Karachi no 3 in crime rates but gets the most media attention: colum by Mujahid Barelvi

[W.11]

 

[Patriots]

Facts n Figures .........

 

[PurpleButcher]

Shouldn't this be posted in Stupid and Funny thread? So you are telling me that my hometown Rawalpindi had 13 times more kidnappings than KARACHI.....

Can this genius tell me the source of his facts and figures?

a) Unicorn
b) A dream
c) A phone call from UK

On a serious note please do not compare Karachi with the rest of Pakistan in terms of law and order. I have lived in Karachi and miss its hustle and bustle and wish that it regains it. Instead of accepting the reality that things have gone bad, one must not bury one's head!!!

 

[Chak Bamu]

Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

Statistics are generated by reporting incidents. Without reporting there would be no statistics. Does everything that happens gets reported? That is the crucial connection.

In Lahore, there are no 'no-go' areas.

In Lahore, one can walk around safely even at midnight.

In Lahore, one can get a case registered in a police station.

In Lahore, snatching of mobile phone is still a big dea.

I could go on. Just like @PurpleButcher has raised BS monitoring flag, I would like to do so too.

It is like when Government of Punjab acts against gas and electricity thieves, Punjabis get labelled as thieves by people who love to malign Punjab. They do not see that by catching wrong doers Gov of Punjab is doing the right thing, that is missing in other provinces.

Just because it is easier to register an FIR in Punjab does not mean that law and order situation is worse. Actually that just shows where other provinces are lacking.

Just a BS story by someone who earns by writing columns and thus must find something to write about.

 

[W.11]

Shouldn't this be posted in Stupid and Funny thread? So you are telling me that my hometown Rawalpindi had 13 times more kidnappings than KARACHI.....

Can this genius tell me the source of his facts and figures?

a) Unicorn
b) A dream
c) A phone call from UK

On a serious note please do not compare Karachi with the rest of Pakistan in terms of law and order. I have lived in Karachi and miss its hustle and bustle and wish that it regains it. Instead of accepting the reality that things have gone bad, one must not bury one's head!!!

Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

Statistics are generated by reporting incidents. Without reporting there would be no statistics. Does everything that happens gets reported? That is the crucial connection.

In Lahore, there are no 'no-go' areas.

In Lahore, one can walk around safely even at midnight.

In Lahore, one can get a case registered in a police station.

In Lahore, snatching of mobile phone is still a big dea.

I could go on. Just like @PurpleButcher has raised BS monitoring flag, I would like to do so too.

It is like when Government of Punjab acts against gas and electricity thieves, Punjabis get labelled as thieves by people who love to malign Punjab. They do not see that by catching wrong doers Gov of Punjab is doing the right thing, that is missing in other provinces.

Just because it is easier to register an FIR in Punjab does not mean that law and order situation is worse. Actually that just shows where other provinces are lacking.

Just a BS story by someone who earns by writing columns and thus must find something to write about.

any statistics to back your BS?

 

[Chak Bamu]

any statistics to back your BS?

Ought there be any? That is the real question.

Can you walk around in whole of Karachi with your wallet and expensive mobile?

Are there 'no-go' areas in Karachi?

Can one easily register a case for snatched mobile in Karachi?

I rest my case...

Height of Dheetai that you are asking for statistics when any idiot and their child can tell you that Lahore is a lot safer than Karachi at any place and at any hour and at any day.

My colleagues who worked at Indus Motors Company in Karachi made a point NOT to carry an expensive mobile phone, just because it was normal expectation for them that it would get snatched just like that. That of course was a few years ago, when things were not quite so bad as now.

Any Karachi fellow coming to Lahore does not forget to comment about the feeling of safety in Lahore and the fact that they can easily roam about without a care. Beat that you MQM lover.

Again, statistics are generated by reportage. No reporting, no statistics. Simple. And yet you ask for statistics. It is ironic and funny that a shameless MQM supporter is asking for statistics relating to cities in Punjab where no political party has been able to call for a strike in decades.

Dheetai and shamelessness ka naam hai... MQM supporter.

 

[W.11]

Ought there be any? That is the real question.

Can you walk around in whole of Karachi with your wallet and expensive mobile?

Are there 'no-go' areas in Karachi?

Can one easily register a case for snatched mobile in Karachi?

I rest my case...

first try to read the article innocent guy, no where he has mentioned mobile snatching, but the killings, kidnapping for ransom, honour killing, rape, domestic torture cases

 

[SBD-3]

You can find the weekly crime data for Provincial Capitals right here.
Plus National as well as provincial statistics are available with National as well as Provincial Statistical Offices
For example Here are the crime statistics of
1-National Crime Statistics
2-Punjab (Page 109 Onwards)
3-KPK
4-Baluchistan
For Sindh, their website has cleaned all the statistics. I think I had their development statistics reports but Except from National and Punjab Statistical offices, other statistics seem stale on internet (though the annual periodicals would have been available in print).
Like I said before, statistics are available, we lack habit for doing some labor to find them.

