Kashmir is ours: Pakistan told US in 2002

[DesiGuy]

oh, ca'mon kashmir. no need to say anything.

 

[KashmiriPandit]

Kashmir is either ours or its Independent because whatever India did to it since 1947 was clearly a failure otherwise we won't see this day . Please don't compare Balochistan with Kashmir ... these are two poles apart situations .

It is very easy for you to say. You were never dragged out of your home and your home hurned. Your gradmother did not die in an atmosphere of fear and mad rage. It is very easy to type comments while sitting in your room comfortably sipping coca cola.

 

[nForce]

They hypocrisy is that Indian army killing innocent Kashmiri people and saying they are being funded by Pakistan....

The fact that cross border terrorism was indeed employed as a state policy was accepted by both the present President as well as the previous dictator of Pakistan.What they don't want to accept is they are presently involved or not.Anyways,there is not much of militancy left in the state nowadays,specially after the fortification and fencing of the borders.If you don't want to accept it then it is hypocrisy indeed.

Under a situation of external threat,India reserves its rights to defend herself.Its not like the Indian Army is scoring some points or getting a holiday package by killing some innocent people.As a matter of fact,most of the forces there are raised from Kashmir only.The JAKLI,which is again raised from Jammu & Kashmir played a significant role in counter terrorist operations.Are you suggesting,that they are killing the people of their own state,just for the sake of killing??? Cant be anymore delusional.

By the same examples you have given to Hyderabad and Junagarh , the ruler of kashmir had no right to go against majority of Muslim population and he did which is totally utterly unrealistic and childish move which now leads to administrative,economic,bureaucratic,social and political problems in kashmir.....

I think you need to go back to your history classes again.....Maharaja Hari Singh had still not decided which side he should accede to.It was after the attacks from the Pakistani side in the form of militia,that he decided to accede to India.Had the Pakistani side played the situation with a bit more patience and logic,the results could have been in their favour indeed.But then,Pakistani leadership is historically known to act on haste,with insurmountable amounts of emotion and almost complete absence of rational thinking,beginning with the handling of the issue of Kashmir.
You may refer to the letter written by Hari Singh himself to Lord Mountbatten,that will throw some light on the situation of that time.

My dear Lord Mountbatten,

I have to inform Your Excellency that a grave emergency has arisen in my State and request the immediate assistance of your Government. As Your Excellency is aware,the State of Jammu and Kashmir has not acceded to either the Dominion of India or Pakistan. Geographically my State is contiguous wit h both of them. Besides, my State has a common boundary with the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and with China. In their external relations the Dominion of India and Pakistan cannot ignore this fact. I wanted to take time to decide to which Dominion I should accede or whether it is not in the best interests of both the Dominions and of my State to stand independent, of course with friendly and cordial relations with both. I accordingly approached the Dominions of India and Pakistan to enter into standstill agreement with my State. The Pakistan Government accepted this arrangement. The Dominion of India desired further discussion with representatives of my Government. I could not arrange this in view of the developments indicated below. ln fact the Pakistan Goernment under the standstill agreement is operating the post and telegraph system inside the State. Though we have got a standstill agreement with the Pakistan Government, lhe Govemment permitted a steady and increasing strangulation of supplies like food, salt and petrol to my State.

Afridis, soldiers in plain clothes, and desperadoes wnh modern weapons have been allowed to infiltrate into the State, at first in the Poonch area, then from Sia1kot and finally in a mass in the area adjoining-Hazara district on the Ramkote side. The result has been that the limited number of troops at the disposal of the State had to be dispersed and thus had to face the enemy at several points simultaneously, so that it has become difficult to stop the wanton destruction of life ad property and the looting of the Mahura power house, which supplies electric current to the whole of Srinagar and which has been burnt. The number of women who have been kidnpped and raped makes my heart bleed. The wild forces thus let loose on the State are marching on with the aim of capturing Srinagar, the summer capital of my government, as a first step to overrunning the whole State.The mass infiltration of tribesman drawn from distant areas of the North-West Frontier Province, coming regularly in motortrucks, using the Manwehra-Mazaffarabad road and fully armed with up-to-date weapons, cannot possibly be done without the knowledge of the Provincial Govemment of the North-West Frontier Province and the Government of Pakistan. Inspite of repeated appeals made by my Government no attempt has been made to check these raiders or to stop them from coming into my State. In fact, both radio and the Press of Pakistan have reported these occurences. The Pakistan radio even put out the story that a provisional government has been set up in Kashmir. The people of my State, both Muslims and non-Muslims, generally have taken no part at all.

With the conditbns obtaining at present in my State and the great emergency of the situation as it exists, I have no option but to ask for help from the Indian Dominion. Naturally they cannot send the help asked for by me without my State acceding to the Dominion of India. I have accordingly decided to do so, and I attach the instrument of accession for acceptance by your Government. The other alternative is to leave my state and people to free booters. On this basis no civilised government can exist or be maintained.

This alternative I will never allow to happen so long as I am the ruler of the State and I have life to defend my country. I may also inform your Excellency's Government that it is my intention at once to set up an interim government and to ask Sheikh Abdullah to carry the responsibilities in this emergency with my Prime Minister.

If my State is to be saved, immediate assistance must be available at Srinagar. Mr. V.P. Menon is fully aware of the gravity of the situation and will explain it to you, if further explanation is needed.

In haste and with kindest regards,

Yours sincerely,

Hari Singh
October 26, 1947

I hope you got the actual picture and dont always see that side of coin which you like.... see the other side too....
In one case for like head side of coin and on other tail (coz thats what suits your needs)

Innocent people are suffering so please see both sides of coin...

We are very much willing to see the other side of the coin,provided that the approach is worthy enough to be considered civilized.If that approach consists of sending a bunch of mind washed youth across the border with a gun in hand and conducting IED blasts and grenade attacks in public places,then our response will be in accordance with what Newton's third law says about motion.