JF17 is an aircraft of present,Tejas is an aircraft of future - IAF chief

[ssethii]

they are not Bs argument they are bitter facts JF 17 even does not have OBOGS which MK1 has

Grow up man, nobody is buying your crap here. Make yourself aware of before making shit claims about 80cc engine and whatnot. It's useless engaging with someone with motor mechanic mentality on an aviation thread.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Grow up man, nobody is buying your crap here. Make yourself aware of before making shit claims about 80cc engine and whatnot. It's useless engaging with someone with motor mechanic mentality on an aviation thread.

OK but what i dont get is why do pakistnies are so obsessed with LCA tejas when its not even a frontline figher and last of problems of PAF
why dont pakistanies have the guts to talk about ways to countering indian fighters like jaguar Darin III or Upgraded Mirage 2000 or Upgraded Mig29s or Su 30 MKi or that rafale

LCA will never even cross the indian border so why even worry about it

 

[BRAVO_]

to all Pakistani members who are engaging a known troll poster who is posting BS need to know that their own intellectual capacity will be undermine if they keep doing the same

and for the BS posted by the known troll
http://www.tejas.gov.in/history/milestones.html

you have nailed it already with your precise but to the point post... nothing further to add in this thread .... cheers

 

[ALi Rizwan]

do you know tejas has 17 prototypes flight testing even now made more than 4000 flying hours of flight testing since jan2001 and it got FINAL OPERATIONAL CLEARENCE IN 2015 go do some research kid

tell me @Vapnope if JF17 is so great why did PLAAF reject it

Wow 17 Prototypes. you are ELITE TROLL.
http://idrw.org/tejas-mk-1-to-get-foc-this-year-a-report/
Chandraker Bharti, Joint Secretary (Aerospace) while speaking to the media said that Final Operational Clearance (FOC) of Tejas MK-1 will be completed this year and also confirmed that many countries are interested in the purchase of the aircraft but refused to disclose the names.
WOW 4000 flying hours from 2001 LOL. do you know JF-17 Thunder flying hours ELITE TROLL?

JF-17 is a light combat aircraft. pls mentioned 1 aircraft which China induct from 2007 onward & is light weight?
There is nothing wrong with JF-17.
Do you know that JF-17 is smaller plane compared to J-10???

 

[ssethii]

OK but what i dont get is why do pakistnies are so obsessed with LCA tejas when its not even a frontline figher and last of problems of PAF
why dont pakistanies have the guts to talk about ways to countering indian fighters like jaguar Darin III or Upgraded Mirage 2000 or Upgraded Mig29s or Su 30 MKi or that rafale

LCA will never even cross the indian border so why even worry about it

Noone claimed here that PAF has any edge over IAF and all the fighters you have mentioned have to cross the borders first to engage most of PAFs inventory, PAF doctrine is of defensive nature and I'm sure you realize that PAF can nutralize IAF's advantage on thier own turf.

Wow 17 Prototypes. you are ELITE TROLL.
http://idrw.org/tejas-mk-1-to-get-foc-this-year-a-report/
Chandraker Bharti, Joint Secretary (Aerospace) while speaking to the media said that Final Operational Clearance (FOC) of Tejas MK-1 will be completed this year and also confirmed that many countries are interested in the purchase of the aircraft but refused to disclose the names.
WOW 4000 flying hours from 2001 LOL. do you know JF-17 Thunder flying hours ELITE TROLL?

JF-17 is a light combat aircraft. pls mentioned 1 aircraft which China induct from 2007 onward & is light weight?
There is nothing wrong with JF-17.
Do you know that JF-17 is smaller plane compared to J-10???

He is repeating same old bullshit without any logic and throwing evething in response like a child. I mean how can sensible person say that after knowing JF-17 has secured more than one export orders.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Noone claimed here that PAF has any edge over IAF and all the fighters you have mentioned have to cross the borders first to engage most of PAFs inventory, PAF doctrine is of defensive nature and I'm sure you realize that PAF can nutralize IAF's advantage on thier own turf.