 

[Chak Bamu]

first try to read the article innocent guy, no where he has mentioned mobile snatching, but the killings, kidnapping for ransom, honour killing, rape, domestic torture cases

You just don't get it.

First, this is a list of selected offences. Second, the figures depend upon reporting of the offences. Third, this list certainly does nothing to gauge / measure / show the feeling of safety of an average citizen. That is the bottom line.

A supplier of mine had his paternal uncle killed in Sargodha; reason was resistance to armed robbery. If citizens of Karachi were to decide to resist robberies, there would be a lot more killings and deaths. This list does not take into account the impact of discriminatory loadshedding on urban population of Punjab. Faisalabad has particularly suffered because of this. But you would not care about that now, would you. For you a biased story is to your liking and that is all you care about.

I wish someone would compile a list of urban centers based on how safe people feel. How would Karachi fare if extortion, robbery, and target killings were to be accounted for?

MQM supporters would go to any length to gloss over the result of their activities. Karachi tops on Bhattakhori, Qabza Mafia, Target killings, extortion and blackmail violence. Just today some one threw a grenade at a business persons home in Karachi. Police suspect it a case of extortion related crime. Has something like that happened in the whole of Punjab?

Again, I rest my case.

 

[W.11]

I wish someone would compile a list of urban centers based on how safe people feel. How would Karachi fare if extortion, robbery, and target killings were to be accounted for?

MQM supporters would go to any length to gloss over the result of their activities. Karachi tops on Bhattakhori, Qabza Mafia, Target killings, extortion and blackmail violence. Just today some one threw a grenade at a business persons home in Karachi. Police suspect it a case of extortion related crime. Has something like that happened in the whole of Punjab?

Again, I rest my case.

1) killing is killing whether targetted or non targetted and compiling all the killings data Lahore is ahead of Karachi, this is the simple point you are not getting

2) bhatta killing is also included in the killings, but then bhatta calls are even recieved from as far as afghanistan so if you deduct the bhatta, target killing, not must killing is happening in Karachi as compared to domestic killings and kidnapping for ransom killings(where innocent people suffer as compared to political killings) rate, Karachi is safer as compared to Lahore

3) bhatta is also being taken in Lahore

4) the entire point of the data is that Karachi situation is over hyped, target killings happen only in very selective areas and also against political parties common man doesn't even observe target killing

5) many normal domestic killings are labelled target killing which is also wrong

6) Karachi has a very low kidnapping to ransom rate as compared to lahore and rawalpindi

7) just look at the sectarian killing just happened in Rawalpindi, Karachi didn't see any sectarian killing in ashura as compared to rawalpindi punjb=ab and kohat etc considering Karachi is 4-5 times bigger than pindi

 

[Chak Bamu]

1) killing is killing whether targetted or non targetted and compiling all the killings data Lahore is ahead of Karachi, this is the simple point you are not getting

2) bhatta killing is also included in the killings, but then bhatta calls are even recieved from as far as afghanistan so if you deduct the bhatta, target killing, not must killing is happening in Karachi as compared to domestic killings and kidnapping for ransom killings(where innocent people suffer as compared to political killings) rate, Karachi is safer as compared to Lahore

3) bhatta is also being taken in Lahore

4) the entire point of the data is that Karachi situation is over hyped, target killings happen only in very selective areas and also against political parties common man doesn't even observe target killing

5) many normal domestic killings are labelled target killing which is also wrong

6) Karachi has a very low kidnapping to ransom rate as compared to lahore and rawalpindi

7) just look at the sectarian killing just happened in Rawalpindi, Karachi didn't see any sectarian killing in ashura as compared to rawalpindi punjb=ab and kohat etc considering Karachi is 4-5 times bigger than pindi

1. Are you referring to the crap article's figures? Can you tell from where he is pulling these numbers? Who is this Ms. Parween? In any case the total figure matches the population statistics. So by the reckoning of the article your posted, Punjab is no worse than others. I still have my doubts about numbers. Did you read article carefully?

2. As you said killing is killing. Why then split hair about bhatta and non-bhatta killings.

3. Bhatta may be collected in Lahore, but is the scale comparable to Karachi? How many people are killed, how many grenades explode in Lahore to compel the victims? You really do not know what you are talking about over here.

