Karachi Circular Railway (KCR)

[W.11]

Yes, KCR might not be the best circular in the world, however, atleast its a step in the right direction. So instead of bad mouthing from get go give it sometime and if you cant say anything good/positive, then its not your religion duty spit venom - give it some rest.

how is it a step in the right direction can you please explain that in bullet points?

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[Cliftonite]

Another lollipop.

 

[mikkix]

Man I must say, you people are nothing but a bunch of thankless & retarded folks, who always find a reason to whine day in day out.

Yes, KCR might not be the best circular in the world, granular details might not be great, however, atleast its a step in the right direction. So instead of jilting the project since get go, give it sometime and if you cant say anything good/positive, then its not your religion duty spit venom - give it some rest.

I am also from Karachi and I welcome this excellent initiative.

Actually you are totally wrong, the project is based on discarded kachra boggies and only re-started to make karachiite fools.

 

[koolio]

Something is better than nothing, thanks to the ultra corrupt Pee Pee Pee who have done nothing to help the public with better transportation mode.

 

[Bil]

how is it a step in the right direction can you please explain that in bullet points?

regards

For decades Karachi craves for a proper mass transport system. KCR can offer some critical advantages, which includes the following.

Keeping in view the magnanimous size of every day travelers in Karachi, it can be easily imagined that this project will save millions of tons of gasoline. Hence this project must be considered as a supply side policy intervention to correct the current account deficit in the long term. If Karachi possesses 10% of the country’s population, it is safe and prudent to assume that the city consumes at least 10% of the country’s gasoline. Hence if this is the case, it can be proposed that this project could be a precious source of saving import dollars which will ease out the dollar deficit.

Another ballooning problem that the city is facing is the improper construction of portions and incorrect housing arrangements in the city. People are compelled to stay in old neighborhoods i.e. Nazimabad and Liaquatabad. This is because if they settle in far flung settlements, it will be extremely draining for them to reach their places of work while the population in these areas is growing exponentially. Since the city is devoid of a proper transport system that may carry the mass exodus from new settlements, people are building and purchasing portions of small houses in these old neighborhoods.

Furthermore, this project can reduce pollution and increase the efficiency of human resource as they keep them energized and emotionally charged.

For this project, policymakers do not have to re-invent the wheel. They just need to put in place a system that was functional decades back. Unlike the green line bus service and other such projects which also have many positives, this project will cover almost all populous neighborhoods of the city. People of Lyari, Nazimabad, Liaqutabad, Gulshan, Gulistan-e-Jauhar, Shah Faisal Colony and adjoining areas of Shahrah-e-Faisal will be the ultimate beneficiaries.

That said, because of all above, reviving KCR is the need of the hour, which is a step in the right direction...

Actually you are totally wrong, the project is based on discarded kachra boggies and only re-started to make karachiite fools.

Ok, keep crying, in fact cry me a river. With you guys, its a classical case of damned if you do damned if you don't !!!

 

[W.11]

For decades Karachi craves for a proper mass transport system. KCR can offer some critical advantages, which includes the following.

Keeping in view the magnanimous size of every day travelers in Karachi, it can be easily imagined that this project will save millions of tons of gasoline. Hence this project must be considered as a supply side policy intervention to correct the current account deficit in the long term. If Karachi possesses 10% of the country’s population, it is safe and prudent to assume that the city consumes at least 10% of the country’s gasoline. Hence if this is the case, it can be proposed that this project could be a precious source of saving import dollars which will ease out the dollar deficit.

Another ballooning problem that the city is facing is the improper construction of portions and incorrect housing arrangements in the city. People are compelled to stay in old neighborhoods i.e. Nazimabad and Liaquatabad. This is because if they settle in far flung settlements, it will be extremely draining for them to reach their places of work while the population in these areas is growing exponentially. Since the city is devoid of a proper transport system that may carry the mass exodus from new settlements, people are building and purchasing portions of small houses in these old neighborhoods.

Furthermore, this project can reduce pollution and increase the efficiency of human resource as they keep them energized and emotionally charged.

For this project, policymakers do not have to re-invent the wheel. They just need to put in place a system that was functional decades back. Unlike the green line bus service and other such projects which also have many positives, this project will cover almost all populous neighborhoods of the city. People of Lyari, Nazimabad, Liaqutabad, Gulshan, Gulistan-e-Jauhar, Shah Faisal Colony and adjoining areas of Shahrah-e-Faisal will be the ultimate beneficiaries.

