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'Jawaharlal, do you want Kashmir,
or do you want to give it away?'

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Sam Manekshaw, the first field marshal in the Indian army, was at the ringside of events when Independent India was being formed. Then a colonel, he was chosen to accompany V P Menon on his historic mission to Kashmir. This is his version of that journey and its aftermath, as recorded in an interview with Prem Shankar Jha.


At about 2.30 in the afternoon, General Sir Roy Bucher walked into my room and said, 'Eh, you, go and pick up your toothbrush. You are going to Srinagar with V P Menon. The flight will take off at about 4 o'clock'. I said, 'why me, sir?'

'Because we are worried about the military situation. V P Menon is going there to get the accession from the Maharaja and Mahajan.' I flew in with V P Menon in a Dakota. Wing Commander Dewan, who was then squadron leader Dewan, was also there. But his job did not have anything to with assessing the military situation. He was sent by the Air Force because it was the Air Force which was flying us in.'

Since I was in the Directorate of Military Operations, and was responsible for current operations all over India, West Frontier, the Punjab, and elsewhere, I knew what the situation in Kashmir was. I knew that the tribesmen had come in - initially only the tribesmen - supported by the Pakistanis.

Fortunately for us, and for Kashmir, they were busy raiding, raping all along. In Baramulla they killed Colonel D O T Dykes. Dykes and I were of the same seniority. We did our first year's attachment with the Royal Scots in Lahore, way back in 1934-5. Tom went to the Sikh regiment. I went to the Frontier Force regiment. We'd lost contact with each other. He'd become a lieutenant colonel. I'd become a full colonel.

Tom and his wife were holidaying in Baramulla when the tribesmen killed them.

The Maharaja's forces were 50 per cent Muslim and 50 per cent Dogra.

The Muslim elements had revolted and joined the Pakistani forces. This was the broad military situation. The tribesmen were believed to be about 7 to 9 kilometers from Srinagar. I was sent into get the precise military situation. The army knew that if we had to send soldiers, we would have to fly them in. Therefore, a few days before, we had made arrangements for aircraft and for soldiers to be ready.

But we couldn't fly them in until the state of Kashmir had acceded to India. From the political side, Sardar Patel and V P Menon had been dealing with Mahajan and the Maharaja, and the idea was that V.P Menon would get the Accession, I would bring back the military appreciation and report to the government. The troops were already at the airport, ready to be flown in. Air Chief Marshall Elmhurst was the air chief and he had made arrangements for the aircraft from civil and military sources.

Anyway, we were flown in. We went to Srinagar. We went to the palace. I have never seen such disorganisation in my life. The Maharaja was running about from one room to the other. I have never seen so much jewellery in my life --- pearl necklaces, ruby things, lying in one room; packing here, there, everywhere. There was a convoy of vehicles.

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The Maharaja was coming out of one room, and going into another saying, 'Alright, if India doesn't help, I will go and join my troops and fight (it) out'.

I couldn't restrain myself, and said, 'That will raise their morale sir'. Eventually, I also got the military situation from everybody around us, asking what the hell was happening, and discovered that the tribesmen were about seven or nine kilometres from what was then that horrible little airfield.


V P Menon was in the meantime discussing with Mahajan and the Maharaja. Eventually the Maharaja signed the accession papers and we flew back in the Dakota late at night. There were no night facilities, and the people who were helping us to fly back, to light the airfield, were Sheikh Abdullah, Kasimsahib, Sadiqsahib, Bakshi Ghulam Mohammed, D P Dhar with pine torches, and we flew back to Delhi. I can't remember the exact time. It must have been 3 o'clock or 4 o'clock in the morning.

(On arriving at Delhi) the first thing I did was to go and report to Sir Roy Bucher. He said, 'Eh, you, go and shave and clean up. There is a cabinet meeting at 9 o'clock. I will pick you up and take you there.' So I went home, shaved, dressed, etc. and Roy Bucher picked me up, and we went to the cabinet meeting.

The cabinet meeting was presided by Mountbatten. There was Jawaharlal Nehru, there was Sardar Patel, there was Sardar Baldev Singh. There were other ministers whom I did not know and did not want to know, because I had nothing to do with them. Sardar Baldev Singh I knew because he was the minister for defence, and I knew Sardar Patel, because Patel would insist that V P Menon take me with him to the various states.

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Almost every morning the Sardar would sent for V P, H M Patel and myself. While Maniben (Patel's daughter and de facto secretary) would sit cross-legged with a Parker fountain pen taking notes, Patel would say, 'V P, I want Baroda. Take him with you.' I was the bogeyman. So I got to know the Sardar very well.

