JF-17 Below The Radar

[Ultima Thule]

Its a delta wing jet its built for high altitude speed not for low speed maneuverability /low altitude maneuverability, tail cropped delta wing built for low speed/altitude maneuverability like F-16, MIG-29, Su-27, F-15, F-22, F-35 and PAK-FA, canard delta wing also have a low speed/altitude maneuverability like EF2000, RAFALE and GRIPPEN BUT NOT PURE DELTA WING HAS A LOW SPEED/ALTITUDE MANEUVERABILITY LIKE MIRAGE SERIES, 60 ERA'S DRAKEN AND US 50 ERA'S F-106 AND F-104 and do research before you post on PDF

Just have a straight low pass and not doing any low pass maneuverability

 

[Taygibay]

I read some comments by Intelligent Indians on a certain site claiming . . .

Rule 32 : Pics or it didn't happen.

Tay.

 

[SQ8]

I do not believe there any need to consider or give weight to the words of a lesser species(Indian bhakt trolls)

Combating them outside on other platforms and forms is better. Here on pdf their words should be considered spiteful and angry at best and worthless in normalcy.

 

[HRK]

 

[Thorough Pro]

BS, it's taking off, or maybe Indian pilots do aerobatics with landing gears hanging out

Now here's a LCA doing low flying acrobatics. Lower than OP pictures.
Should I claim something based on this picture? I wouldn't.
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[Pyara9]

mercy, mercy!

Now here's a LCA doing low flying acrobatics. Lower than OP pictures.
Should I claim something based on this picture? I wouldn't.
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It was merely a quote with no implication from my end.
Let him show the claims. And if it's by some low level "enthusiast", why go to that level. You see worse things.

Unless it's a common thought among a set of Indian posters anywhere, he just wanted to say it for no reason. Now let's spot some one comment on Facebook and quote them then.

Why are you even comparing a plane that is not even in production yet? To a Plane that has been in service, even sold over sea's?? tell me the logic please?

Step1)Make the Plane first
2) Put it in service with your airforce
3)Come to Pakdefence And try to Prove your D Is bigger then Ours.

As of this moment we got our D out and every one can see it. you are jumping around like a child in your dhoti trying to pretend yours is bigger, while not showing it.

 

[GriffinsRule]

Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

Here is what we do know about the LCA ... its being pushed/forced into IAF while it has not even completed its FOC. Last I read, it hasn't even qualified yet for firing its canon in flight. And there are what, 6 or so odd planes in squadron service. Can one even consider such a unit operational? BTW it took HAL three years to manufacture 6 aircraft and here you are claiming to induct 60/year!! Laughable. I don't expect to see more than 4 LCAs coming off these two lines in 2018, but maybe a miracle might happen.

The oft touted 2nd production line is supposed to build just 5 LCAs per year when its fully operational and running ... however as things stand right now, it took a year to build exactly one LCA and that too was a failure due to poor quality control, training and program management ... apparently both production lines were producing jets of slightly different design (again as the engineering design hasn't even been finalized yet). Here is what you can find out on Indian's own forum regarding your beloved LCA, "...LCA-Tejas-SP-5 was first aircraft coming out of the second production line and was facing technical issues due to workmanship issues leading to suspended ground trials a few months back."

So before you come to a JF-17 thread to tout your non-operational aircraft ... here is a point to ponder.

https://twitter.com/x/status/942453231103352832

--> "Even after delivering 6 SPs by HAL, Standard of Preparation (Build to Print Documents) for #Tejas have'nt been frozen, despite IOCnod in Dec 2013. Over 270 modifications post-IOC, in the name of concurrent engg."

So yeah, first get your BLKIII capable LCA off the ground first before you boast about it.

 

[assassin123]

I read some comments by Intelligent Indians on a certain site claiming that the JF-17 can't fly low and it's unstable. Rather amused by our neighbors expertise, i queried this from a source who as always delivered with solid evidence. Wonder what do these internet warriors make of these pictures.


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@Taimoorkhan @MastanKhan @Hodor @Knuckles @HRK @TOPGUN

You could have just posted these pictures in this thread, why bring Indians into it?
Fanboys from both sides will say whatever they want.
Any fighter with fly- by-wire and autopilot will fly in a straight line at any altitude there is nothing special in this.

 

[SABRE]

I read some comments by Intelligent Indians on a certain site claiming that the JF-17 can't fly low and it's unstable. Rather amused by our neighbors expertise, i queried this from a source who as always delivered with solid evidence. Wonder what do these internet warriors make of these pictures.



