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mr roadrunner mujahideen is right I've met afghans who have told me pakistan is an artificial state and that pakistanis aren't real muslims to them,they heavily encourage and praise all the seperatist and anti-pakistan organizations in our country.

Considering most Afghans can't speak or write English, yet you can write it together with some correct punctuation, I hardly doubt you would know even basic Pashto (or Farsi) let alone are able to converse with a proper Afghani.

Also considering the fact you're from the UK (I'm assuming it's true), there is only a very small community of Afghans there that again are a mixture of predominantly Tajiks, the majority of the Pashtuns (which again are minor) are from Pakistan.

To come out with the sweeping generalizations that Pakistanis aren't real Muslims to them is like saying that a relative of theirs is a non Muslim, since many Afghan Pashtuns have relatives on the Eastern side of the Durand Line. For such a conservative group of people (which Afghan Pashtuns are for the most part), is a little difficult to swallow as true.

Once again, I would urge you to distinguish between your kiddie friends that may not want to talk to you, the internet where people generally talk trash under a false pretense, and REALITY which is that Afghanistan is a mixture of ethnic groups, none of whom think the same culturally or politically, and even within these ethnic groups there is a wide variety of opinion. To generalize the thinking of whole nations based on some experience you had down at the Mosque in the US or on some internet sites you've been on, could only be possible for an extremely dum-b person (there's no other way to describe it).

They HATE pakistan i'm not exaggerating real deep rooted hate they don't just want land from us they want us to wiped off the map.

OH PU-LEASE! Afghan Pashtuns now want their families in NWFP dead? Considering many real Pashtuns (not the fake ones that inhabit the internet or exist outside of Afghanistan and Pakistan with 1 or two relatives that had a hint of Afghan in their ancestral line at one time in ancient history), have relatives on both sides of the Durand Line, I don't think this sort of generalization can be considered very accurate that they want Pakistan wiped off the map.

Karzai is a perfect example of this a man who fled to our country who got married there and keeps his family living there because afghanistan is too unsafe yet spits venom at pak every chance he gets

Karzai is one Afghan out of tens of millions. To base an opinion of all Afghans being like Karzai is one of the thickest things I've heard for a while. It's like saying all Germans are Nazis because of Hitler's policies. Separate out politics from the views of the common man or woman.

,if u want more proof go to an afghan site too u will see the hatred most of them have tell them you are pakistani and they will spit on you just because you are pakistani.

AHHH! Now we have it! Your opinion is based on Internet sites :enjoy: :cheers: Internet sites generally tend to attract a particular type of person, and also a lot of fake people. Have you ever spoken to even one, just one, Afghan in Afghanistan, freely, to know their real opinion, as opposed to some third generation pimple-ridden Afghani-Tajik son of a taxi driver that's been raised in a culture separate to what exists in Afghanistan? I think not on the evidence so far....

We are blinded by this brotherly nonsense we think just because both are muslim countries they support us and we should defend and care about them when in reality they do not care about us at all and are very happy to see us destabalized.I think they were the only country to vote against us in the UN at our birth also can u name one thing afghanistan has ever helped us in ? I have been saying this for a long time afghanistan is our biggest enemy we need to focus our military forces less on india and more on the border regions and shut afghans out completely .Leave them and let them deal with their own problems it would be better to not burden ourselves with other's problems and deal with our own first.

I could name several instances of Afghans sacrificing thousands of soldiers for Pakistan, but I can't say that Pakistan has done the same for Afghanistan, except to give it covert help. Try reading about the Battle of Panipat. When the Hindu Marathas had invaded Lahore and the Punjab, Waliullah wrote to Ahmed Shah Abdali seeking his help in defeating them. Abdali raised an army and defeated the Marathas recovering Punjab under Muslim rule. It's all written in fact on Pakistani websites, you should read it too, before making wild ignorant statements along with "Mujahideen" who doesn't seem to know even the Partition voting alternatives of the NWFP. Here it is from the "storyofPakistan" website.

Shah Wali Ullah tried to reconcile the basic differences amongst the different sections of the Muslims and considered the government as an essential means and agency for regeneration of the community. He wrote to Ahmad Shah Abdali; "...give up the life of ease. Draw the sword and do not to sheath it till the distinction is established between true faith and infidelity...".

