JHMCS: A Combat Multiplier

[Contrarian]

What i mentioned actually was specfically keeping BVR battles in mind.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Some of you guys are talking about thrust vectoring as if human beings are not going to be flying these planes but rather some robots. Are you keeping into consideration the G forces, the black outs and the red outs and their effect on the pilots. How about the plane itself---how often can it display this manuever before it tears itself up.

What effect would it have on the joints that are riveted and how about parts that are held together by fasteners ie nuts and bolts.

Some flyers state that thrust vectoring as shown by the russian planes being a slower speed maneavour, would leave the plane vulnerable to a second missile strike as is the normal procedure by pilots who shoot missile in one two one two salvos.

Second part is the G factor----pilots are known to handle 8 to 9 positve g's in their pressurized suits, but the culprit is the negative G---the red outs. Pilots are known to pass out at 5 negative G's. In thrust vectoring related moves, the G's hit the pilots real real fast. So let us talk a little more about these G's and what effect it will have on the flyers.

 

[su-47]

Hi,

Some of you guys are talking about thrust vectoring as if human beings are not going to be flying these planes but rather some robots. Are you keeping into consideration the G forces, the black outs and the red outs and their effect on the pilots. How about the plane itself---how often can it display this manuever before it tears itself up.

What effect would it have on the joints that are riveted and how about parts that are held together by fasteners ie nuts and bolts.

TVC engines are a headache when it comes to maintenance, and TVC cant be done too many times in a single mission, but fact remains that with good maintenance, TVC engines can be held together time after time. Remember TVC is not used in every mission.

Some flyers state that thrust vectoring as shown by the russian planes being a slower speed maneavour, would leave the plane vulnerable to a second missile strike as is the normal procedure by pilots who shoot missile in one two one two salvos.

I havnt heard this before, but if it is true, then remember that usually aerial combat nowadays are not one-on-one. this means that its harder to fire two missiles and guide them both to the target, since the other enemy planes will be firing at you. so in then end, usually u can only get off one missile. this means that if the enemy plane dodges that missile using TVC, he has a chance of turning around and firing at you, if his mates havent already brought you down

Second part is the G factor----pilots are known to handle 8 to 9 positve g's in their pressurized suits, but the culprit is the negative G---the red outs. Pilots are known to pass out at 5 negative G's. In thrust vectoring related moves, the G's hit the pilots real real fast. So let us talk a little more about these G's and what effect it will have on the flyers.

Gs are a problem, but as i said, TVC is not used every now and then. A trained pilot can use TVC and still remain within the zone between balckouts and redouts

 

[IceCold]

What about the G suits of the Typhoon? Discovery was showing that the pilot can sustain the G effects, thanks to the specially built G suit for the typhoon. ( they used a special term here which i dont seem to remember ) the plane can constantly perform the G manoeuvres without pilot being balcked out or redout.

 

[su-47]

What about the G suits of the Typhoon? Discovery was showing that the pilot can sustain the G effects, thanks to the specially built G suit for the typhoon. ( they used a special term here which i dont seem to remember ) the plane can constantly perform the G manoeuvres without pilot being balcked out or redout.

These suits will be another boost to TVC tech. Pilots will be able to use TVC more and at higher speeds.

Also, the introduction of these suits might be indication that typhoon might get TVC in the future.

 

[Titanium]

Back to HMS discussion, If I recollect russia/soviet were the one who poineered, then Israel with Dash, US with JHMS with Israel, SA, China and now Euro. Did anyone has any comparision or review kind of info.