Jordan puts Chinese UAVs on sale.

[AMCA]

oh the jealousy from some indiots

Yeah, Janes is an Indian mouthpiece.

 

[IceCold]

The article is a load of crap, you know why because even a novice would tell that military equipment is not just bought because you like it, it goes into rigorous trials and testing in the local environment of the buyer following the bid before any order is made. That stands true for any military of the world. So if Jordan bought these it meant that the equipment in question which are the drones passed all the benchmarks set by the buyer before an order was placed. Hence no point in saying that they got disappointed after nearly a year of use.

 

[Han Patriot]

The truth is those China CH-4 UAVS has done fantastic jobs and shortened the mission duration.
Misled title tell us how good China CH -4 are and how jealous indians are.

Country like Jordan does not need so many UAVs.

There were news saying they were under US pressure to sell it. Jordan don't even have the opportunity to use it like the Saudis and Emiratis or the Iraqis, those were all battle proven UCAVs. Not sure how you can evaluate it's capabilities when you are not even using it in battle.

 

[Crystal-Clear]

twisted news.

 

[LeGenD]

The article is a load of crap, you know why because even a novice would tell that military equipment is not just bought because you like it, it goes into rigorous trials and testing in the local environment of the buyer following the bid before any order is made. That stands true for any military of the world. So if Jordan bought these it meant that the equipment in question which are the drones passed all the benchmarks set by the buyer before an order was placed. Hence no point in saying that they got disappointed after nearly a year of use.

1. JANES isn't yellow journalism - very professional. This is actually old news.

2. Military-related procurements are not so cut and dry. Political considerations come into play, and options can be limited.

US is not exporting its high-end UAV for instance.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/unable...nes-allies-place-orders-with-china-1500301716

https://www.defensenews.com/newslet...osting-us-industry-billions-in-foreign-sales/

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/21/pen...l-out-of-armed-drones-to-americas-allies.html

 

[kris]

So, are they disappointed with CASA-235, C130-B and Hawk-63 too?

They ain't new

 

[Han Patriot]

1. JANES isn't yellow journalism - very professional. This is actually old news.

2. Military-related procurements are not so cut and dry. Political considerations come into play, and options can be limited.

US is not exporting its high-end UAV for instance.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/unable...nes-allies-place-orders-with-china-1500301716

https://www.defensenews.com/newslet...osting-us-industry-billions-in-foreign-sales/

Janes is not fool proof my friend. You seem pretty Indian for a Pakistani. Chinese UAVs are not as capable as US UAVs, but I doubt it's capability is as shitty since Jordan has no choice anyway. Other than the US only China sells high end UCAVs. It's like you can't buy a Ferrari, then you go for BMW, and now you complain the BMW is bad? Does it make sense to you?

They ain't new

C130B is quite recent actually, less than 10 years...I believe they have budget constraints and Janes as usual is playing to the sensationalist tune.

 

[Vapnope]

Is there any crash data available for Chinese UAVs?
Any operational constraint mentioned by other users?
These things aren't as simple as they seem. It depends on the specific mission and Jordanians expectations from the said UAVs. I think Pakistan should evaluate these drones and get them if possible.

 

[LeGenD]

Janes is not fool proof my friend. You seem pretty Indian for a Pakistani. Chinese UAVs are not as capable as US UAVs, but I doubt it's capability is as shitty since Jordan has no choice anyway. Other than the US only China sells high end UCAVs. It's like you can't buy a Ferrari, then you go for BMW, and now you complain the BMW is bad? Does it make sense to you?


C130B is quite recent actually, less than 10 years...I believe they have budget constraints and Janes as usual is playing to the sensationalist tune.

Just because I am certain about the credibility of select Western sources, does not make me Indian. Stupid mentality - do you think every Pakistani is predisposition to hate WEST by default? The world is much bigger and complex than PDF crowd, and I represent Pakistan's moderate and balanced side here.

Now, I am not comparing American and Chinese UAV in terms of performance; I do not want to because 'some' Chinese members will feel hurt and call me Indian for stating the obvious.

I just pointed out to another member that military procurements are not so cut-and-dry; various considerations and limitations come into play. There couldn't be rigorous evaluation in the case of procurement of CH-4B UAV because competitors weren't even there to begin with.

Why Jordan is retiring CH-4B so soon, is the odd part and generating headlines for a while now. And I am not asserting that CH-4B are bad - not my call and neither I operate these, but perhaps Jordan wants something better.

 

[Imran Khan]

INDIANs and thier logic hahahahaha

 

[khail007]

So, are they disappointed with CASA-235, C130-B and Hawk-63 too?

Sir ... it is an Indian's logic, may be due to low IQ level of him. Just pardon him.

 

[Han Patriot]

Just because I am certain about the credibility of select Western sources, does not make me Indian. Stupid mentality - do you think every Pakistani is predisposition to hate WEST by default? The world is much bigger and complex than PDF crowd, and I represent Pakistan's moderate and balanced side here.

Now, I am not comparing American and Chinese UAV in terms of performance; I do not want to because 'some' Chinese members will feel hurt and call me Indian for stating the obvious.

I just pointed out to another member that military procurements are not so cut-and-dry; various considerations and limitations come into play. There couldn't be rigorous evaluation in the case of procurement of CH-4B UAV because competitors weren't even there to begin with.

Why Jordan is retiring CH-4B so soon, is the odd part and generating headlines for a while now. And I am not asserting that CH-4B are bad - not my call and neither I operate these, but perhaps Jordan wants something better.

You cannot be 'sure' of something Bhai, Janes is just a magazine just like popular mechanics or popular science, may have some insider news, but it's never 100% concrete and it is prone to western biases.

No no, you are not hating west, you are more like showing a predisposition of being against Chinese products. Just like you said, why does Jordan of all country need predator type drones, they are not even fighting a single war, doesn't it sound strange to you.

Exactly a new drone, not even tested in battle by the Jordanians IS suddenly not up to expectations? And you don't question the fact that these UCAVs are not even tested in combat yet they can have a verdict? And that's not strange to you?

The Saudis are even building a factory for this babies my friend, we are talking about 300 drones. We have 3 countries fighting actual wars becoming repeat customers satisfied with the performance. And don't you find it strange right after they stop using Chinese drones, they are offered US ones? I respect you for your critical thinking, so start thinking my friend.

 

[war&peace]

Other assets in the list are very old, some over 30 years old. Frames have a life-span.

CH-4B are not old.

All military systems are acquired after a rigorous testing. PA tests any system in detail and to the extremes before inducting. Furthermore, KSA and many other GCC countries are using CH4s without complains

 

[Han Patriot]

All military systems are acquired after a rigorous testing. PA tests any system in detail and to the extremes before inducting. Furthermore, KSA and many other GCC countries are using CH4s without complains

I am just asking for a fair assessment. There are bad and good stuff coming out of China, and CH-4B is one of those good ones.

 

[IceCold]

1. JANES isn't yellow journalism - very professional. This is actually old news.

2. Military-related procurements are not so cut and dry. Political considerations come into play, and options can be limited.

US is not exporting its high-end UAV for instance.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/unable...nes-allies-place-orders-with-china-1500301716

https://www.defensenews.com/newslet...osting-us-industry-billions-in-foreign-sales/

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/21/pen...l-out-of-armed-drones-to-americas-allies.html

Nowhere does it mean you will discard equipment worth billions. Political considerations are only one aspect, limited options another however still it does not prove that equipment can be bought alone on mere political considerations specially when it would had been clear from day one that it would not perform as per the buyers wishes. I find it hard to believe that it was uncovered after induction and usage and not during trials.