John Prescott 'says Tony Blair's bloody crusades led to radicalisation of British Muslims'

[Luffy 500]

At least we now know what's causing such radicalisation in the extremely militarily aggressive countries of Ireland, Sweden and Belgium.

The word West refers to a cultural socio-political construct represented by western europe, US and its other allies. Last I checked Ireland, Sweden and Belgium are all western countries burdened with the tag "west".

And extremist most likely go by what west preaches. Democracy is rule of the people where the western people decides which lands their gov invade . U should have educated the people in the lands u invade that democracy actually doesn't mean that. Now u can't blame them for getting it wrong.

 

[illusion8]

Anyone who has a religion and sincerely believes in it would put it above everything else including their country, if that's not the case why even have a religion? Shouldn’t religion and the belief in god trump everything else?

I would say No, not when his "religion" incites him to kill his own countrymen. Religion is personal.
Country, your soldiers and your fellow citizens is about nationalism.
Though...you do have a point - it's confusing for countries that are based on religion. Citizens of such countries would rate one particular religion that made that country above everything else.

 

[ashok321]

Who is Tony Blair in the Philippines where Muslims are radicalized too?

 

[flamer84]

Anyone who has a religion and sincerely believes in it would put it above everything else including their country, if that's not the case why even have a religion? Shouldn’t religion and the belief in god trump everything else?

Wrong.Religion is a matter of the soul,not politics,legislation,etc.

@illusion8 is right.I guess some muslims made a bad confusion if they think like you.I also guess UK and Europe isn't really the best place for them.

 

[ozzy22]

Wrong.Religion is a matter of the soul,not politics,legislation,etc.

@illusion8 is right.I guess some muslims made a bad confusion if they think like you.I also guess UK and Europe isn't really the best place for them.

So if you had to choose between your country or your religion you would pick your country and I’m not talking about politics/legislation I’m saying anyone who is sincerely religious would put that first before anything else and I’m including all faiths not just Islam.

 

[Luffy 500]

Who is Tony Blair in the Philippines where Muslims are radicalized too?

Tony blair is the genocidal manaic who ordered the slaughter of brothers & sisters of Filipino muslims in Iraq & Af . Is it so surprising that it naturally lead to some Filipino muslims being, what u call "radicalized".

Btw Radical is such a vague term specially when non-muslims use against muslims. It would be better if u explain what u actually mean by it.

 

[flamer84]

So if you had to choose between your country or your religion you would pick your country and I’m not talking about politics/legislation I’m saying anyone who is sincerely religious would put that first before anything else and I’m including all faiths not just Islam.

Except that you're pushing this discussion into an impossible scenario.If i were living in ancient Rome i would have been faced with this choice.There i would have been forced to worship the emperor which clearly came into conflict with my religion.Today,the society i'm living in doesn't put me in that position.Do i think that some things in today's society are somewhat conflicting with my religion ? Yes,but than i understant that this society and its laws have been built not only to cater to my needs but the needs of others to.If you see it all from the high horse of "my God,best God,takes precedence " than you don't belong here.This is how this sociey has evolved,and muslims especially should understand that this evolution is the very thing that allowed their presence here in the first place.Challenging it only undermines their position.

Tony blair is the genocidal manaic who ordered the slaughter of brothers & sisters of Filipino muslims in Iraq & Af . Is it so surprising that it naturally lead to some Filipino muslims being, what u call "radicalized".

Btw Radical is such a vague term specially when non-muslims use against muslims. It would be better if u explain what u actually mean by it.

If i may ask you a question.How do you see the secular laws of UK,France,etc in respect to Islam and how must muslims adress this coexistence ?

 

[ashok321]

Tony blair is the genocidal manaic who ordered the slaughter of brothers & sisters of Filipino muslims in Iraq & Af . Is it so surprising that it naturally lead to some Filipino muslims being, what u call "radicalized".

Btw Radical is such a vague term specially when non-muslims use against muslims. It would be better if u explain what u actually mean by it.

The Philippine imbroglio predates Iraq & Afghanistan war.
Now say what you want to.