His efforts resulted in the defeat of the Marhattas at the hands of Ahmad Shah Abdali and Najib-ud-Daula, in the third battle of Panipat in 1761.
Shah Wali Ullah’s Reform Movement [1707-1762]

However, the Mughals were too busy in court entertainment to adhere to the call for reform. In 1739, Nadir Shah of Persia, waiting for an opportune moment, marched into Delhi with his army, sacked and plundered the capital, killed sunni inhabitants and looted the entire Mughal treasury. No doubt, it was one of the darkest moments in the Mughal history. Clearly, the Mughals were no longer in command. Recognizing the dwindling power of the Mughals and the rise of anti-Islamic forces, mainly the Hindu Marathas and Jats in the south, and the Sikhs in the north, Shah Waliullah searched for other viable options for restoration of a just social order.

Due to his eminence as a great scholar and Sufi, he was able to inspire Najib-ul-Daula and Abdali, for the plight of Muslims in Delhi. In a letter to Abdali, Waliullah’s sentiments are clear

“We appeal to you in the name of God to divert your attention to this affair and earn the glory of waging a holy war and rescue the Muslims from the hands of unbelievers. The undertaking should not resemble the invasion of Nadir Shah (1739) [although a Muslim, he sacked and plundered Delhi] who destroyed the Muslims and left the Marathas and the Jats intact. I fear the day when, if the Muslims become still weaker, no trace of Islam would remain” (Abbot 118).

It is important to note that Shah Waliullah never accepted any post from any rulers. He remained a teacher and an ardent supporter of Muslim cause at Rahimiyya College his entire life. The Shah Waliullah’s campaign was such that in 1761, after a long arduous struggle, Abdali was able to rout the Marathas and Jats in the third Battle of Panipat.
 
^^If your evidence is based on your experiences in the US, how exactly can you know what people in Afghanistan are thinking? I mentioned amongst the various ethnic groups in Afghanistan there were broad differences in their loyalties which are based on cultural, linguistic, and ethnic affiliations. This holds true for the people of Afghanistan. Since most Afghanis who went to the US are of the Tajiki-Afghan background (based on Taliban persecution or alleged), then you are experiencing a minority of one ethnical viewpoint, from the many different ethnical viewpoints in Afghanistan. What I'm saying is totally different to what you're saying. It would not make economic sense for an Afghan Pashtun, who does most of his trade in the NWFP to want NWFP to join with Afghanistan in the state that it's in, because it would ruin their businesses. There's plenty of evidence why it's not logical for an Afghan Pashtun to dream of Pakistan splitting up, because it would end up being detrimental for themselves. The same doesn't apply to Tajik-Afghans, and I haven't a clue what this "they only speak Urdu with Indians" is. I honestly think you're inventing this, or are just some paranoid post pubescent schoolkid basing fact on hearsay, because it doesn't make any sense to me. Why would an Afghani speak Urdu with Indians, but not with Pakistanis? I have never come across this scenario, but if you have come across it, perhaps they just don't like you personally?

Also I'll have to correct you. The NWFP did not have the choice of "choosing Pakistan over Afghanistan" as you put it. NWFP had the choice of choosing India over Pakistan, but chose the latter. Your understanding of this situation is very basic, and based on fiction it seems.

Now I have given you my personal experiences on Afghans and I swear by god these experiences are true and I bet you if you ask people who have been around Afghans they will tell you the same thing. Trust me they hate us. We have done so much for them but they still curse at us. Some things which I have said are based on things I have read in book or heard from other?
You also commented on the language part. Look they dont speak Urdu because basically they hate us. Now exactly why they hate to speak Urdu with us, I think it is because FATA and the NWFP decided to join us and not them. You also said that these people were like this with only me because they didn't like me, this again is wrong. I was known by every single Afghan in that neighborhood, and believe me they were good friends with me.
The part about the NWFP joining us and not them, I guess I wrote it wrong. The choice that these people were given was to be independent or join Pakistan. Now at the time of the vote Dr.Khan's ministry was in power and they were associated with Congress. Now Congress as we know opposed Pakistan and when the people voted for Pakistan Dr.Khan Sahibs Red Shirts and Congress advertised the idea of Paktonistan. Now Congress it is well know has assured Afghanistan that the NWFP would join Afghanistan after they declared independence, but when they choose Pakistan Dr.Khan Sahib continued with the idea of Paktonistan. Do you know at the time of independence this was the only Congress controlled ministry in Pakistan and it was dismissed because Dr.Khan Sahib and his party refused to salute the Pakistani flag.
Now when Afghanistan didn't get the NWFP they became the only country to oppose Pakistan's entry into the U.N. Now it is widely believed that Laiquat Ali Khan was assassinated by Afghanistan. His killer was Afghan. They played hosts to Al-Zulifikar and for 50 years have played hosts to RAW.(10 years RAW was unable to get into Afghanistan because of Taliban control)
Now you seem to have a lot of sympathy for Afghans I dont know why. Now it must also be noted that I am not blaming all Afghans, I am refering to a majority of them.
Now I ask you what have the Afghans done for us? This country has been at the forefront of anti-Pakistan activities. What I want to know is why you have so much sympathy for them? We have always shown goodwill towards them and in return only gotten hate. I say this goodwill must be stopped from our side.
 
