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Japan's economy shrank by the most in 3 years in 2Q - but don't panic



The Japanese economy suffered its biggest contraction in the three months to June since it was hit by a tsunami that triggered the Fukushima nuclear disaster.

Bad news confirming the grim evidence of a slowdown across much of the world economy under the shadow of a creaky Chinese real estate sector and an even creakier Eurozone recovery, you might think. But you wouldn’ t necessarily be right.

The government said gross domestic product, which measures the value of all the goods and services produced by an economy, fell by 1,7% in the second quarter, an annualized rate of 6.8%. But that was due overwhelmingly to a slump in consumption after a 3% increase in value-added tax at the start of April, which led Japanese households to move up planned spending to the first quarter to avoid the tax, with the result first-quarter data had, as a result, been a mirror image, rising by an annualized 6%.

As such, the two quarters largely even themselves out.The Japanese stock market actually rose by 0.3% in response to the news, because the annualized 6.8% drop was less than the 7.1% that economists had expected. The yen was virtually unchanged against the dollar at 102.29 by 0215 EDT.

Even so, the figures leave questions over whether the aggressive stimulus policies of Prime Minister Shinzo Abe–dubbed Abenomics–are still working, after a year in which they seemed to have banished the deflation blues from the world’s third-largest economy after two decades.

The government had bet on external demand for Japan’s goods keeping the economy going through a temporary tax-related dip in consumption, but the slowdown in China and the Eurozone appears to have messed up that calculation once again exposing the risks of Japan’s high dependence on other countries to drive its growth. Not only output, but new orders to Japanese industry have fallen sharply in May and June, suggesting that factories won’t be humming quite as much for some time to come. The International Monetary Fund is predicting growth of only 1.4% this year, after last year’s 1.5%.

But the authorities are refusing to panic so far. Bank of Japan Governor Haruhiko Kuroda last week said there was no need for more stimulus from monetary policy. Corporate profits have been strong, notably in the important auto sector, which has been helped by the strength of the U.S. recovery. That is likely to help bonuses, an important part of middle-class wages. And the government’s figures show three consecutive monthly improvements in consumer confidence since the tax hike, all of which suggest that consumption may be able to get back to its former growth path.

If it doesn’t, Abe can still decide not to press ahead with the second planned increase in VAT in October next year, although that would hit his efforts to bring the government’s massive budget deficit down.

Japan’s economy shrank by the most in 3 years in 2Q – but don’t panic - Fortune
 
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Honestly, this was expected. Japanese were buying like crazy due to the April tax hike. Now people are consuming less because they already bought what they need for the year.
 
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Honestly, this was expected. Japanese were buying like crazy due to the April tax hike. Now people are consuming less because they already bought what they need for the year.

Yes , indeed. And , plus, sales will be predicted to be down because this entire July - August month is the greatest vacation in Japan -- the event known as Obon is when all Japanese go back to their home towns, villages to be with family, relatives, friends.

The amount and intensity of the Japan detractors is impressive though. Came out of the woodwork.

In addition, all this hype for 1 quarter. There are 2 more quarters in the year. ;)
 
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poor Japan. there were great fears in the 70's 80's that Japan was going to overtake the U.S economically :(
they just lack the resources to continue growing where they need to be
 
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poor Japan. there were great fears in the 70's 80's that Japan was going to overtake the U.S economically :(
they just lack the resources to continue growing where they need to be

The issue with Japan is that the economy has offshore many of our manufacturing and production abroad. So , naturally, it does not reflect in statistical graphs. Japan is a service-based economy, with many of our manufacturing mostly offshored throughout Asia, and North America. Similar to the same position of the United States.
 
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Japan is growing old and not having many babies, and immigration isn't happening fast nor large enough to make up for it.
Japan along with Korea are to reliant on imports of oil and LNG.
I don't see how Japan can survivie in the long term
unless automation or some new paradigm happens in the next two decades.
 
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Japan is growing old and not having many babies, and immigration isn't happening fast nor large enough to make up for it.
Japan along with Korea are to reliant on imports of oil and LNG.
I don't see how Japan can survivie in the long term
unless automation or some new paradigm happens in the next two decades.

The dependency of natural resources is not limited only to Japan, but many other developed countries are also in this situation. For example, EU.Despite the current import trend, that does not negate the fact that Japan has a potent reserve of untapped methane hydroxate in our eastern corridor. With the development of shale extraction technologies, we will be a major producer of gas in the immediate future:

methane_hydrate_reserves_der_spiegel.jpg


japanmethmap.jpg





Now, the issue of the population growth is a reality. I admit that one of main policy shifts that Japan needs to address is in raising the immigration quota of the country. I firmly believe that Japan should emulate the United States' immigration policy of bringing in intellectuals, technocrats and innovative individuals from around the world. I am a fan of the United States' H1B Visa Policy aka "GENIUS VISA". These are possibilities that the Government needs to take into immediate consideration.

Japan , as you may know, is a nation that is not as large in terms of territory as compared to the United States of America. In fact, the country is potently crowded as it is. At 128 million people. That is roughly 12 million less than the population of the Russian Federation -- yet less than 1/20th of its size. Right?

It does not benefit Japan to maintain a population over 130 million. Maintenance of population over 100 million is a target. Perhaps maintaining the current level at around 128 level through immigration and assimilation processes. This can be done.Furthermore, it is far easier and applicable to raise the GDP per capita of a nation with a population less than 150 million.
 
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I want to be a optimists for Japan, but I feel there are limits to growth and if Japan has hit that barrier or if she can punch through.
I want to read some Herman Kahn
Emerging Japanese Superstate : Challenge and Response: Herman Kahn: 9780132746700: Amazon.com: Books
and you had this prediction in 95' Japan May Still Surpass U.s. To Become Leading Economic Power By The Year 2000 - Chicago Tribune


I am a fervent nationalist, but I am also a realist. In this regard, I am in agreement of the late Admiral. Isoroku Yamamoto, who once opined, "The Nation is not deficient of pride and nationalism, however, one must respect the Industrial and innovative capabilities of the Americans."

It was, unfortunately, the greatest catastrophe on Japan's part to have foolishly underestimated the American Will and American Resolution.

They have been the Greatest Adversary of the Japanese Empire. Not the Soviets, not the Chinese, not the English, Dutch, French. No, it was the United States' industrial, tactical, and strategic visage that humbled the Great Japanese Empire.
 
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Yes, we have 1.4 billion people, do you know how difficult it is to become a hign income nation? How about triple this number in 10 years? Your GDP per capital is not eligible to be shown on this chart.


That is what I am saying. GDP of 10 time large country is usually higher than small country. India can not take pride by having GDP more than shrilanka. It can take pride only if our per capita income increase compare to other country. Some Chinese are foolishly taking pride in having GDP more than Japan.
 
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That is what I am saying. GDP of 10 time large country is usually higher than small country. India can not take pride by having GDP more than shrilanka. It can take pride only if our per capita income increase compare to other country. Some Chinese are foolishly taking pride in having GDP more than Japan.

If we don't surpass them in total number, how can we surpass them by per capital?
 
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The dependency of natural resources is not limited only to Japan, but many other developed countries are also in this situation. For example, EU.Despite the current import trend, that does not negate the fact that Japan has a potent reserve of untapped methane hydroxate in our eastern corridor. With the development of shale extraction technologies, we will be a major producer of gas in the immediate future:

methane_hydrate_reserves_der_spiegel.jpg


japanmethmap.jpg





Now, the issue of the population growth is a reality. I admit that one of main policy shifts that Japan needs to address is in raising the immigration quota of the country. I firmly believe that Japan should emulate the United States' immigration policy of bringing in intellectuals, technocrats and innovative individuals from around the world. I am a fan of the United States' H1B Visa Policy aka "GENIUS VISA". These are possibilities that the Government needs to take into immediate consideration.

Japan , as you may know, is a nation that is not as large in terms of territory as compared to the United States of America. In fact, the country is potently crowded as it is. At 128 million people. That is roughly 12 million less than the population of the Russian Federation -- yet less than 1/20th of its size. Right?

It does not benefit Japan to maintain a population over 130 million. Maintenance of population over 100 million is a target. Perhaps maintaining the current level at around 128 level through immigration and assimilation processes. This can be done.Furthermore, it is far easier and applicable to raise the GDP per capita of a nation with a population less than 150 million.

well if Japan and the world can harvest Methane Hydrates and Shale gas that might give us a reprieve from a energy crisis, but is it economically viable to harvest methane hydrates?

and I agree Japan needs to keep it's population around 100 million to 150million, as the long population pyrmaid isn't full of people over 60.

Population Pyramid of Japan in 2050
 
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That is what I am saying. GDP of 10 time large country is usually higher than small country. India can not take pride by having GDP more than shrilanka. It can take pride only if our per capita income increase compare to other country. Some Chinese are foolishly taking pride in having GDP more than Japan.

Precisely. Yes, Japan's GDP stands at $5 Trillion, whereas China's stands at $9 Trillion.

However, Japan's population is 128 Million. Whereas China's is at 1.35 Billion.

How is it that a nation that is less than 1/10th the population than China's , has a GDP that is half of Chinas? Should not China's GDP be 10 times that of Japan's? lol

Japan's GDP Per Capita stands at roughly around $39,000. Whereas China's is around $7,000.

So, i beg to infer that some Chinese members or international members, to see things in a proportionate-quantitative vantage point.

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If we don't surpass them in total number, how can we surpass them by per capital?


You are right but surpassing a very small country in total umber is not a big achievement and not a matter of much pride. I simply want to tell you that.
 
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