JF-17 Thunder still under evaluation by the PLAAF

[VelocuR]

Serious question is I know Chinese tend to copy many products and qualities, I am a bit worried when it come to war, the chinese-made military sold to Pakistan turned out to be bad low qualities compared to high quality products in West.

How can we trust on qualities of Chinese products? Is there AESA working properly to perceive many threats or missing signals?

 

[Storm Force]

reply to YANG

2014 is soon lol. and where would Tejas fit? They have Su-30MKI and getting most likely Rafale. their navy uses MiG-29K. having too many aircraft types would make logistics very difficult

Future frontline IAF fleet is 3 types only

Su30mki
Rafale F3
Tejas mk1 /mk2

Everything else bar 120 MIG29 smt/mirage2000-5 WILL BE SCRAPPED by 2020

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Regarding THE MAIN QUESTION in this entire THREAD.

PLAAF and JFT we must ask ourselves DO CHINA REALLY NEED A 4TH NEW COMBAT TYPE..... ie

THE PLAAF are inductong Flankers esp J11 now

indengious single engine J10 & FC20 soon.

AND will start to induct J20 stealth fighters soon.

i SEE J20 / J11, & J10 being the perfect balance... ie stealth,,, twin engined ,, single engined inplaaf.

I agree there are some 500 F7 but i see the PLAAF changing shape & size ie 200 J10/FC20 is better than 500 F7

JFT could forfill local AIR NATIONAL GUARD type role over chinease air bases like F5 did in the USA in the 1970s

agreed

they got too many other plans under their belt, maybe to replace their J-7s but currently they got J10s, J-11s and the new J-20 and another J-xx plane so my guess is good as yours.

re Pakistan its very simple, it will be the workhorse and J-10s and new/old F-16s as the front end simplez

Serious question is I know Chinese tend to copy many products and qualities, I am a bit worried when it come to war, the chinese-made military sold to Pakistan turned out to be bad low qualities compared to high quality products in West.

How can we trust on qualities of Chinese products? Is there AESA working properly to perceive many threats or missing signals?

hehehe

bit too late there buddy.
we are stuck now.


No, seriously.. the aircraft has flown enough hours, being constantly tested and has taken part in PAF exercises as well, flown in two shows and apart form the crash there is no major issue that would have had grounded the project.

so no need to panic there. not convinced?

ok go ahead and panic once you calm down then check out this video with commentary by a Western aviation expert and tell me

PAF JF-17 Thunder Performing at DUBAI AIRSHOW 15.November, 2011

where has he shown any reservation or concerns towards the craft?
you wont send your "dodgy" stuff to 3 different airshows if you have question marks over its performance will you? I know I wont

 

[Matrixx]

2014 is soon lol. and where would Tejas fit? They have Su-30MKI and MiG-29 and Mirage 2000 and getting most likely Rafale. their navy uses MiG-29K. having too many aircraft types would make logistics very difficult

Hope you know when China will induct JF17......LCA is not our main stricker..it will take Mig21 place....Mirage will be scraped by 2018 or so.
Final list by 2018

PAK FA
Rafale
SU30MKI
LCA

 

[danger007]

Hope you know when China will induct JF17......LCA is not our main stricker..it will take Mig21 place....Mirage will be scraped by 2018 or so.
Final list by 2018

PAK FA
Rafale
SU30MKI
LCA

hmmm you are new comer here.... only mig-21 gonna scrapped by 2018 not M2k.....M2k is going to be upgrade -
M2k5....

 

[VelocuR]

hehehe

bit too late there buddy.
we are stuck now.

No, seriously.. the aircraft has flown enough hours, being constantly tested and has taken part in PAF exercises as well, flown in two shows and apart form the crash there is no major issue that would have had grounded the project.

so no need to panic there. not convinced?

ok go ahead and panic once you calm down then check out this video with commentary by a Western aviation expert and tell me

PAF JF-17 Thunder Performing at DUBAI AIRSHOW 15.November, 2011

where has he shown any reservation or concerns towards the craft?
you wont send your "dodgy" stuff to 3 different airshows if you have question marks over its performance will you? I know I wont

Sir, I am not giving you hard time, despite many Indians are here. After some Indians disappears to satisfy their dramas and egos, I will consider to think and will ask more questions on the low qualities of cost-saving Chinese products and avionics reliability. There are very few clients looking up at the sky of JFT, everybody busy walking.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Sir, I am not giving you hard time, despite many Indians are here. After some Indians disappears to satisfy their dramas and egos, I will consider to think and will ask more questions on the low qualities of cost-saving Chinese products and avionics reliability. There are very few clients looking up at the sky of JFT, everybody busy walking.

free will

no compulsion there

doesnt change the fact that the plane meets and even exceeds the expectations of PAF. for the coming few years PAF needs to fill its own ranks then we will worry about the walking away customers as you have put it

 

[VelocuR]

free will

no compulsion there

doesnt change the fact that the plane meets and even exceeds the expectations of PAF. for the coming few years PAF needs to fill its own ranks then we will worry about the walking away customers as you have put it

Sir, I have faith on PAF, I do see great progress, testing, and ongoing trials. How reliable in avionics system by cost-saving Chinese? any missing signals? Aside from this, I bought new ipad, there is some issues going on, made from China.