Now I have given you my personal experiences on Afghans and I swear by god these experiences are true and I bet you if you ask people who have been around Afghans they will tell you the same thing. Trust me they hate us. We have done so much for them but they still curse at us. Some things which I have said are based on things I have read in book or heard from other?

Such a broad generalization based in a wet political world of second-generation teenage politics thus far in one particular area of the US dominated presumably by Afghan-Tajiks. How does this represent the views of Afghani people in Afghanistan?

You also commented on the language part. Look they dont speak Urdu because basically they hate us. Now exactly why they hate to speak Urdu with us, I think it is because FATA and the NWFP decided to join us and not them. You also said that these people were like this with only me because they didn't like me, this again is wrong. I was known by every single Afghan in that neighborhood, and believe me they were good friends with me.

Look, to class all Afghanis as polticians or their actions all as politically motivated is just sheer stupidity on your part. The common Afghani is not political in his country, he just wants money and food, not much else, and cannot generally converse with someone like you.

If Afghanis that you believe are your friends, do not speak Urdu with you, they perhaps are trying to send you a message....which you seen to be incapable of grasping!

The part about the NWFP joining us and not them, I guess I wrote it wrong. The choice that these people were given was to be independent or join Pakistan.

Where do you get all this trash from? Do you invent it, or just hallucinate it?

The NWFP was given TWO choices in the 1947 referendum
  • Join with India
  • Join with Pakistan

There was no third or fourth choices of going independent, or of joining with Afghanistan as you've been belching on here.

Now at the time of the vote Dr.Khan's ministry was in power and they were associated with Congress. Now Congress as we know opposed Pakistan and when the people voted for Pakistan Dr.Khan Sahibs Red Shirts and Congress advertised the idea of Paktonistan. Now Congress it is well know has assured Afghanistan that the NWFP would join Afghanistan after they declared independence, but when they choose Pakistan Dr.Khan Sahib continued with the idea of Paktonistan. Do you know at the time of independence this was the only Congress controlled ministry in Pakistan and it was dismissed because Dr.Khan Sahib and his party refused to salute the Pakistani flag.
Now when Afghanistan didn't get the NWFP they became the only country to oppose Pakistan's entry into the U.N. Now it is widely believed that Laiquat Ali Khan was assassinated by Afghanistan. His killer was Afghan. They played hosts to Al-Zulifikar and for 50 years have played hosts to RAW.(10 years RAW was unable to get into Afghanistan because of Taliban control)
Now you seem to have a lot of sympathy for Afghans I dont know why. Now it must also be noted that I am not blaming all Afghans, I am refering to a majority of them.

It wasn't as simplistic as you are trying to make out. But I don't see how the politics of referendum (which incidentally you've also made mistakes in describing), has anything to do with how the common Afghani thinks, nor how Liaquat Khan's killer has anything to do with how the common Afghani thinks. You are some politically motivated nut that can't think outside of a wet world of politics. To base ones impressions of a group of non-politicial people on the basis of regional politics can only be possible by a very unintelligent person. I do not blame people for pretending to not speak Urdu with you. I would do the same myself in their position.

Now I ask you what have the Afghans done for us? This country has been at the forefront of anti-Pakistan activities. What I want to know is why you have so much sympathy for them? We have always shown goodwill towards them and in return only gotten hate. I say this goodwill must be stopped from our side.

Can you not read? I gave you incidences from the Battles of Panipat? Seriously, do you have mental problems or are just some 10 year old pre-pubescent maniac that cannot absorb what is written down? If that is the case, I'll just not bother responding in the future, because I've explained all this at the end of my last post.
 
