Joint R&D on Air-defence and AEW&C system with E.U?

[Nishan_101]

Hi,
Can PAF has any plans to co-develop Air-defence and AEW&C system with E.U? in future rather than buying expensive systems from them or U.S

 

[trident2010]

Co-developing is much more expensive and time consuming than buying ready to use products. In addition there is no guarantee of sucess. So at present looking at PAF economic situation it is good to buy these rather than co-developing it. Later in future perheps ..

 

[nomi007]

no my dear nishan.they never transfer their technology in Muslim hands.only Chinese are working with us in this field.example is kj-200 AEW&C system

 

[gowthamraj]

Europe systems are expensive than american. If the system get some sort of drawbacks in initial stages it become increase in billions. China is better for Pakistan i think

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Hi,
Can PAF has any plans to co-develop Air-defence and AEW&C system with E.U? in future rather than buying expensive systems from them or U.S

Perhaps you need to learn about First World war , and break up of ottoman empire , once you do that you should then also research on , british empire back in the east india company days.

Then you will come to a conclusion

a) Navy , Airforce and then finally Army
b) Economy & and Transportaion
c) Technology


No , no European company will join a joint technology pact due to section c in the above mentioned three items (We still see this in modern day) there is no limit on purchasing old stuff but new technology forget about it

Similarly we will never enjoy free trade with any european country
because there have been restriction and terrifs since days pre dating first world war.

 

[fatman17]

what is the objective of this thread???

 

[cabatli_53]

Co-developing is much more expensive and time consuming than buying ready to use products. In addition there is no guarantee of sucess. So at present looking at PAF economic situation it is good to buy these rather than co-developing it. Later in future perheps ..

At first look, You can see difficult face of development phases of your own systems but At the end, You will gain more than what you paid because Missile sector is the most strategical systems than any others in terms of technology, importance...etc

In additions, For Example, When you developed an IR seeker head to integrate on your air defence missiles, It is possible to use same/similar seeker heads for precision guided A-G missiles. Same for guidance/propulsion systems. All missile sector is tied with eachothers and uses generally similar technologies from air to naval systems so Once you catched somewhere of this technology, Rest is coming easily.

The most important side of developing your own missiles is that You develop the strategic systems of your own such as Detectors, RF, Guidance, Algorithms... which can easily be jammed by Enemy forces If They reach those critical informations of your system. The history has lots of such tragic incidents about missiles.

and When you developed your own, You type the algorithms in accodance with your own needs. I mean If USA designated 5m flying limit over the sea to hit enemy ships for Harpoon missiles international version (Most probably, Original versions have more deadly attacking capabilities), You can set up such critical key specifications of your missiles in accorance with your own requirements.

SAme for Radars, Even If the capability of foreign radars are able to search the targets with a range of 100km's, The software developed for export markets, gives you permission to increase the range scale up to 40-50km so Even If Radar saw the targets with a range from 100km, The software is waiting enemy targets to approach your strategic buildings-systems in order to give Warning/Tracking/Engagement.

The interesting side of all those, Even If you know Which probabilities you can meet When you ordered international versions of foreign missiles, You have to paid tonnes of money for those...

 

[Super Falcon]

well no need to co develop with EU they are never can be trusted we have seen what french did with JF 17 deal it is waste of time and money which are more important yes but china technology is not too bad very similar of EU standards and every day it is getting better and chinese are can be trusted in neeed

 

[cabatli_53]

I honestly do not know Why Pakistani politicians are waiting to join into Turkish air defence programs(2 of them are design phase, Other 1 is in development), While Pakistan geography has been covered with big threats. Pakistani army officials are visiting undesecretariat of Turkish defence industry but It needs real cooperation agreements...

It is for sure that European countries are not trusted, when it was issued to export technology but We are talking about Turkish defence programs. Those programs will be our first (ful scale development) attempts to create such missiles so Multiple Partners can decrease-share the risks. When the program passed the serial production phase, We can export those systems with both Pakistan-Turkish flags for foreign countries (but International versions of them ).

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well Turkish are way advance in term of the electronics and radar knowledge and I think Pakistan is better of to invest with Turkey and China into Radar needs for its nation

As oppose to reqesting radars for 10-20 years from countries that will only give us the radars once they are almost 90% obsolete

Our forigne Policy should be realligned with that of Turkey & China

If possible the local Middle Eastern units can come into the mix later

 

[khurasaan1]

well no need to co develop with EU they are never can be trusted we have seen what french did with JF 17 deal it is waste of time and money which are more important yes but china technology is not too bad very similar of EU standards and every day it is getting better and chinese are can be trusted in neeed

I 200% agree with ure analysis with the world situations ....it is exactly what Quran sayz about these people (cannot trust Kafirs and Uhood and Nasaarah) they are their enemies. No matter they pose to be ure friends ..but inside they looking for chance to destroy u...Who knowz better than Allah in their hearts?.........Obviously he knows everythng about them...
Yes we need to develop our own techs in all fields and only to depend on our own(Muslim) resources. You know even Rasool Allah said go to china for knowledge(or help)...cuz he already knew that the time will come and the only trustable friend will be china only. China has been trustable friend to Muslims for centuries without any doubt since the time of Rasool Allah(PBUH).


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[khurasaan1]

what is the objective of this thread???

The objective is to realize that.....DONT Trust EU ..but ourselves(Muslims resources) and China Only...Cuz its End Time Game Bro....

 

[khurasaan1]

Perhaps you need to learn about First World war , and break up of ottoman empire , once you do that you should then also research on , british empire back in the east india company days.

Then you will come to a conclusion

a) Navy , Airforce and then finally Army
b) Economy & and Transportaion
c) Technology


No , no European company will join a joint technology pact due to section c in the above mentioned three items (We still see this in modern day) there is no limit on purchasing old stuff but new technology forget about it

Similarly we will never enjoy free trade with any european country
because there have been restriction and terrifs since days pre dating first world war.

great analysis..bro ..
they treat us like piece of sh*t...
but we will treat them ..Inshallah by collaborating with China to equal it(sh*t) bro..(so they learn their lesson..not to oversmart us)

 

[khurasaan1]

Hi,
Can PAF has any plans to co-develop Air-defence and AEW&C system with E.U? in future rather than buying expensive systems from them or U.S

Impossible..bro...

 

[arya]

no my dear nishan.they never transfer their technology in Muslim hands.only Chinese are working with us in this field.example is kj-200 AEW&C system

kj-200 AEW&C system is a joint venture? will china provide full trchnology to Pakistan