That said, because of all above, reviving KCR is the need of the hour, which is a step in the right direction...


Ok, keep crying, infact cry me a river.

lmao

what you posted is the benefits of a metro system in Karachi, not the benefits of the present KCR system.

i have already raised imp points

Fed govt, sindh govt is not interested, so we cannot guarentee that KCR will survive given financial constraints.

its limited accessibility and high ticket cost, 15% of the 1962 system complete and no plan in sight to complete it, let alone expand that, ticket price is twice that of a mini bus, you can travel a long distance on mini buses for max, 30 pkr, but a short ride on KCR costs 50 pkr. It will heavily depend on amount of commuters, if less commuters, the system will flop and stop running.

the seating arrangements mean, not much standing space, so its inefficient seating arrangement that wouldn't allow more commuters.

Geo news states that two engines would be attached as there is no chance of trains making rounds, this increases operational cost when they already have shortage of funding.

rundown stations and no fascilities, why would one be encouraged to travel on it?

slow speed of 35 km/h, again, one can use qingqis instead of trains for that.

 

[Bil]

lmao

what you posted is the benefits of a metro system in Karachi, not the benefits of the present KCR system.

i have already raised imp points

Fed govt, sindh govt is not interested, so we cannot guarentee that KCR will survive given financial constraints.

its limited accessibility and high ticket cost, 15% of the 1962 system complete and no plan in sight to complete it, let alone expand that, ticket price is twice that of a mini bus, you can travel a long distance on mini buses for max, 30 pkr, but a short ride on KCR costs 50 pkr. It will heavily depend on amount of commuters, if less commuters, the system will flop and stop running.

the seating arrangements mean, not much standing space, so its inefficient seating arrangement that wouldn't allow more commuters.

Geo news states that two engines would be attached as there is no chance of trains making rounds, this increases operational cost when they already have shortage of funding.

rundown stations and no fascilities, why would one be encouraged to travel on it?

slow speed of 35 km/h, again, one can use qingqis instead of trains for that.

So saving on millions of tons of gasoline, connecting different districts and zones of the city and reducing pollution are only the benefits of a metro system and circular railway, seriously?

As for its survival, hold your horses and give it sometime, however, I dont expect Sindh Govt to pay even a dime, because there is no incentive for them to do so. Maybe it will survive, maybe not, time will tell.

Yes, accessibility is limited all thanks to the encroachment, which your conveniently ignored. Naturally, it will take time to remove encroachment. And as for ticket price of a mini bus, you conveniently ignored that no mini bus can take your straight to your destination if you are to travel far. You would have to interchange 2 or even 3 at times. Again, time will tell if KCR will improve with time and will people adopt or ditch it.

As for stations and their facilities, only a naive or fool will expect orange line metro, Islamabad metro or BRT style stations and facilities, because we are talking about Pakistan Railway, which is worse then a bankrupt department.

 

[W.11]

As for stations and their facilities, only a naive or fool will expect orange line metro, Islamabad metro or BRT style stations and facilities, because we are talking about Pakistan Railway, which is worse then a bankrupt department.

yup, so why does pakistan railway keep holding this land and project if it has no capacity to develop it? why doesnt it surrender it to a private firm which can develop the system, why was funding of JICA and CPEC rejected? Why is KUTC not devolved to the mayor of karachi? why is that?

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interesting

Karachi Circular Railway - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

09 March 2005: Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz inaugurates the first phase of the KCR and claims the project would be revived in three phases "within a couple of years or so". ₨3.5 billion (US$21 million) was pledged to be spent on the complete renovation of the KCR.[13] None of the other two phases were ever completed and within a year, the first phase was shut down.

in 2005, similar thing happened, KCR was partially revived with a promise to complete the renovation in ''three stages'', those other two stages never came and the ''first phase'' was shut down within one year.

regards

 

[Bil]

yup, so why does pakistan railway keep holding this land and project if it has no capacity to develop it? why doesnt it surrender it to a private firm which can develop the system, why was funding of JICA and CPEC rejected? Why is KUTC not devolved to the mayor of karachi? why is that?

regards
interesting

Railways land not to be sold or leased as per SC order.

