Kabul blast: Taliban attack kills at least 10 in Afghan capital,

[Arsalan]

The taliban are known neanderthals that were supported by only three countries - Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, UAE.
It is not like America wants to be in Afghanistan. We were out 1990-2001. Let us forget why the hell American troops are there in the first place

You wont resolve the problem until you understand it first. To start, Taliban were NOT supported by these three countries alone. US was the gang leader remember?
At that time, communism was evil and to fight that US was neck deep in this mess, supported Taliban against the Soviets. The supported one extremist group to fight what they assumed to be evil. Now US is doing the same again. This time, Taliban are the evil and ISIS is the extremist group US is covertly supporting to fight them. At the end of it all, you will be saying that we are out of it just like you said above it and will be us who are left to deal with this mess.

Anyway, the discussion here is about not that. What i was pointing out was that while the group who is not condemning the attack by Taliban and only focus on the killings of ANA and USA are wrong and should be bashed for it, the people who look the other way on ANA brutalities and US sponsored killings in the region and only cry when Taliban carry out a terrorist attack are no different from the first group and equally hypocrite.

 

[nahtanbob]

You wont resolve the problem until you understand it first. To start, Taliban were NOT supported by these three countries alone. US was the gang leader remember?
At that time, communism was evil and to fight that US was neck deep in this mess, supported Taliban against the Soviets. The supported one extremist group to fight what they assumed to be evil. Now US is doing the same again. This time, Taliban are the evil and ISIS is the extremist group US is covertly supporting to fight them. At the end of it all, you will be saying that we are out of it just like you said above it and will be us who are left to deal with this mess.

Anyway, the discussion here is about not that. What i was pointing out was that while the group who is not condemning the attack by Taliban and only focus on the killings of ANA and USA are wrong and should be bashed for it, the people who look the other way on ANA brutalities and US sponsored killings in the region and only cry when Taliban carry out a terrorist attack are no different from the first group and equally hypocrite.

USA never recognized the Taliban run government. the only constant about the Taliban is pakistani support for it

 

[Arsalan]

USA never recognized the Taliban run government. the only constant about the Taliban is pakistani support for it

The US didn't need to!! They supported them against Soviets and then left us to deal with the mess. We live next door, we don't have the luxury to look the other way like US did after Soviets were defeated!

 

[nahtanbob]

The US didn't need to!! They supported them against Soviets and then left us to deal with the mess. We live next door, we don't have the luxury to look the other way like US did after Soviets were defeated!

Spare me the BS

A lot of groups around the world received money and weapons during the cold war. After the cold war ended when the flow of weapons and money dried up all of them have gone back to civilian life.

 

[Arsalan]

Spare me the BS

Your people said the same and walked away after Soviets were defeated, it was us who were left with that BS and that is the issue.
Now to supposedly clean that BS, US is coming up with another gem of a plan, ISIS!! You will again excuse yourself in a few years and we will be in this same spot once again.

Americans are ones who are most to be blamed for the maniac of Taliban and now ISIS.

 

[Chhatrapati]

RIP.

 

[nahtanbob]

Your people said the same and walked away after Soviets were defeated, it was us who were left with that BS and that is the issue.
Now to supposedly clean that BS, US is coming up with another gem of a plan, ISIS!! You will again excuse yourself in a few years and we will be in this same spot once again.

Americans are ones who are most to be blamed for the maniac of Taliban and now ISIS.

It is amazing rebel movements in Nicaragua, Mozambique, Angola, Ethiopia, Cambodia have all settled down in civilian life. But somehow the ones in Afghanistan don't

 

[Arsalan]

It is amazing rebel movements in Nicaragua, Mozambique, Angola, Ethiopia, Cambodia have all settled down in civilian life. But somehow the ones in Afghanistan don't

Because of the nature of Afghans. Because of their long history of being warriors!! You study their history and you will see that there have never been long lasting peace. They are either fighting the invaders or among themselves. Always.

Still that do not over shadow the US involvement in all this mess, back then and right now. I hope this policy changes as without that happening the world will just step in from the era where Talibans were evil to a new era where ISIS or any other such group will replace them as the evil, much like Taliban replaced "evil" communists back in 80s and 90s

 

[YeBeWarned]

Killing one innocent is like killing whole of humanity .. no matter who does it , either someone who holds the banner of Islam or American .. kill one person unjustly and you will have to answer for it in the day of judgement .

 

[nahtanbob]

Because of the nature of Afghans. Because of their long history of being warriors!! You study their history and you will see that there have never been long lasting peace. They are either fighting the invaders or among themselves. Always.

Still that do not over shadow the US involvement in all this mess, back then and right now. I hope this policy changes as without that happening the world will just step in from the era where Talibans were evil to a new era where ISIS or any other such group will replace them as the evil, much like Taliban replaced "evil" communists back in 80s and 90s

Afghanistan was "peaceful" from 1947 to the late 1970s. there goes your Afghan warrior BS. the only constant is the Pakistani government stirring the pot

 

[Zhukov]

Taliban kill/injure women and children = HALAL

Taliban delegations for talks, should be held hostage at gunpoint now and made answerable for this shit show.