If all of them hates to much why dont we just get out from there and leave them what they want to do block all the road and stop providing eatable items each and every thing what they having from us and push all the Afghans who are in Pakistan also through them in to Afghanistan lets seee what happend .
 
If all of them hates to much why dont we just get out from there and leave them what they want to do block all the road and stop providing eatable items each and every thing what they having from us and push all the Afghans who are in Pakistan also through them in to Afghanistan lets seee what happend .

:rofl: Case in point. The internet opinion :crazy:
 
First of all our opinions a side for just a second ROADRUNNER. First of all I know you have opinions and so I do I and everyone else, but you do not have the right to call someone a nut, manic or any other type of insult. Look I told you my opinion and you said yours no where did I ever insult you and i have seen in many of your previous quotes insulting people just because they dont share the same views as you. Now you also said that you will stop responding in the future, I dont want you to do that. Believe me I learn from what you have to say and what other have to say and I am sure people learn from me as well.
Now you listed all the things Afghanistan has done for Pakistan. Come on man these examples were in the time of the Moguls. This is before Pakistan. We are talking about Afghan and Pakistani relationships.
Now when I stated that the choice given to the people of the NWFP was join Pakistan or declare independence. Now you are totally right that the choice was to join Pakistan or India. Now by independence what I meant and I apologize for it was that India(Congress) had promised the NWFP independence if they chose India. Now I have read many articles, books and even heard from people that India would of given the NWFP independence had they chose to join India. Now these people say the choice and everyone knew it that if they joined India independence would be given for a short while. Now in this short time period the independent NWFP, represented by Dr.Khan Sahib would negotiate a treaty a accession with Afghanistan. This promise or plan whatever you may call it was between three parties, Congress, Dr.Khan Sahib(representing people of the NWFP) and Afghanistan. What they had going was they would give the NWFP to Afghanistan and India belived that once Pakistan collapsed it would come and take it over. India thought that by giving thee NWFP to Afghanistan, the Afghans would be forever in debt to India, thus allowing India to use its territories for anti-Pakistan activity.
Afghanistan over the years has been a hub for anti-Pakistan activity. Now the part about Afghanistan being behind the assassination of Laiquat Ali khan. Now again I have seen people debate this subject and read many articles and books regarding this topic. Now form what we know the killer was a Afghan national and some say he had military background. Now the reason they compare the killing to Afghanistan is because since the NWFP decided not to join Pakistan they needed to teach Pakistan a lesson and who better then Laiquat Ali Khan, a man in my opinion if he would of been alive could of saved Pakistan, but that is another discussion and I dont want to discuss it.
Now Afghanistan was host to RAW and other Indian spy agencies from 1947 to until the Russians left Afghanistan. Now they also hosted AL-Zulfikar from I think 1978 till 1988 and some say Al-Zufikar still has its headquarters in Afghanistan, I personally dont agree with this. Al-Zulfikar was formed by the Bhutto family. It was funded from Pakistan by the PPP, it was funded by Russia, Libya, Syria and Afghanistan. Now they play hosts to today to RAW and the BLA.
Now Pakistan on every occasion has stood by Afghanistan at every step of the way even when we knew what they were doing. Afghanistan was the first and only country to vote against Pakistan's admission into the U.S. The Quaid-I-Azam himself tried to mend the fence but the Afghans did not listen to him.
Now you also dont believe my experience with Afghans, I dont know why but I can assure you that these experiences were true. You have also made a good point that I was in touch with a minority of Afghans, you are no doubt true. But I have been around people who have been to Afghanistan and who have been around Afghans, they say the same thing I say, and that is Afghans hate Pakistan.
You want, I respect your opinion and I think you should respect my opinion. And again I repeat that I learn from you and I am sure you can learn from me. Well in this some parts are facts and some are opinions, you probably can tell the difference.
 
if you want proof of how much afghans hate pakistan just go to any afghan and ask them what they think if pak yes the common afghan hates us.It is not a coincidence they have allowed indian so many embassies in their country (enemy of my enemy is a friend of mine)and why so many terrorists in pak were found to be afghans,tajiks and uzbeks it's obvious where they are coming through and why afghanistan is doing nothing to stop it .
 
if you want proof of how much afghans hate pakistan just go to any afghan and ask them what they think if pak yes the common afghan hates us.It is not a coincidence they have allowed indian so many embassies in their country (enemy of my enemy is a friend of mine)and why so many terrorists in pak were found to be afghans,tajiks and uzbeks it's obvious where they are coming through and why afghanistan is doing nothing to stop it .