He is repeating same old bullshit without any logic and throwing evething in response like a child. I mean how can sensible person say that after knowing JF-17 has secured more than one export orders.

i know PAF doctroine and all that

but my qiestion is why are pakistani fan boys obsessed by LCA when its not even the competitor or oppnent to JF17 in time of an AIR to AIR war

tell me dear if you know tommorow that you have to fight me one to one will you prepair to fight or talk and make fun me or my youngest brother

as for export orders India never made LCA tejas for export in the first place we made it to fill in the gap created by outgoing Mig21 (to replace all mig21 and possibally Mig27 squads & maybe Jaguar squads some day) of IAF we already have two production lines working in full swing and once Su 30 MKI Line is finished with its quota of 272 MKIs LCA is going to be mass produced there so dont worry ... its better to be late than to be never

 

[ssethii]

i know PAF doctroine and all that

but my qiestion is why are pakistani fan boys obsessed by LCA when its not even the competitor or oppnent to JF17 in time of an AIR to AIR war

tell me dear if you know tommorow that you have to fight me one to one will you prepair to fight or talk and make fun me or my youngest brother

as for export orders India never made LCA tejas for export in the first place we made it to fill in the gap created by outgoing Mig21 (to replace all mig21 and possibally Mig27 squads & maybe Jaguar squads some day) of IAF we already have two production lines working in full swing and once Su 30 MKI Line is finished with its quota of 272 MKIs LCA is going to be mass produced there so dont worry ... its better to be late than to be never

You give us that golden opportunity to break your balls due to the tall claims your kind have been making since those aircrafts were under development, no one is comparing it on grounds of combat capabilities but as a project to create an indigenous aircraft, in which sense jf17 has not only satisfied the prime user but also secured export orders and became a success story.

P.S. And it's not we who are obsessed but your air chief who has started all this debate.

 

[GURU DUTT]

You give us that golden opportunity to break your balls due to the tall claims your kind have been making since those aircrafts were under development, no one is comparing it on grounds of combat capabilities but as a project to create an indigenous aircraft, in which sense jf17 has not only satisfied the prime user but also secured export orders and became a success story.

you still dont get it and making fun of LCA for ske of it .

point is LCA was never made to be exported , it was made as a cheap point defnce fighter to replace Mig 21 & Mig 27
(for internal air policing 7 internal vigil & providing close air support to indian forces in indian air space in times of WAR)

so as for JF 17 PAF induscted it hurridly when it was not even given IOC forget FOC when not even its GUN & missiles or PGM & LGB firring forget missile firring cpbilty was inigrated or tested and produced in huge nubers due to sanction from USA and acute shortage of F16 spares (weather you like or denay it )

now point is LCA is no comparroson to JF17 caise both might be light wieght fighters but thats it

LCA has totaly diffrent roales and totally diffrent avionics and radar & EW-ECM-jammers & weapons systems which JF17 can only dream to have

LCA is not a front line fighter or the only hope of IAF but PAF is the now Frontline fighter of PAF and most of F16s are staranded deu to acute shortage of spares and Blk52s need fresh radar source codes from USA to be feeded before ever flight sortie and to be feeded by a US expert only and in times of WAR they have many BUGS which have potential dangers of shutting OFF the navigation if ever they enter indian air space (as rumored i might be wrong)

 

[Windjammer]

Fact : 1> No PAF Personal or any responsible person from Pakistan side ever compared the JF-17 with the likes of Tejas as simply there's no comparison between an aircraft serving in some six operational squadrons, being flown out and displayed in Europe, Middle East, Africa and Asia, has participated in international exercises, regularly carries out combat duties and even has an air-to-air kill to it's credit. It's also won export orders.

Fact : 2> The Indians from the IAF Air chief and every Prem, Preety & Patli have to repeatedly mention the JF-17 and exaggerate the capabilities of Tejas just to feel good and convince the Indian public, as they say proof is in the pudding, forget all the fancy gadget details or what role each aircraft will play, the fact is Tejas made it's maiden flight much earlier than the JF-17....however the JF-17 first appeared in public by flying a short display on Pakistan Day parade 2007 where as until 2016, the Tejas had to be dragged on a trailer.
What's there to compare. !!!

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

1. 1993 as money was clered then
2.some 2.6 billion including every thing (R&D, buing engines, weapons , tools, avionics& pauing salries& making protyps)
3.25ofwhich 8 have been inducted till date in IAF
4.unit cost of Teajs 32 million can come down when mass production comes online
5. you are a dunce if you dont even know that DRDO does not do R&D for LCA but HAL & ARDE

last but not the least Tejas is at best a R&D project to make a aviation ecosystem in india which it did and india is proud to have it and its even in its MK1 format has all those capabilities and more that JF17 wants to aquire in its BLK III version weather you like it or not i does not change the fact

