jf-17(idea for new hard points) by wahaj(me)

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i hav an idea for two hard points uder the inlets,which will b capable for loading middium size missile,bombs and targeting pods.
wat u people say....plz let me know hurry....!

 

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one more pic of pod.

 

[Munir]

If you do that then your engine will get the punishment if you launch...Besides that you vulnerable DSI will face some punishment....

 

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what kind of punishment?
have u ever seen Grippen and Viggen,both of them have hard points under there inlets.and wat about us f15 strike eagle.give me reason n explain the problem dat it will face plz

 

[Munir]

what kind of punishment?
have u ever seen Grippen and Viggen,both of them have hard points under there inlets.and wat about us f15 strike eagle.give me reason n explain the problem dat it will face plz

They do not fire AIM9 from that pylons... The smoke of the AIM9 will suffocate your engine...

 

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i dont seek any problem in it.i give u some examlpes.
saab darken has two hard points right under its inlets and it also loads sidewinders and launches it,saab viggin also has the same thing.it not only fires sidewinders but aim7-sparrows too.
well i dont know about grippen.then lets talk about ef-2000 and j-10,
they r the 4+ gen fighter,their engine would also b punished by there missile launch and smoke.and in the last the great f22,when it launches its sidewinder from side bay,it smoke always pass thrugh the engine.there r two more f15 n f4.
dont u think missile after its launch fall down from paylon and then burns after a short while.
or what a little smoke can cause to engine.

 

[Muradk]

i hav an idea for two hard points uder the inlets,which will b capable for loading middium size missile,bombs and targeting pods.
wat u people say....plz let me know hurry....!

Please can you email me these I cant seem to open up the photo it goes dark.
mk

 

[BaburCM]

I agree. That I'm afraid isn't a possibility. The air-to-air missiles are just too close to the DSI intakes. There is hardly any breathing room. The engine and surely the DSI intake will bear the brunt. We cannot rule out that the addition of two missiles close to the intake will have adverse consequences for the DSI function. The pylon however perhaps could be used for air-to-surface missions, that is unpowered, gliding guided missiles/bombs, but even so we cannot rule out that DSI will be affected adversely.

 

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y not sir just giv me ur email.
when u wrote a reply on this treat,same time i was checking ur threat,i really want to see indian aircrafts going down by paf hand,but those videos r not working dat u hav posted there.im very glad to know that ur a retired fighter pilot off paf.i wanted to join paf as an aircraft engineer but the damm % of mine,it made me join comerce.

 

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ya thats wat im talking,if it cannot b used for missiles then it could b used for guided bombs or pod.what ever it is! we hav to use the empty space in the air craft(jf-17).
there is another space in the aircraft,it is under top edge of wing near inlets,this space can also b used.

 

[BaburCM]

ya thats wat im talking,if it cannot b used for missiles then it could b used for guided bombs or pod.what ever it is! we hav to use the empty space in the air craft(jf-17).
there is another space in the aircraft,it is under top edge of wing near inlets,this space can also b used.

I agree that JF-17 needs a greater payload. However, you have to remember that adding missiles or bombs to a plane will change the whole aerodynamics. The current structure of the airframe will be frozen till some time. Increasing or altering the payload will be considered in the consequent batches of JF-17. It's widely known that PAF desires JF-17 with greater payload, range etc. It's a whole process that will require going back to the drawing-board.

First, the factory in Kamra needs to start producing a dozen Thunders. It's an absolute must to give the local aviation industry a kick start in the right direction. That is priority number one. Additionally, we need to start the process of phasing out and inducting the new platforms. The aging obsolete fleet needs to be phased out ASAP. Gaining a wealth of experience through the domestic industry will inevitably lead to a lot of creative ideas and improvement. It can be used as input for the newer Block of the JF-17. Nonetheless, this is a pretty good idea and I commend your creativity.

 

[circuitbaba]

The vertical distance from the belly should be reduced as is apparent with MIRAGE-2000 and F-15E....plus we should not critisize DZ as from the front u cant determine that they are infront or behind DSI...If they are behind DSI as they should be then missile fume should not be a problem for the engine....then my last point...why do we need BVRAAM there we can have them at regular hardpoints with multiple wracks...thus minimizing complexity and new designing...with multiple wracks JF-17 can carry 8 AAM with center belly for Fuel tank.....8 are enough for any air defence or CAP mission

 

[BaburCM]

The vertical distance from the belly should be reduced as is apparent with MIRAGE-2000 and F-15E....plus we should not critisize DZ as from the front u cant determine that they are infront or behind DSI...If they are behind DSI as they should be then missile fume should not be a problem for the engine....then my last point...why do we need BVRAAM there we can have them at regular hardpoints with multiple wracks...thus minimizing complexity and new designing...with multiple wracks JF-17 can carry 8 AAM with center belly for Fuel tank.....8 are enough for any air defence or CAP mission

I agree with your point view. However, no one is criticizing brother DZ. We are merely stating the obvious. Making such critical changes and increasing the payload will have consequences for the aerodynamic structure. Unfortunately, it's not as simple as just hanging weight to the aircraft. I think that debating about the payload or other aspects of the JF-17 can only be healthy and beneficial. It's all about improvement. The addition of Multiple Ejector Racks on both sides is another great idea.

 

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The vertical distance from the belly should be reduced as is apparent with MIRAGE-2000 and F-15E....plus we should not critisize DZ as from the front u cant determine that they are infront or behind DSI...If they are behind DSI as they should be then missile fume should not be a problem for the engine....then my last point...why do we need BVRAAM there we can have them at regular hardpoints with multiple wracks...thus minimizing complexity and new designing...with multiple wracks JF-17 can carry 8 AAM with center belly for Fuel tank.....8 are enough for any air defence or CAP mission

wow...wow jf-17 hav multiple wracks for missiles and bombs,is it true.? if it is,then im going to throw my idea in the well.

 

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I agree that JF-17 needs a greater payload. However, you have to remember that adding missiles or bombs to a plane will change the whole aerodynamics. The current structure of the airframe will be frozen till some time. Increasing or altering the payload will be considered in the consequent batches of JF-17. It's widely known that PAF desires JF-17 with greater payload, range etc. It's a whole process that will require going back to the drawing-room.

First, the factory in Kamra needs to start producing a dozen Thunders. It's an absolute must to give the local aviation industry a kick start in the right direction. That is priority number one. Additionally, we need to start the process of phasing out and inducting the new platforms. The aging obsolete fleet needs to phased out ASAP. Gaining a wealth of experience through the domestic industry will inevitably lead to a lot of creative ideas and improvement. It can be used as input for the newer Block of the JF-17. Nonetheless, this is a pretty good idea and I commend your creativity.

thanx babur(JOKER).i also have a few ideas for paf of STOVL transportation & tactical aircraft,STOVEL multirole fighter,a supersonic strike aircraft and a amazing idea of a stealth aircraft with four cross shaped vertical stablizer and powerfull controlls.wana see.