At the morning meeting he handed over the (Accession) thing. Mountbatten turned around and said, ' come on Manekji (He called me Manekji instead of Manekshaw), what is the military situation?' I gave him the military situation, and told him that unless we flew in troops immediately, we would have lost Srinagar, because going by road would take days, and once the tribesmen got to the airport and Srinagar, we couldn't fly troops in. Everything was ready at the airport.

As usual Nehru talked about the United Nations, Russia, Africa, God almighty, everybody, until Sardar Patel lost his temper.:rofl: He said, 'Jawaharlal, do you want Kashmir, or do you want to give it away'. He (Nehru) said,' Of course, I want Kashmir (emphasis in original). Then he (Patel) said 'Please give your orders'. And before he could say anything Sardar Patel turned to me and said, 'You have got your orders'.

I walked out, and we started flying in troops at about 11 o'clock or 12 o'clock. I think it was the Sikh regiment under Ranjit Rai that was the first lot to be flown in. And then we continued flying troops in. That is all I know about what happened. Then all the fighting took place. I became a brigadier, and became director of military operations and also if you will see the first signal to be signed ordering the cease-fire on 1 January (1949) had been signed by Colonel Manekshaw on behalf of C-in-C India, General Sir Roy Bucher. That must be lying in the Military Operations Directorate.

Rediff On The NeT: An interview with Field Marshal Sam Manekshaw
 
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As usual Nehru talked about the United Nations, Russia, Africa, God almighty, everybody, until Sardar Patel lost his temper.:rofl: He said, 'Jawaharlal, do you want Kashmir, or do you want to give it away'. He (Nehru) said,' Of course, I want Kashmir (emphasis in original). Then he (Patel) said 'Please give your orders'. And before he could say anything Sardar Patel turned to me and said, 'You have got your orders'.

:rofl:

Nehru's leadership was a complete failure on the international front. From non-alignment, to border issues. His naivety pretty much deprived India from the support of the west and gained the enmity of China. Had the Patel more say, entire Kashmir would have been India's..
 
Manekshaw clearly states that "the Indian troops were already at the airport, ready to be flown in. Air Chief Marshall Elmhurst was the air chief and he had made arrangements for the aircraft from civil and military sources." And all this even before VP Menon flew to Sri Nagar to get the so-called accession paper signed. Those of us who know a bit about military planning and particularly how things were planned in 1940s military and air forces, would understand the amount of time needed for placing such a force and the aircraft needed to take the number of troops for such an operation.

It is indeed very very clear that this military operation was planned much in advance, irrespective of the accession paper. However, the actual Indian invasion of Indian Occupied Kashmir started much earlier than the Pathan intrusion and Pakistan Army’s involvement. It was all started by and planned in meetings between rulers of Alwar, Kapurthala and Patiala etc with Maharaja of Kashmir with complete knowledge of Indian Hindu political leaders and their supporters in the British Indian government of the time.

After the pogrom in Punjab where Muslims were killed in millions in order to ethnically cleanse the areas and change the demography, where did these marauding Hindu and Sikh hordes were sent to? Indians wouldn’t know or probably wouldn’t want to acknowledge it – these hordes were sent to Jammu to loot, rape, abduct and kill Muslims and ethically cleanse the Jammu region in the initial phase of the planned occupation of Kashmir.

As planned, in the initial instance, they intended to ethnically cleanse areas of Jammu where Muslims were in minority. Between July and October 47, over 500,000 Muslims were thrown out of their homes, out of which 200,000 thousand were killed and about 300,000 were forced to flee to Pakistan. This was the first stage of this operation. The Pathans came to safeguard the Muslims from these hordes of marauding Sikhs and fundamentalist Hindus and Pakistan Army moved in later when regular Indian Army had already invaded IOK.
 
As planned, in the initial instance, they intended to ethnically cleanse areas of Jammu where Muslims were in minority. Between July and October 47, over 500,000 Muslims were thrown out of their homes, out of which 200,000 thousand were killed and about 300,000 were forced to flee to Pakistan. This was the first stage of this operation. The Pathans came to safeguard the Muslims from these hordes of marauding Sikhs and fundamentalist Hindus and Pakistan Army moved in later when regular Indian Army had already invaded IOK.

How are Sikhs responsible for any Muslims dying in Jammu and Kashmir state? the Sikh population in that state is very low. Back then it was probably less than 50 thousand total. And in Punjab Sikhs Hindus and Muslims all suffered. No one is blameless. Muslims were ethnically cleansed but so were an equal number of Sikhs and Hindus.
 
