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I didn't call it as "China being the aggressor". I said they initiated a total war that they were not ready for. For the sake of saving the run away Chinese communists. It was losing (as expected since they were not ready) in that war that makes it easy to pass what happened as an invasion initiated by the Japanese. So the the cause of all the Chinese suffering you guys keep hammering about was partly sown by that very Chinese initiation. That doesn't mean Japanese remorse about that war has no place. But the Chinese did walk into it. If they waited until the Nationalists were better prepared and more developed, then the same objective of getting Manchuria or reducing Japanese rights in Shanghai coykd have been achieved, possibly bloodlessly even due to natural change in power. But that woukd grant the Nationalists even greater credibility over the run away communists now wouldn't it. So such a conclusion is not acceptable for the Pro-CCP posters.

Try getting off the Black-and-White-only state of mind.
Japan had overwhelming advantages in almost all aspects to China back then. China's territory size and population were bigger than Japan for sure. But in 1937 Japan empire was Japan+Korea+Taiwan+Manchuria combined. China looks big but it was a separated country and most of its population were illiterated. So China was not even in dominant position in territory size and human resources.

It was only Japan that could decide when and where to start a war. It was only Japan that could decide the war scale. If Japan didn't want to wage the war, the war would simply not happen. The war broke out simply because many Japanese(not all) wanted to start a war with China. All the "Chinese attacked first" are just pretexts.
 
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Japan had overwhelming advantages in almost all aspects to China back then. China's territory size and population was bigger than Japan for sure. But in 1937 Japan empire was Japan+Korea+Taiwan+Manchuria combined. China looks big but it was a separated country and most of its population were illiterated. So China was not even in dominant position in territory size and population.

It was only Japan that could decide when and where to start a war with China. It was only Japan that could decide the war scale. If Japan didn't want wage the war, the war would simply not happen. The war broke out simply because many Japanese(not all) wanted to start a war with China. All the "Chinese attacked first" are just pretexts.

His absurd story just stinks of another cooked up fairytale by right wing Japanese nutcases.

China was in absolute chaos, it didn't even have the ability to fight a war with Japan let alone plan one. The Battle at Marco Polo Bridge was a Gulf of Tonkin incident used by Japan as a pretext and any logical person can look at the facts and understand that, unless you are a raving right wing Japanese lunatic.
 
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I didn't call it as "China being the aggressor". I said they initiated a total war that they were not ready for. For the sake of saving the run away Chinese communists. It was losing (as expected since they were not ready) in that war that makes it easy to pass what happened as an invasion initiated by the Japanese. So the the cause of all the Chinese suffering you guys keep hammering about was partly sown by that very Chinese initiation. That doesn't mean Japanese remorse about that war has no place. But the Chinese did walk into it. If they waited until the Nationalists were better prepared and more developed, then the same objective of getting Manchuria or reducing Japanese rights in Shanghai coykd have been achieved, possibly bloodlessly even due to natural change in power. But that woukd grant the Nationalists even greater credibility over the run away communists now wouldn't it. So such a conclusion is not acceptable for the Pro-CCP posters.

Try getting off the Black-and-White-only state of mind.
The KMT and CCP ceased fire in 1936. It doesn't mean China was planning a war to Japan. It is only because there was no sign that Japan would stop eating China's territory. In 1931, Japan ocuppied Manchuria. In 1933, Japan occupied Rehe province and all lands outside Shanhai Pass. In 1935, Japan asked big part of North China(Hebei province, Shanxi province, Chahaer province, Suiyuan province, Shandong province) to be semi independent from China. Obviously Japan wanted North China to become second Manchuria.

It was not because China was hurried to war with Japan. It was because Japan didn't give more time to China.
 
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The Chinese initiated the second Sino-Japanese war before they were ready.

The Nationalists were modernizing their forces with German assistance while at the same time hunting down the communists. The communists got a lucky break with the kidnapping of Chiang Kai-shek at the Xi'an incident in which he was pressured into stopping his hunt on the communists and to form a 2nd united front. This was not to just fight against Japanese. It was also to save the communists. So the Chinese get trigger jumpy and shoot first at the Marco Polo bridge. