.

ALL religious folks have a tendency to think that God is on their side in political conflicts. It is just that in the current age, Muslims are more comparatively ardent in that belief than others.

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

No thanks, we don’t want to include a segment of people who are involved into rapes and fascism. Although this doesn’t represent all indians but given the frequent news on this topic, this is a huge figure of rape oriented mindset men.

We are happy with what we are.

Islam will get rid of this rape culture.

South India is disputed territory. Exactly who will dispute be with?

with Pakistan.

 

[doorstar]

Even US with all its power cannot win against the modern day Jihad and you think India will win?

Stop finding excuses.

PMIK should declare Jihad against India immediately.

who says that it wants to, you numbnuts? after "winning" what pretext would it use for its presence every where, you cursed injun or crypto injun?

PMIK should declare Jihad against India immediately.

thus give America the pretext to do what it wanted to do but was averted by Gen. Musharraf.

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either convert to Islam, leave the land, or die).

hello gungoo!

 

[StormBreaker]

Islam will get rid of this rape culture.



with Pakistan.

How old are you ?

 

[doorstar]

What is a “ Modern day “ Jihad ?

inciting America to oppress the life out of "Islamic" countries

 

[StormBreaker]

inciting America to oppress the life out of "Islamic" countries

Inciting ? Lol.

Why blaming Muslims for something the greed of oil did to USA

 

[SIPRA]

The kind of current very tense relations and ongoing war of words and narratives, between India and Pakistan, can lead to a severe escalation, at any time. That would be the time, when circumstances may force some sort of resolution of Kashmir issue.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Kashmir Ka Masla Jihad Se Hal Hoga | Moulana Abdul Akbar Chitrali Speech

so u want 250 million pakistanis to risk their lives for 15 million kashmiris???? no wonder why pakistan is such a chithole because of idiots like u who are too concerned about others while ur own house is not in order.