Manekshaw clearly states that "the Indian troops were already at the airport, ready to be flown in. Air Chief Marshall Elmhurst was the air chief and he had made arrangements for the aircraft from civil and military sources." And all this even before VP Menon flew to Sri Nagar to get the so-called accession paper signed. Those of us who know a bit about military planning and particularly how things were planned in 1940s military and air forces, would understand the amount of time needed for placing such a force and the aircraft needed to take the number of troops for such an operation.

It is indeed very very clear that this military operation was planned much in advance, irrespective of the accession paper. However, the actual Indian invasion of Indian Occupied Kashmir started much earlier than the Pathan intrusion and Pakistan Army’s involvement. It was all started by and planned in meetings between rulers of Alwar, Kapurthala and Patiala etc with Maharaja of Kashmir with complete knowledge of Indian Hindu political leaders and their supporters in the British Indian government of the time.

After the pogrom in Punjab where Muslims were killed in millions in order to ethnically cleanse the areas and change the demography, where did these marauding Hindu and Sikh hordes were sent to? Indians wouldn’t know or probably wouldn’t want to acknowledge it – these hordes were sent to Jammu to loot, rape, abduct and kill Muslims and ethically cleanse the Jammu region in the initial phase of the planned occupation of Kashmir.

As planned, in the initial instance, they intended to ethnically cleanse areas of Jammu where Muslims were in minority. Between July and October 47, over 500,000 Muslims were thrown out of their homes, out of which 200,000 thousand were killed and about 300,000 were forced to flee to Pakistan. This was the first stage of this operation. The Pathans came to safeguard the Muslims from these hordes of marauding Sikhs and fundamentalist Hindus and Pakistan Army moved in later when regular Indian Army had already invaded IOK.

Is there a source for all these claims?
 
Manekshaw clearly states that "the Indian troops were already at the airport, ready to be flown in. Air Chief Marshall Elmhurst was the air chief and he had made arrangements for the aircraft from civil and military sources." And all this even before VP Menon flew to Sri Nagar to get the so-called accession paper signed. Those of us who know a bit about military planning and particularly how things were planned in 1940s military and air forces, would understand the amount of time needed for placing such a force and the aircraft needed to take the number of troops for such an operation.

It is indeed very very clear that this military operation was planned much in advance, irrespective of the accession paper. However, the actual Indian invasion of Indian Occupied Kashmir started much earlier than the Pathan intrusion and Pakistan Army’s involvement. It was all started by and planned in meetings between rulers of Alwar, Kapurthala and Patiala etc with Maharaja of Kashmir with complete knowledge of Indian Hindu political leaders and their supporters in the British Indian government of the time.

After the pogrom in Punjab where Muslims were killed in millions in order to ethnically cleanse the areas and change the demography, where did these marauding Hindu and Sikh hordes were sent to? Indians wouldn’t know or probably wouldn’t want to acknowledge it – these hordes were sent to Jammu to loot, rape, abduct and kill Muslims and ethically cleanse the Jammu region in the initial phase of the planned occupation of Kashmir.

As planned, in the initial instance, they intended to ethnically cleanse areas of Jammu where Muslims were in minority. Between July and October 47, over 500,000 Muslims were thrown out of their homes, out of which 200,000 thousand were killed and about 300,000 were forced to flee to Pakistan. This was the first stage of this operation. The Pathans came to safeguard the Muslims from these hordes of marauding Sikhs and fundamentalist Hindus and Pakistan Army moved in later when regular Indian Army had already invaded IOK.

Pulling things from thin air... do you have source for this gibberish?
 
Manekshaw clearly states that "the Indian troops were already at the airport, ready to be flown in. Air Chief Marshall Elmhurst was the air chief and he had made arrangements for the aircraft from civil and military sources." And all this even before VP Menon flew to Sri Nagar to get the so-called accession paper signed. Those of us who know a bit about military planning and particularly how things were planned in 1940s military and air forces, would understand the amount of time needed for placing such a force and the aircraft needed to take the number of troops for such an operation.

It is indeed very very clear that this military operation was planned much in advance, irrespective of the accession paper. However, the actual Indian invasion of Indian Occupied Kashmir started much earlier than the Pathan intrusion and Pakistan Army’s involvement. It was all started by and planned in meetings between rulers of Alwar, Kapurthala and Patiala etc with Maharaja of Kashmir with complete knowledge of Indian Hindu political leaders and their supporters in the British Indian government of the time.