@Taimoorkhan @MastanKhan @Hodor @Knuckles @HRK @TOPGUN

I have seen JF-17 in a low flight. Seemed to be doing pretty well.

As for the stability, you need to ask them what they mean by that. i.e. Do they mean aerodynamically unstable or electronically unstable? Most modern fighters are designed to be aerodynamically unstable. The first one to be designed in this way is F-16. This gives them better maneuverability. The flight stability is achieved through on-board computers along with other avionics. I doubt the Indians, especially the laymen on their forums, have any information about JF-17's electronics other than what's on the paper. Matter of fact, PAF, PAC, & CAC have never completely disclosed the information about Chinese origin avionics on JF-17 to Pakistanis either.

 

[Dazzler]

I have seen JF-17 in a low flight. Seemed to be doing pretty well.

As for the stability, you need to ask them what they mean by that. i.e. Do they mean aerodynamically unstable or electronically unstable? Most modern fighters are designed to be aerodynamically unstable. The first one to be designed in this way is F-16. This gives them better maneuverability. The flight stability is achieved through on-board computers along with other avionics. I doubt the Indians, especially the laymen on their forums, have any information about JF-17's electronics other than what's on the paper. Matter of fact, PAF, PAC, & CAC have never completely disclosed the information about Chinese origin avionics on JF-17 to Pakistanis either.

That said, there is a hint that avionics share technology from at least three sources, though there could be more:

China
Russia
Israel

Not many knew that the KJ-8602A, the original RWR set in the prototypes was an improvement over the Isareli SPS-1000 series RWR. Though the KJ-8602A was replaced by ALR-400 from the second block and retrofitted into block 1s as well, the RWR is still operational on F-7PG, P and ROSE Mirages.

 

[Ultima Thule]

1) its a Fighter and worls smallest and most compact with only after eurofighter typhoon has the largest ammount of carbon composites 45% in its body wieght & 98% in skin (for very low RCS value & mantainence+light wieght) and it also has 4 channel Dogital Fly By Wire & 90 degrees plus High Off Bore Sight Missile Lock & firring capbilty thanks to DASH3 HMDS & HUD + Python5 WVR Missile & EL-M 2032 MMR+ Derby& I Derby ER BVR combo with LITENING 3 G3 Laser Guidence POD & Griffin2&3 , Paveway 1,2&3 & Spike family of PGMs, LGBs & SDBs tested and intigrated in DAY & Night and all weather conditions again & agian and its tested for more than 3700+ flying hours without any mishap in 18 prototypes


2). ist already introducesd into IAF and first squad is commissioned and second production line s already statrted and as soon as orders for Su30 MKI are done with third production line will start aswell making (16+16+18 LCAs per year)

3). LCA is not the front line fighter for IAF its Upgraded Mig29 & Mirage2000 and Su 30 MKI and Rafale & FGFA/T57/PAKFA in future..... LCA is just a POINT defnce fighter which might not ever ever come out side indian air space in agressors role but sure it can do any role like SEAD , DEAD & presission strike or air interception if the need be and has a decent combat radius for its size and a combat paylod of 3.5 tonne


whats more it has in MK1 got all the capbalities with a SAR/MMR radar which a certain fighter wants in its BLK III version ...... just wonder what LCA going to be with MK1A format with 800KG lesser wieght and GaN AESA based fire control radar and growler type unified & minutrised EW+ECM+Internal jammaer suites based i GaN AESA TERMs and a 98Kn GE 414 engine

Make first your crap vedic out of this universe 1000000000000 gen junk jet your indigenous product and yeah yeah it's better than all 5th gen jet of the world it can fight all 5th gen jets of the world and destroy all of them
@The Eagle , @waz please clean this thread thanks

 

[Dazzler]

Good after noon Sirji

guess which nation is supplying latest HOBS enableelong avionics and GaN based AESA radar & GaN based unifief and minutrised EW+ECM+Internaljammer & RWR for Tejas MK1A and its BVR & WVR missle +LGB, PGMs & SDBs combo

ah yes it also has OBOGS+inflight refuling probe and next gen Digital 4 channel Fly by wire and 3 way LINK all controlled by a central DATABUS

@The Eagle @Jango @Jungibaaz @Oscar

Why is this troll even allowed to spread offtopic shit again and again and ruin a perfectly find thread?

 

[Windjammer]

 

[Windjammer]

JF-17 Performing for King of Jordan, over Nur Khan Base yesterday.