roadrunner
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mr roadrunner mujahideen is right I've met afghans who have told me pakistan is an artificial state and that pakistanis aren't real muslims to them,they heavily encourage and praise all the seperatist and anti-pakistan organizations in our country.
Considering most Afghans can't speak or write English, yet you can write it together with some correct punctuation, I hardly doubt you would know even basic Pashto (or Farsi) let alone are able to converse with a proper Afghani.
Also considering the fact you're from the UK (I'm assuming it's true), there is only a very small community of Afghans there that again are a mixture of predominantly Tajiks, the majority of the Pashtuns (which again are minor) are from Pakistan.
To come out with the sweeping generalizations that Pakistanis aren't real Muslims to them is like saying that a relative of theirs is a non Muslim, since many Afghan Pashtuns have relatives on the Eastern side of the Durand Line. For such a conservative group of people (which Afghan Pashtuns are for the most part), is a little difficult to swallow as true.
Once again, I would urge you to distinguish between your kiddie friends that may not want to talk to you, the internet where people generally talk trash under a false pretense, and REALITY which is that Afghanistan is a mixture of ethnic groups, none of whom think the same culturally or politically, and even within these ethnic groups there is a wide variety of opinion. To generalize the thinking of whole nations based on some experience you had down at the Mosque in the US or on some internet sites you've been on, could only be possible for an extremely dum-b person (there's no other way to describe it).
They HATE pakistan i'm not exaggerating real deep rooted hate they don't just want land from us they want us to wiped off the map.
OH PU-LEASE! Afghan Pashtuns now want their families in NWFP dead? Considering many real Pashtuns (not the fake ones that inhabit the internet or exist outside of Afghanistan and Pakistan with 1 or two relatives that had a hint of Afghan in their ancestral line at one time in ancient history), have relatives on both sides of the Durand Line, I don't think this sort of generalization can be considered very accurate that they want Pakistan wiped off the map.
Karzai is a perfect example of this a man who fled to our country who got married there and keeps his family living there because afghanistan is too unsafe yet spits venom at pak every chance he gets
Karzai is one Afghan out of tens of millions. To base an opinion of all Afghans being like Karzai is one of the thickest things I've heard for a while. It's like saying all Germans are Nazis because of Hitler's policies. Separate out politics from the views of the common man or woman.
,if u want more proof go to an afghan site too u will see the hatred most of them have tell them you are pakistani and they will spit on you just because you are pakistani.
AHHH! Now we have it! Your opinion is based on Internet sites


We are blinded by this brotherly nonsense we think just because both are muslim countries they support us and we should defend and care about them when in reality they do not care about us at all and are very happy to see us destabalized.I think they were the only country to vote against us in the UN at our birth also can u name one thing afghanistan has ever helped us in ? I have been saying this for a long time afghanistan is our biggest enemy we need to focus our military forces less on india and more on the border regions and shut afghans out completely .Leave them and let them deal with their own problems it would be better to not burden ourselves with other's problems and deal with our own first.
I could name several instances of Afghans sacrificing thousands of soldiers for Pakistan, but I can't say that Pakistan has done the same for Afghanistan, except to give it covert help. Try reading about the Battle of Panipat. When the Hindu Marathas had invaded Lahore and the Punjab, Waliullah wrote to Ahmed Shah Abdali seeking his help in defeating them. Abdali raised an army and defeated the Marathas recovering Punjab under Muslim rule. It's all written in fact on Pakistani websites, you should read it too, before making wild ignorant statements along with "Mujahideen" who doesn't seem to know even the Partition voting alternatives of the NWFP. Here it is from the "storyofPakistan" website.
Shah Wali Ullah tried to reconcile the basic differences amongst the different sections of the Muslims and considered the government as an essential means and agency for regeneration of the community. He wrote to Ahmad Shah Abdali; "...give up the life of ease. Draw the sword and do not to sheath it till the distinction is established between true faith and infidelity...".
His efforts resulted in the defeat of the Marhattas at the hands of Ahmad Shah Abdali and Najib-ud-Daula, in the third battle of Panipat in 1761.
Shah Wali Ullah’s Reform Movement [1707-1762]
However, the Mughals were too busy in court entertainment to adhere to the call for reform. In 1739, Nadir Shah of Persia, waiting for an opportune moment, marched into Delhi with his army, sacked and plundered the capital, killed sunni inhabitants and looted the entire Mughal treasury. No doubt, it was one of the darkest moments in the Mughal history. Clearly, the Mughals were no longer in command. Recognizing the dwindling power of the Mughals and the rise of anti-Islamic forces, mainly the Hindu Marathas and Jats in the south, and the Sikhs in the north, Shah Waliullah searched for other viable options for restoration of a just social order.
Due to his eminence as a great scholar and Sufi, he was able to inspire Najib-ul-Daula and Abdali, for the plight of Muslims in Delhi. In a letter to Abdali, Waliullah’s sentiments are clear
“We appeal to you in the name of God to divert your attention to this affair and earn the glory of waging a holy war and rescue the Muslims from the hands of unbelievers. The undertaking should not resemble the invasion of Nadir Shah (1739) [although a Muslim, he sacked and plundered Delhi] who destroyed the Muslims and left the Marathas and the Jats intact. I fear the day when, if the Muslims become still weaker, no trace of Islam would remain” (Abbot 118).
It is important to note that Shah Waliullah never accepted any post from any rulers. He remained a teacher and an ardent supporter of Muslim cause at Rahimiyya College his entire life. The Shah Waliullah’s campaign was such that in 1761, after a long arduous struggle, Abdali was able to rout the Marathas and Jats in the third Battle of Panipat.