and weather tejas has less number it does not makes any diffrence as tejas is not the only fighter for IAF's future but JF17 sure is the future war horse of PAF so be reday for combined force of Jaguars+MIg29s+Mirage2000V5s+Su30MKI+Rafales+ Mig21 Bisons and then maube LCA


do you know tejas has 17 prototypes flight testing even now made more than 4000 flying hours of flight testing since jan2001 and it got FINAL OPERATIONAL CLEARENCE IN 2015 go do some research kid


cause the changes in latest techonoly of war once Pulse doppler radar was the best then PESA radar was the best ten came GaA radar now GaN radar in the best who know whats the best tomorrow ,, its called pushing the envelop thats why so much money is keep piurung in R&D of weapons and such non fruitfull things


tell me @Vapnope if JF17 is so great why did PLAAF reject it


so you mean IAF is sleeping about PAF and its war palns

and do you think there is no curruption is pakistani militarry procurment

have you ever seen the life stayles of even third genration of kids of pakistani militarry(army, navy & air force) women & kids living in UK , USA & europe

even richest indian kids from industrialist familes can only dream to spend like that

The aircraft is 25 years too late. All the other Indian posters, keep talking about Tejas but one day the program will be shelved for some practical aircraft.

Sure, the JF-17 is not static, but the CAS was talking about the operational JF-17s, not any future version of the JF-17.

There is indeed nothing special in Tejas, except that it was designed and developed in India. After the Tejas, it's obvious that the Indian industry will now move up the value chain.



Meh. If the procurement system is corrupt, then provide proof and become a millionaire. RaGa will pay you the money. You can then retire in the US, UK or Canada with your millions. As a bonus, you will see the Indian procurement system completely demolished, and it works in your favour.

I am sure that if not you, then at least the ISI will have proof of scams that can bring India's modernization plans to a grinding halt, like it did with Bofors. So why haven't you provided the proof yet?

Talk is cheap.

Your Bull shit is cheaper kid. I am already retired. and you know nothing about your country, or your counter intel job and uniform does not allow you to talk about facts. Good luck to you. This BS was started by your CAS, not our side. We are busy working towards the future while your dunce research organizations are trying to salvage their past glorious failure. Keep cheering that you bunch of fools.

 

[randomradio]

We are busy working towards the future while your dunce research organizations are trying to salvage their past glorious failure. Keep cheering that you bunch of fools.

This is funny. Everything you say applies to the JF-17 as well.

You inducted a shell of an aircraft a bit early and then IOCd pretty much the same version as the LCA Mk1 the same time as the Mk1. Just look at the Block 2 timeline and compare with LCA Mk1's, pretty much the same. Bring the Block 3 in, you will get the same story. Except that we will get double the numbers in, and more.

And I don't have to tell you that the IAF is big enough to absorb 250-350 LCAs and still have room for hundreds of more advanced aircraft.

Fact : 1> No PAF Personal or any responsible person from Pakistan side ever compared the JF-17 with the likes of Tejas as simply there's no comparison between an aircraft serving in some six operational squadrons, being flown out and displayed in Europe, Middle East, Africa and Asia, has participated in international exercises, regularly carries out combat duties and even has an air-to-air kill to it's credit. It's also won export orders.

Talk is cheap. Bring the JF-17 to any airshow in the Middle East or the West and stick it in a stall right next to the Tejas.

 

[Imran Khan]

in fact its opposite
LCA was started 20 years earlier then jf-17 and tejas was fighter of past and jf-17 was fighter of future . but sadly Indian HAL work monthly one day on LCA while PAC is working day night to induct more numbers

 

[Zibago]

Jey af satraan ki mashori bharat key sipah e salaf ney kardi is mein khalai makhlok ka hath hy

 

[Noman Sarwar]

And in the next 10 years, the LCA will have surpassed the JF-17's numbers. And almost all the LCAs will have AESA radars.

we have been hearing this nonsense for last 2 decades. stop day dreaming first start replacing old migs with tejas then compare it with far superior thunder.

 

[Windjammer]

Talk is cheap. Bring the JF-17 to any airshow in the Middle East or the West and stick it in a stall right next to the Tejas.

Yea, in your case it's cheap and ridiculous.
JF-17 has visited and performed in Farnborough, Paris, Dubai, Turkey, China, Oman and Saudi....most of them repeatedly....where has your Tejas visited.....oh Barain Car boot sale is not exactly considered an airshow.....it's a civil entity hence there were hardly any fighter jets present there.....but hey who knows in another 20 years Tejas may make it into a proper international airshow.