Well said. If these people dont believe that Afghans hate Pakistan, go and ask them. But I would say dont ask just one person ask at least 10 and you will get your results. You also mentioned Indian embassies. These embassies are used by RAW for anti-Pakistan activities and the Afghan government is well aware of this fact.
 
Well few years back my visit to Peshawar, i analyze Pashtun of NWFP specially in civic and surrounding hate afghans so much. According to them they have ruined the whole NWFP.
 
Well few years back my visit to Peshawar, i analyze Pashtun of NWFP specially in civic and surrounding hate afghans so much. According to them they have ruined the whole NWFP.

Yes they do hate Afghanistan. The reason is that when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan, all the Afghans came to Pakistan and settled in the Frontier. They might speak the same language but they hate each other. Now when they settled in the Frontier they took all the jobs. This is why they hate Afghans.
The Afghans in Pakistan call themselves Pathan, They cant be Pathans, our Pathans are fearless they fight they dont run away, like the Afghans did when their country was attacked. They can never be Pathans. Now when they settled in the Frontier they took all the jobs. I remember that once I went to Saudia Arabia, and their was this Saudi cursing Pakistan. I remember this Pathan got up and cursed him out then smacked him, now we all know hat could happen in Saudia Arabia if a foreigner smacks a Saudi. I am not a Pathan but these people are very hard working. No matter where they might be in the world they always remember Pakistan, they wear Pakistan, eat Pakistan and always fly with PIA, no matter how expensive it may be.
 
if you want proof of how much afghans hate pakistan just go to any afghan and ask them what they think if pak yes the common afghan hates us.It is not a coincidence they have allowed indian so many embassies in their country (enemy of my enemy is a friend of mine)and why so many terrorists in pak were found to be afghans,tajiks and uzbeks it's obvious where they are coming through and why afghanistan is doing nothing to stop it .

I think we cannot ignore Khanz experiences altogether.
I always tend to trust the local person and value more local knowledge.
One thing is sure that Afghan from Uzbek and Tajik ethnicity are not friends of Pakistan.
Once, by chance I was on a same flight with Abdulla Abdulla and he was travelling with 11~12 Indians folks. Not a single other Afghani wsa with them.
It appeared that he is travelling with team of consultants.
Pretty much a reason.
 
Khanz said:
if you want proof of how much afghans hate pakistan just go to any afghan and ask them what they think if pak yes the common afghan hates us.

You have never spoken to the common Afghan. When were you last in Afghanistan?

It is not a coincidence they have allowed indian so many embassies in their country (enemy of my enemy is a friend of mine)

Are you really so thick you can't distinguish between politics and day to day life? People are not such politically obsessed dummies as yourself to care about these things on average. It is just the current government that controls the embassy composition, of which the common Afghani has no control over.

and why so many terrorists in pak were found to be afghans,tajiks and uzbeks it's obvious where they are coming through and why afghanistan is doing nothing to stop it .

In fact, no terrorist has been found to be Afghani for sure. Some looked a bit Tajik to me, but there wasn't 100% proof. And if they were, so what? One or two people's actions cannot be used as a marker of how the majority feel. Should we say all Arabs are terrorists because some of them did 911, or all Pakistanis are because of some Pakistani connections to terrorism? No, so be equal in applying your standards, else it makes you seem even less credible underneath all the broken English.

Well few years back my visit to Peshawar, i analyze Pashtun of NWFP specially in civic and surrounding hate afghans so much. According to them they have ruined the whole NWFP.

Well that's not true. Pashtuns of NWFP do not hate all Afghans, specially not Afghan Pashtuns.

Also, some of you kids need some growing up to do. Not everything is enshrined in a political wrapping that common people give a damn. It is true that Afghanis are cultural people, the Tajik-Afghans do have a bond with the Farsiwan, and this is important in where their allegiances lie. The different groupings of Afghanistan all have different allegiances, which is part of the problem for them.

But you're welcome to believe what you want. The basis of which as has been admitted, is some internet forums, or some Afghan Tajiks down at the local mosque refusing to speak Urdu to some impulsive nit on here that I personally don't bother replying to either. Same thing, nothing to do with nationality or ethnic group. Everything to do with stupidity, or ignoring stupid people though.
 