After the pogrom in Punjab where Muslims were killed in millions in order to ethnically cleanse the areas and change the demography, where did these marauding Hindu and Sikh hordes were sent to? Indians wouldn’t know or probably wouldn’t want to acknowledge it – these hordes were sent to Jammu to loot, rape, abduct and kill Muslims and ethically cleanse the Jammu region in the initial phase of the planned occupation of Kashmir.

As planned, in the initial instance, they intended to ethnically cleanse areas of Jammu where Muslims were in minority. Between July and October 47, over 500,000 Muslims were thrown out of their homes, out of which 200,000 thousand were killed and about 300,000 were forced to flee to Pakistan. This was the first stage of this operation. The Pathans came to safeguard the Muslims from these hordes of marauding Sikhs and fundamentalist Hindus and Pakistan Army moved in later when regular Indian Army had already invaded IOK.

Its actually the other way around. Sikhs and Hindus that escaped Islamic mobs in cities like Rawalpindi Lahore Multan etc fled to Indian Punjab, Delhi Jammu and Mumbai. Most of the Hindu Sikh refugees from kpk and northern Punjab fledto Jammu after seeing untold horrors being commited on them. They did take revenge on jammu uslims in 1947 for what they had been made to go through...
 
Sikhs and Hindus who had left West Punjab with barely their lives came in hordes to Kashmir. The main reason was it was nearby(direct road from Sialkot) and Jammu was a safe haven for Hindus and Sikhs, especially because it was a Princely State (and not destined for Partition) and East Punjab was also in turmoil. It is true that they were there in Jammu. They did take some revenge on Muslims, but in retrospect it is clear that it was clearly inadequate.

The response by the Indian Army was very conventional - the fact that troops had to be flown in is testament of the fact that the Army was not entirely prepared. It is true that there were plans to bend princely states in a general contingency. But that it would be required in Kashmir in particular was not clear in the beginning. Any claim to the otherwise is absurd and falls flat.

Regarding Pakistan - it relinquished all claims to 'taking Kashmir' officially according to the Shimla Agreement 1972. That is all.
 
Manekshaw clearly states that "the Indian troops were already at the airport, ready to be flown in. Air Chief Marshall Elmhurst was the air chief and he had made arrangements for the aircraft from civil and military sources." And all this even before VP Menon flew to Sri Nagar to get the so-called accession paper signed. Those of us who know a bit about military planning and particularly how things were planned in 1940s military and air forces, would understand the amount of time needed for placing such a force and the aircraft needed to take the number of troops for such an operation.

In a military forum rudiments of military activities are expected.

Of course troops would have been kept as a part of contingency planning. This happens all the time , even now plans would exist for troops to move at short notice for things like floods, riots or for military tasks.

Had the signature not happened the troops would have been asked to stand down.

Whats new ?
 
My Grandfather ( a freedom fighter himself ) attended one rally of Nehru's in late 50's. He says that Nehru talked about NAM and foreign policy and what not for more than half of the time he spoke. That too when the audience consisted of poor farmers and porters and ricksawwalas mostly.. :lol:
He came back from the rally cursing all the way and has never voted for anyone since then..

I cant imagine the plight of the people working closely with him.. How much madness they had to endure. BTW Swapan Dasgupta has very interesting stories about Nehru .. Anyone interested can ask him and if he is in mood, will tell you...
 
My Grandfather ( a freedom fighter himself ) attended one rally of Nehru's in late 50's. He says that Nehru talked about NAM and foreign policy and what not for more than half of the time he spoke. That too when the audience consisted of poor farmers and porters and ricksawwalas mostly.. :lol:
He came back from the rally cursing all the way and has never voted for anyone since then..

I cant imagine the plight of the people working closely with him.. How much madness they had to endure. BTW Swapan Dasgupta has very interesting stories about Nehru .. Anyone interested can ask him and if he is in mood, will tell you...
@jha - Swapan Dasgupta is here?
 
:rofl:

Nehru's leadership was a complete failure on the international front. From non-alignment, to border issues. His naivety pretty much deprived India from the support of the west and gained the enmity of China. Had the Patel more say, entire Kashmir would have been India's..

Gained enemity of China? Maybe you should read Patel's letter to Nehru about China, not a friendly one. Had Patel more say, Kashmir might not be part of India, not the other way around. Patel as HM could only issue orders on Nehru's behalf, not on his own. Nehru's dithering should be understood in the context of stated policy of the INC with regard to accession of princely states. People must read more, not fall prey to their existing biases.
 
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