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Kabhi apni shakal dekhi hai?
By Feisal Naqvi :: Published: July 11, 2011

The writer is a partner at Bhandari, Naqvi & Riaz and an advocate of the Supreme Court. The writer can be reached at Twitter. The views presented in the article above are not those of his firm
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'Kabhi apni shakal dekhi hai' is an Urdu phrase which literally translates as, ‘Have you ever seen your own face?’ Like many such phrases, it is not intended to be taken literally; most people have, of course, seen their own faces. Instead, what the query asks is this: Who are you to ask questions? Are you worthy of the demands you make?
The phrase in question came to my mind last night as I witnessed some earnest discussions between Pakistani and Indian intellectuals at a dinner. One of the topics of discussion was inevitably Kashmir and all around me my fellow citizens were confidently arguing that the people of Kashmir should be allowed to fulfil their natural destiny by joining with Pakistan. But the thought which kept going through my head was: Kabhi apni shakal dekhi hai?

The purpose of this column is to ask the members of our intelligentsia, who so confidently assume that the Kashmiris are protesting and dying in order to become Pakistanis, kabhi apni shakal dekhi hai?

Our country is a mess these days: Our economy is poised on the edge of a complete meltdown. Our largest city has just gone through a phase in which more than a hundred people were shot dead at random. Our industries are crippled by a lack of electricity. We are one of the world’s most water-stressed countries and also likely to be one of the worst affected by climate change. We are driven by sectarian hatred and under assault by religious fanatics. And if there is a sensible reason for wanting to be a woman in this benighted land, I have yet to hear it.

Finding things to criticise in Pakistan is like shooting fish in a barrel. The point that I am making here relates to what I saw later on that night of détente, as I drove two first-time visitors from across the Radcliffe Line to the Old City. They were simply stunned by the familiarity of it all. For them, Lahore was a magical reconstruction of Delhi, with the Lutyens bungalows being substituted by GORs, Regal Chowk standing in for Chandni Chowk and the Jama’a Masjid transmuted into the Badshahi Masjid.

At times like these, one is prone to dream of all that could be if relations were to normalise. The Delhi-wallahs kept on babbling about how Indian tourists would love to come to Lahore and all I could think of was, you poor fools, you have no bloody idea. We have built an entire country on our hatred for you. We have dedicated ourselves to enshrining our differences, first the differences with you and now the differences amongst ourselves.

Do you really think that the architecture of otherness can disappear at the drop of a hat?

We need to take a look at ourselves, ask how we have gotten to where we are, and perhaps reconsider our assumptions. Starting from the belief that the Kashmiris want to be Pakistanis and that the ‘loss’ of Kashmir is somehow fatal to our national existence — we have dedicated ourselves to winning back what is ‘rightfully’ ours. In pursuit of that victory, we have developed only one arm of the state: The army. And in order to justify the continued pursuit of militarism, we have distorted our ideology to the point that any and all steps taken towards the larger goal of a Kashmir restored to our anxious arms are deemed to be worthy of any sacrifice by us, irrespective of the consequences. Accordingly, we have supported the forces of hate in Kashmir because they fight our wars even though that same hate then drips back into Pakistan and poisons our own bloodstream. And all of this because the Kashmiris can supposedly conceive of no better future than to be a part of Pakistan. Kabhi apni shakal dekhi hai?

I do not mean to denigrate the struggles of the Kashmiri people. They have suffered much with great courage and dignity. I fully support the right of the Kashmiris to decide their own future, whether it be independence, union with Pakistan or something completely different. But it makes no sense for Pakistan to destroy itself in supposed support of the Kashmiri cause only because it removes any rational incentive for the Kashmiris to join with us. Obviously, whether or not Kashmiris really want to join us is a question only they can answer. Frankly speaking, at this point, I can’t see why they would.

We must, therefore, now turn our efforts to healing ourselves first. After six decades of worrying about others, we need to focus on what’s wrong with us, and leave aside the problems of the world. Perhaps then this will no longer be a country sensible people want to run away from. Perhaps then, if somebody asks, “kabhi apni shakal dekhi hai?” we will be in a position to respond, “Haan, dekhi hai.”

Published in The Express Tribune, July 12th, 2011.
 
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Our current situation does not deprive us from our legitimate demand !!

I agree. Crap article. Bloke seems to fancy himself a bit. Kashmiris deserve self determination even if they choose not to be independant. India violates there basic human rights and we will stand by them.

Cut to the chase hes asking us to forget kashmir. dont sound like any pakistani I know. Sounds more like an indian/american/ israeli suggestion.
 
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Pakistan may not be in a position for Kashmir NOW.

But Kashmiris should have their wishes heard: freedom from unjust indian occupation and a referendum.
 