Taliban are a shit show nothing related to them is acceptable but Afghanistan is a shit show as a whole you cannot simply call it black and white.
Please Don't Portray it as a Counter Insurgency effort by a popular Government kind of situation.

These Afghans have destroyed their own country and National Unity for almost 4 Decades now. They invited Soviets, Some of them invited CIA, Then they Fought Each other, them Some of them Invited Americans. Now they want to dance on Indian Finance. Its all on them. ANA and Taliban are no Different. They have killed each other for a Decade. Being a Pakistani their is no logic of having any sympathy for either side of the conflict as we have our own troubles to manage.
I love my own country and nothing comes before it. And the state of behavior this current Kabul Administration shows toward my country i cannot allow them to set foot on my western border if it is in my hands. They want our support they should have remained neutral between India and Pakistan.
Politicizing Sharbat Gula when Millions of Afghans are living life of Misery and Poverty.
Politicizing every border clash as a clash of nations
Constantly provoking Durand Line issue even it is a recognized international border and so on.
They don't let a single chance pass by to alienate us let alone trust building. Observing their behavior from the time of Karzai till this day, If anyone have any doubt then he should revisit Afghan Government every move regarding Pakistan.
They will have my support when they will give a single gesture of neutral behavior. Or Else let them burn down to last soldier if it may to save my western border i don't care. As Bitter as it may sound. Let those Bastard Taliban and ANA fight each other for centuries who cares.
As For USA and NATO. They are wasting their time in this region and these People TBH. They will neither Fail nor succeed if they keep shoving a hostile pro Indian Kabul down our throat instead they will bleed this region in the process. They should re consider their policy and leave us any other option of their own liking instead of an Anti-Pakistan Kabul and in turn an Anti-US Pakistan. IMO Divide this damned Afghan region into smaller countries as per influential Groups might me the only sane Option for them.

 

[Arsalan]

Afghanistan was "peaceful" from 1947 to the late 1970s. there goes your Afghan warrior BS. the only constant is the Pakistani government stirring the pot

Was it? You are pinpointing a 23 year period in HISTORY of a nation and that itself proves your lack of understanding of the matter or perhaps it is intentional attempt to misguide the readers. 23 years of peace you quote!!

Still, was it peaceful in that period? The 50s and 60s are known for the strides Afghans made towards a more western lifestyle. Was that accepted by all Afghan society? NO IT WAS NOT!! Was it part of the problem that eventually resulted in extremist terrorist Taliban, YES IT WAS!! Even the two decades you point at to prove how peace loving Afghans have been were not years of complete acceptance and peace for each other or between each other.

 

[nahtanbob]

Was it? You are pinpointing a 23 year period in HISTORY of a nation and that itself proves your lack of understanding of the matter or perhaps it is intentional attempt to misguide the readers. 23 years of peace you quote!!

Still, was it peaceful in that period? The 50s and 60s are known for the strides Afghans made towards a more western lifestyle. Was that accepted by all Afghan society? NO IT WAS NOT!! Was it part of the problem that eventually resulted in extremist terrorist Taliban, YES IT WAS!! Even the two decades you point at to prove how peace loving Afghans have been were not years of complete acceptance and peace for each other or between each other.

1947-1979 is quite relevant to modern Afghanistan. It is more relevant than how Afghans lived centuries ago.
how is 14th or 18th century Afghanistan relevant to modern Afghanistan ?

I know a lot of pakistanis want afghanistan to be medieval. Hence the support for medieval elements like the Taliban

 

[Arsalan]

1947-1979 is quite relevant to modern Afghanistan. It is more relevant than how Afghans lived centuries ago.
how is 14th or 18th century Afghanistan relevant to modern Afghanistan ?

It is relevant to modern Afghanistan but is it relevant to the history of the country? You cannot define or discard their history based on 20 years specially when that too is not correct.

I know a lot of pakistanis want afghanistan to be medieval. Hence the support for medieval elements like the Taliban

Do you want an extremist group installed in Canada? Will it serve you well? If not then why people stupidly assume that we will prefer TALIBAN over a reasonable sensible government in a peaceful Afghanistan that we can work with being neighbors. Dont give me that "Pak support Taliban" excuse as then we will keep going in circles and i will have to remind you again for the third time in last hour about who created Taliban and how left the mess for us to deal with and who is repeating the mistake of the past by nurturing one evil to fight another!!

 

[nahtanbob]

It is relevant to modern Afghanistan but is it relevant to the history of the country? You cannot define or discard their history based on 20 years specially when that too is not correct.


Do you want an extremist group installed in Canada? Will it serve you well? If not then why people stupidly assume that we will prefer TALIBAN over a reasonable sensible government in a peaceful Afghanistan that we can work with being neighbors. Dont give me that "Pak support Taliban" excuse as then we will keep going in circles and i will have to remind you again for the third time in last hour about who created Taliban and how left the mess for us to deal with and who is repeating the mistake of the past by nurturing one evil to fight another!!

The 1947-1979 is more relevant to Afghanistan history than centuries of life

People assume you want the Taliban because you support them. It is a fair assumption.

USA washed their hands off from 1990 to 2001. In 2001 it is not America's choice to come back in. If the Pakistani Army dealt with OBL before 9/11 US military would not be in Afghanistan.