 

[W.11]

Railways land not to be sold or leased as per SC order.

lmao, railway is worse than bankrupt but they cannot lease/sell the land, the KUTC cannot be handed over to local government and yet fed govt puts all responsibility on provincial govt, cries, it cannot bear the expenses, rejects any effort for foreign loan/funding like ADP, JICA, CPEK.

tbh, this seems like we know who's the culprit here.

the fed govt announces 1.1 trillion package, but doesnt want to partner with the local governments, this is what musharraf did last time, fed govt funds were given directly to the mayors and the projects were carried out smoothly, until and unless fed govt sorts out its own mess, it shouldn't blame anybody. It is the primary culprit here.

regards

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

tbh, this seems like we know who's the culprit here.

Yup - the culprit is the PPP led Sindh provincial government.

At the end of the day, whatever excuses or circular arguments you want to bring up, the responsibility for creating and running such a mass transit system lies with the provincial government.

The reason neither the Chinese nor the Japanese (JICA) proposals have come through is because NO ONE trusts the PPP led Sindh government to implement or manage the project properly,

 

[ziaulislam]

lmao, railway is worse than bankrupt but they cannot lease/sell the land, the KUTC cannot be handed over to local government and yet fed govt puts all responsibility on provincial govt, cries, it cannot bear the expenses, rejects any effort for foreign loan/funding like ADP, JICA, CPEK.

tbh, this seems like we know who's the culprit here.

the fed govt announces 1.1 trillion package, but doesnt want to partner with the local governments, this is what musharraf did last time, fed govt funds were given directly to the mayors and the projects were carried out smoothly, until and unless fed govt sorts out its own mess, it shouldn't blame anybody. It is the primary culprit here.

regards

Very stupid comparison honestly

In mushi era federal govt & provincial govt were same party
Also there was no dreath of funds as 18 th amendment wasn't passed yet

 

[W.11]

Yup - the culprit is the PPP led Sindh provincial government.

At the end of the day, whatever excuses or circular arguments you want to bring up, the responsibility for creating and running such a mass transit system lies with the provincial government.

The reason neither the Chinese nor the Japanese (JICA) proposals have come through is because NO ONE trusts the PPP led Sindh government to implement or manage the project properly,

nope, officially, KCR is the federal project not sindh govt, KUTC has majorty Federal stake meaning that federal govt is responsible for the KCR, one of the primary reason why PPP corrupt ppl are so reluctant to persue KCR is because they dont feel any responsibility given their stake.

Yo dont expect PPP to develop highways which comes under federal govt, similarly KCR is state hold project not PPP's, every tax and income from it goes to PTI and fed govt not PPP.

If fed govt doesnt have the ability to run KCR, to put it simply, surender the departments of KUTC to either PPP/sindh govt or better yet, local government.

during musharraf era, fed did everything through the mayor and he was an important figure in any karachi project, today fed govt under PTI is reluctant to go directly to the mayor and through him proceed with their projects.

When it comes to land grabbing, as i have already stated, PTI spared no press conference in claiming bundel island, while PPP claiming it as well, this just shows that where PTI wants to earn corrupt money, it does everything in its power to claim something and where its time to deliver, PTI puts everything on PPP. Both are corrupt to the core, uninterested for karachi/delivery and as we say ''bade ke tattoo' from the same pond.

regards

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[Bil]

lmao, railway is worse than bankrupt but they cannot lease/sell the land, the KUTC cannot be handed over to local government and yet fed govt puts all responsibility on provincial govt, cries, it cannot bear the expenses, rejects any effort for foreign loan/funding like ADP, JICA, CPEK.

tbh, this seems like we know who's the culprit here.

the fed govt announces 1.1 trillion package, but doesnt want to partner with the local governments, this is what musharraf did last time, fed govt funds were given directly to the mayors and the projects were carried out smoothly, until and unless fed govt sorts out its own mess, it shouldn't blame anybody. It is the primary culprit here.

regards

So on the orders of SC, federal is the culprit.

I think you need to get some rest, go to sleep because its too late and your brain isnt functioning at all.

 

[W.11]

Very stupid comparison honestly

In mushi era federal govt & provincial govt were same party
Also there was no dreath of funds as 18 th amendment wasn't passed yet

there are provincial projects/bodies and then there are federal projects/bodies, federal government owns many departments which are responsible for development in Karachi, during musharraf periods, those federal bodies collaborated with the mayors, but this was dismissed when musharraf was sent packing. My simple question is why PTI didn't collaborate with Karachi's mayor for 1.1 trillion package when wasim akhter was mayor of karachi? simply put, PTI didn't want its 1.1 trillion fund/package supervised, its claim question questioned and investigated by the karachi government, it would have easily exposed PTI and its fake BS.

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