 

[ozzy22]

Except that you're pushing this discussion into an impossible scenario.If i were living in ancient Rome i would have been faced with this choice.There i would have been forced to worship the emperor which clearly came into conflict with my religion.Today,the society i'm living in doesn't put me in that position.Do i think that some things in today's society are somewhat conflicting with my religion ? Yes,but than i understant that this society and its laws have been built not only to cater to my needs but the needs of others to.If you see it all from the high horse of "my God,best God,takes precedence " than you don't belong here.This is how this sociey has evolved,and muslims especially should understand that this evolution is the very thing that allowed their presence here in the first place.Challenging it only undermines their position.




If i may ask you a question.How do you see the secular laws of UK,France,etc in respect to Islam and how must muslims adress this coexistence ?

I’m not even talking about Europe. The fact is people keep bringing up that Muslims are more loyal to their religion than their country be it Great Britain or Pakistan etc, but that’s a fact for anyone who’s religious. That doesn’t mean you can’t be patriotic and loyal to your country. I personally don't agree with these extremists and think they're massive hypocrites.

 

[Kao Boy]

I strongly disagree with Iraq invasion but does that mean I should betray the same country that sheltered and fed me? Typical Labour being apologetic to terrorists, general elections are just around the corner.

Hats off to you... It takes alot of courage to accept what you said...

 

[Luffy 500]

If i may ask you a question.How do you see the secular laws of UK,France,etc in respect to Islam and how must muslims adress this coexistence ?

Muslims in UK, France u mean? Its simple. As long as u r allowed to practice Islam and preach it there is nothing wrong in staying in such countries. If u r forced into something against your religion, Islam doesn't even allow muslims to stay in such places let alone migrate to such places. Then Immigration into more tolerant lands becomes an obligation on those muslims who r able. So far theoretically secular laws in the places u mentioned shouldn't dictate to muslims what to wear (france) and what values should they hold ( UK over the last couple of years) and scrutinize them abt their political world views.

If u r interested abt scholarly opinion u can watch this lecture of Dr. Yasir Qadhi :

The Philippine imbroglio predates Iraq & Afghanistan war.
Now say what you want to.

Western hostility against muslim lands predates formation of India by more than a 1000s years.

 

[flamer84]

Muslims in UK, France u mean? Its simple. As long as u r allowed to practice Islam and preach it peacefully there is nothing wrong in staying in such countries. If u r forced into something against your religion, Islam doesn't even allow muslims to stay in such places let alone migrate to such places. Then Immigration into more tolerant lands becomes an obligation on those muslims who r able. So far theoretically secular laws in the places u mentioned shouldn't dictate to muslims what to wear (france) and what values should they hold ( UK over the last couple of years) and scrutinize them abt their political world views.

If u r interested abt scholarly opinion u can watch this lecture of Dr. Yasir Qadhi :

Except that there's no such thing as "secular laws shouldn't...".For example,when France instated a burka ban it become a law which must be obeyed.You are very vague in your explanation,especially when it comes to values.I will watch the video,maybe it's more explicit.

Western hostility against muslim lands predates formation of India by more than a 1000s years.

No such thing,the West was the victim of agression first.What followed was just self defence,starting from Spain,Byzantium,Crusades,etc.After that it really became murky and degenerated into a slugfest back and forward between the 2 Abrahamic faiths.

 

[ashok321]

Western hostility against muslim lands predates formation of India by more than a 1000s years.

Muslim nations = 1400 years
Christianity predates Islam/

 

[Luffy 500]

Muslim nations = 1400 years
Christianity predates Islam/

The first human on the face of this earth , Adam (pbuh) was a muslim and a prophet in Islam. 1400 years ago God sent His last & final messenger with the final revelation, Quran as a mercy to mankind. All prophets from Adam (pbuh) to prophet Muhammad (pbuh) taught the same thing i.e worship of the one true God , Allah (swt) alone and follow His commandants in other words Islam.

 

[ashok321]

The first human on the face of this earth , Adam (pbuh) was a muslim and a prophet in Islam. 1400 years ago God sent His last & final messenger with the final revelation, Quran as a mercy to mankind. All prophets from Adam (pbuh) to prophet Muhammad (pbuh) taught the same thing i.e worship of the one true God , Allah (swt) alone and follow His commandants in other words Islam.

What is the definition of a Muslim?