 

[nomi007]

why people have concern about fc-1
Chinese have different requirements we have different
they ahve more advance j-10,j-11,j-15 e-t-c
even j-16 (su-30 copy)j-10b are also under evaluation

 

[TaimiKhan]

There are a few simple things which lead to a strong belief that FC-1 is being looked at by CAF or CN.

Its being tested along J-10B & J-20, with all the Chinese weapon systems, systems which are in use of Chinese armed forces and not abroad. Such extensive tests don't occur for a foreign customer, had that been the case, JF-17 would have done that long time back. I am sure, its being tested for may be a Chinese induction in future.

Plus point of Fc-1 is, whatever is developed for J-10B or J-20, a smaller version of the tech can easily be installed or developed for FC-1, thus FC-1 becoming a very potent and dangerous aircraft in its category. Thus you have a very good fighter jet in the same tech level as J-10B or J-20, but which costs less, you can field in numbers, and their operational and development cost also much lower.

And i dont think JF-17 is a point defence fighter in true sense, point defence fighter is Mig-21 / F-7s, which can fly in the air for a short period of time, or are scrambled once an enemy is detected, they go, intercept and return back. While JF-17s can fly in the air with good amount of payload for a greater time period compared to its ancestors. I see JF-17s flying each day, and i have yet to see a JF-17 flying a training sortie with an external fuel tank, not a single fuel tank. This gives an idea that JF-17 can fly a good amount of time on just its internal fuel tanks without needing external fuel tank, and with internal refueling probe, it will be not a point defence fighter.

FC-1 if inducted, will give CAF / CN an added advantage of a 4th / 4.5th gen fighter, which is very cost effective compared to its heavier class fighters.

 

[Donatello]

Regarding THE MAIN QUESTION in this entire THREAD.

PLAAF and JFT we must ask ourselves DO CHINA REALLY NEED A 4TH NEW COMBAT TYPE..... ie

THE PLAAF are inductong Flankers esp J11 now

indengious single engine J10 & FC20 soon.

AND will start to induct J20 stealth fighters soon.

i SEE J20 / J11, & J10 being the perfect balance... ie stealth,,, twin engined ,, single engined inplaaf.

I agree there are some 500 F7 but i see the PLAAF changing shape & size ie 200 J10/FC20 is better than 500 F7

JFT could forfill local AIR NATIONAL GUARD type role over chinease air bases like F5 did in the USA in the 1970s

No one is comparing J-7s here.......we all know that JF-17s offer tremendous improvement over the PAF's F-7 and Mirage III/V.

However, it not about relative to within what PAF has or had.....but relative to the PAF's enemy.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Sir, I have faith on PAF, I do see great progress, testing, and ongoing trials. How reliable in avionics system by cost-saving Chinese? any missing signals? Aside from this, I bought new ipad, there is some issues going on, made from China.

I am sorry to hear that. back in the 50s and 60s this was the perception with the Made in Japan goods.
I must ask what is "NOT" made in China today when it comes to general consumer market goods. sadly the world is stuck with that now. western overheads are too much for the capitalistic model hence cheaper options are sought and in the process the so called edge is lost we might have a laugh at Chinese goods but lately people are noticing that the Chinese are also laughing and one day they would be laughing loudest if you know what I am saying. they have gone a long way from a humble F-6 (Mig 19 clone) to J-20 for example. space program to quote one (there is no margin for error or compromise over quality because the consequences are devastating).

JF-17 wont be republic X wing for sure but it aint a lousy unnamed freighter of planet Tatooine (sorry for star wars references)
for now I will go with the reactions and experiences of the PAF pilots who have found the aircraft very responsive and capable. I hope in near future it will win the hearts of its skeptics who care about PAF.

 

[Donatello]

I am sorry to hear that. back in the 50s and 60s this was the perception with the Made in Japan goods.
I must ask what is "NOT" made in China today when it comes to general consumer market goods. sadly the world is stuck with that now. western overheads are too much for the capitalistic model hence cheaper options are sought and in the process the so called edge is lost we might have a laugh at Chinese goods but lately people are noticing that the Chinese are also laughing and one day they would be laughing loudest if you know what I am saying. they have gone a long way from a humble F-6 (Mig 19 clone) to J-20 for example. space program to quote one (there is no margin for error or compromise over quality because the consequences are devastating).

JF-17 wont be republic X wing for sure but it aint a lousy unnamed freighter of planet Tatooine (sorry for star wars references)
for now I will go with the reactions and experiences of the PAF pilots who have found the aircraft very responsive and capable. I hope in near future it will win the hearts of its skeptics who care about PAF.

.......but i am critical of JF-17 being exported to countries like Congo...........i mean, it's tech can easily be revealed and strengths and weaknesses mapped out by, future would be enemies of Pakistan/China. I think PAC/CAC need to be very cautious in this regard and not get carried away in the dream of cashing in on this capable jet.

 

[FireFighter]

how many JF17 has the PAF acquired or built so far in numbers?

 

[AbhimanyuShrivastav]

how many JF17 has the PAF acquired or built so far in numbers?

close to 50 or less...I guess..