4. See #2.

5. See #2.

6. Perhaps the victims do not actually talk about it? Note the point about reporting of crime that I keep on making.

7. What happened at Ashura 2 years ago in Karachi? How many businesses were burned down then? How many people died?

It is interesting to note that you have side-stepped the issue of crime reporting. You have also not bothered to address the safety perception. You have refused to address petty crimes that are actually instrumental in determining people's perception of safety. All you have is an article written by someone who has quoted figures from a compilation that has no reference at all. Again, what and where is the source of these numbers?

 

[Patriots]

Ought there be any? That is the real question.

Can you walk around in whole of Karachi with your wallet and expensive mobile?

Are there 'no-go' areas in Karachi?

Can one easily register a case for snatched mobile in Karachi?

I rest my case...

Height of Dheetai that you are asking for statistics when any idiot and their child can tell you that Lahore is a lot safer than Karachi at any place and at any hour and at any day.

My colleagues who worked at Indus Motors Company in Karachi made a point NOT to carry an expensive mobile phone, just because it was normal expectation for them that it would get snatched just like that. That of course was a few years ago, when things were not quite so bad as now.

Any Karachi fellow coming to Lahore does not forget to comment about the feeling of safety in Lahore and the fact that they can easily roam about without a care. Beat that you MQM lover.

Again, statistics are generated by reportage. No reporting, no statistics. Simple. And yet you ask for statistics. It is ironic and funny that a shameless MQM supporter is asking for statistics relating to cities in Punjab where no political party has been able to call for a strike in decades.

Dheetai and shamelessness ka naam hai... MQM supporter.

I roam all over the Karachi with my wallet and Blackberry mobile except Lyari, Malir city, Dalmia road, Banaras, Quaidabad, Sherpao colony & Sohrab goth because these are no-go areas in Karachi ........

 

[xyxmt]

If w.11 is happy believing that than why dont you guys let him, after all he is our brother, mis-guided but still a brother.

 

[SBD-3]

Something for which Karachi has become infamous.But Karachi makes headlines not for robberies, not for killings on bilatral disputes, not for short term kidnapping but for extortion, sectarian and politically motivated killings.

 

[W.11]

1. Are you referring to the crap article's figures? Can you tell from where he is pulling these numbers? Who is this Ms. Parween? In any case the total figure matches the population statistics. So by the reckoning of the article your posted, Punjab is no worse than others. I still have my doubts about numbers. Did you read article carefully?

2. As you said killing is killing. Why then split hair about bhatta and non-bhatta killings.

3. Bhatta may be collected in Lahore, but is the scale comparable to Karachi? How many people are killed, how many grenades explode in Lahore to compel the victims? You really do not know what you are talking about over here.

4. See #2.

5. See #2.

6. Perhaps the victims do not actually talk about it? Note the point about reporting of crime that I keep on making.

7. What happened at Ashura 2 years ago in Karachi? How many businesses were burned down then? How many people died?

It is interesting to note that you have side-stepped the issue of crime reporting. You have also not bothered to address the safety perception. You have refused to address petty crimes that are actually instrumental in determining people's perception of safety. All you have is an article written by someone who has quoted figures from a compilation that has no reference at all. Again, what and where is the source of these numbers?

1) who ever she is is more credible than you

2) if killing is killing then its you who is crying target killing bhatta etc every time, lahore has more killings than Karachi thus more law and order problem, considering Karachi is two times lahore, its very shameful law and order situation there as well but again media highlights Karachi the most

3) well atleast its better than srilankan team getting attacked, it doesn't happen in Karachi does it, i can also recall some swedish social worker was killed in Lahore but the news was highly suppressed, any small killing in Karachi is covered for a long time and brought again and again

6) lol, victims don't talk about it? why? Karachi is not a backward tribal area? where can you back with statistics that crime is reported more in Lahore in comparison with Karachi? again talking out of your back

7) what happened in ashura 2 years ago was not an utter failure of law and order and foreign element was involved in it , it was more an intelligence failure and not law and order failure to prevent a killing mob? like what happened in rawalpindi few days ago, some miscreants can plant bombs any where in any part of the city, what happened in rawalpindi was the proper sectarian shitt on the levels of gujrat massacre

and you can't relate gujrat massacre with a rondom bomb blast by some terror outfit from god knows what place

Something for which Karachi has become infamous.But Karachi makes headlines not for robberies, not for killings on bilatral disputes, not for short term kidnapping but for extortion, sectarian and politically motivated killings.

lol nooras talking about lashkar e jhangvi who gets support from PMLN, sent to karachi

you can easily imagine the local proportion in actual crimes, when all crimes get imported from jhang and shumali waziristan, nawabshah, Balochistan