But you're welcome to believe what you want. The basis of which as has been admitted, is some internet forums, or some Afghan Tajiks down at the local mosque refusing to speak Urdu to some impulsive nit on here that I personally don't bother replying to either. Same thing, nothing to do with nationality or ethnic group. Everything to do with stupidity, or ignoring stupid people though.

The point that I was trying to make is that if they speak Urdu why cant they talk to us in Urdu. It is not because of what you said it is because they hate Pakistanis, they dont want to do anything which has a connection to Pakistan.
Go ahead you are free to argue with me, maybe just maybe you can get me into believing what you believe in. But I doubt you can convince me because your arguments are nit based on personal experience. I have seen, talked, listened and been around Afghans, I doubt that anything that you said is from persona experience, but then again I could be wrong because I dont know anything about you and you dont know anything about me.
 
Well few years back my visit to Peshawar, i analyze Pashtun of NWFP specially in civic and surrounding hate afghans so much. According to them they have ruined the whole NWFP.

you are right my father said the same and he is also from peshawar and always curses zia for promoting jihad and allowing them all in .According to him when he was growing up there was no terrorism,pushtoonistan nonsense and security problems and then since afghans started flooding in it's deteriorated so much he doesn't hate them but blames them for bringing into pak their extremist ideologies,drug trafficking,gun smugglers and refugees who contributed nothing while taking everything and completely screwed it up .I'm glad pakistan finally decided to fence them out.
 
you are right my father said the same and he is also from peshawar and always curses zia for promoting jihad and allowing them all in .According to him when he was growing up there was no terrorism,pushtoonistan nonsense and security problems and then since afghans started flooding in it's deteriorated so much he doesn't hate them but blames them for bringing into pak their extremist ideologies,drug trafficking,gun smugglers and refugees who contributed nothing while taking everything and completely screwed it up .I'm glad pakistan finally decided to fence them out.

Now your statement I agree, but their are a few things which I would like to give my personal opinion. With all due respect the Pustoonitan theory or ideology, which calls for the common home land for all Puntons was around before Zia. Now I dont have any book in front of me to back me up, but I think it has been around since the time when the British drew up the Dugraud Line. Now this line basically divided up the Puston people. The British basically drew a line on the map without any consideration for the area of the tribes and people of the area, I dont even think they conducted a survey of the area and if they did, them they are the most dumbest group of people on earth. Now when the Dugrad Line was drawn no one cared for it at the time but the British never had any administrative control of the area and when they did try to establish control they used force and were replied. Now this Pustoonistan movement gained strength when India was on the verge of being Partitioned. At the time of the Partition Dr.Khan and his Red Shirts were in power in the NWFP, backed by Congress. When Congress realized that Pakistan was to be born they spread this propaganda about a common homeland for the Puston people Pustoonitan. Fortunately their efforts were useless and the NWFP along with FATA joined Pakistan. But nonetheless over the years India set up a RAW base in Afghanistan who had the sole duty of spreading the Pushtoonistan propaganda.
Now we get to your father. Your father in my opinion is trying to say that President Zia is responsible for the troubles Pakistan is facing today. In my opinion your father is making this judgment in 2007, and you have to understand the times have changed. Now let me make it clear I am not criticizing your dad, and if you think I am I apologize this is not my goal. Anyway at that time the only reason Pakistan helped the Afghans was because it need to get revenge on Russia, because it partly blamed Russia for its defeat in East Pakistan, and I think any Pakistani at that time would of done the same thing he did. Now what Zia forgot was that Afghanistan was always a critic of Pakistan, to the extend that when Pakistan was created it was the only nation who was not in favor of Pakistan joining the U.N. What I would of done is fight a war with Russia, but not allow any Afghan to set foot on our territory. Now why this wasn't done we could only sit and guess today and we dont even know if this would be possible. Now here we are in 2008 and trying to guess what went wrong and I dont have the answer to this, but we have to keep in mind the situation was different, the time was different and many other things were different. Now what isn't different even in 2008 is the hate Afghans have for Pakistan. And with this hate they have once again tried to revive the Pushtoonistan movement for the sole purpose of seeing Pakistan disintegrate. We will not let them succeed. we will get through this difficult time as one and we have gotten by the most difficult of circumstances before and we surely will again. PAKISTAN ZINDABAD!
 
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