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Pakistan may not be in a position for Kashmir NOW.

But Kashmiris should have their wishes heard: freedom from unjust indian occupation and a referendum.

Pakistan will never be in a position to get Kashmir. I can assure you of that.

Q- Why?

A - Because there is not a single damn thing in the world that Pakistan can do and India cannot.
 
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Pakistan will never be in a position to get Kashmir. I can assure you of that.

Q- Why?

A - Because there is not a single damn thing in the world that Pakistan can do and India cannot.

We just wants referendums held, so that the Kashmiris can decide what they want.

Why is india so afraid to hold them in indian occupied Kashmir?
 
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We just wants referendums held, so that the Kashmiris can decide what they want.

Feel free to want the moon. Doesn't mean you're getting it.

Why is india so afraid to hold them in indian occupied Kashmir?

Because we will lose it. Simple. The Kashmiris of valley will any given day choose Independence (first priority) and Pakistan (second priority) over India.

Why should India not play to her strengths?

We have what we want. Why should we take any more trouble just for the sake of the whims of a few million people?

Besides, the referendum, as talked about in the UN resolutions, doesn't give the Kashmiris the option for independence. Hence it would be futile to hold such a referendum.
 
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Feel free to want the moon. Doesn't mean you're getting it.



Because we will lose it. Simple. The Kashmiris of valley will any given day choose Independence (first priority) and Pakistan (second priority) over India.

Why should India not play to her strengths?

We have what we want. Why should we take any more trouble just for the sake of the whims of a few million people?

yep good one good one i exactly agree a few million killed and another would soon be killed so why creat the trouble of going through the referendum process
 
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So forgetting Kashmir will get us out of this mess that we are in? What kind of logic is that Mr. Feisal Naqvi?

Our problems are Zardari, this PPP govt., corruption, mismanagement, bad governance, lack of local govt. (representation), police reforms, judicial reforms, tax evasion and NOT kashmir.

Kashmir is least of our problems. Get it through to your thick head, Mr. Feisal Naqvi.

We should always support the fundamental right of Kashmiris for self determination. This indian propaganda that majority of Kashmiris want independence is false. Even today overwhelming majority of Kashmiris want merger with Pakistan. Syed Ali Geelani is still the most popular leader in Kashmir and is pro Pakistan. Kashmiri youth is chanting pro Pakistan slogans in the heart of Kashmir in Srinagar every other day.
 
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yep good one good one i exactly agree a few million killed and another would soon be killed so why creat the trouble of going through the referendum process

Exactly.

We have Kashmir and we will keep it.

We will not care if we have to kill in millions or die in millions.

In fact, if anything, we havfe already shown that we do not care if we have to kill or be killed when it comes to preserving the territorial integrity of our country.
 
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Kabhi apni shakal dekhi hai?
I do not mean to denigrate the struggles of the Kashmiri people. They have suffered much with great courage and dignity. I fully support the right of the Kashmiris to decide their own future, whether it be independence, union with Pakistan or something completely different. But it makes no sense for Pakistan to destroy itself in supposed support of the Kashmiri cause only because it removes any rational incentive for the Kashmiris to join with us. Obviously, whether or not Kashmiris really want to join us is a question only they can answer. Frankly speaking, at this point, I can’t see why they would.

Published in The Express Tribune, July 12th, 2011.

Sums up everything and nicely put. However I can understand why Pakistan attacked Kashmir to merge it with them, India was merging Hyderabad, Junagadh etc at the same time and hence they felt why should we be left out. I do not say that was wrong, trying to increase the size of country is not a bad idea. So they got some and we got some and even after 63 years that remains the same. So people should except it and move on.
 
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Feel free to want the moon. Doesn't mean you're getting it.



Because we will lose it. Simple. The Kashmiris of valley will any given day choose Independence (first priority) and Pakistan (second priority) over India.

Why should India not play to her strengths?

We have what we want. Why should we take any more trouble just for the sake of the whims of a few million people?

Besides, the referendum, as talked about in the UN resolutions, doesn't give the Kashmiris the option for independence. Hence it would be futile to hold such a referendum.

Add to it that current day Kashmir's in Valley are more anti India then at the time of Independence and terrorism, mainly because they got religiously radicalized. So you played the card, funded people to radicalize the population and hate India and we should simply fall for it. Not happening.
 
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Add to it that current day Kashmir's in Valley are more anti India then at the time of Independence and terrorism, mainly because they got religiously radicalized. So you played the card, funded people to radicalize the population and hate India and we should simply fall for it. Not happening.

So even you accept that you have to force kashmiris to stay under a tyrant india, force and tyrants never win my freind eventually long term history has proven the people win
 
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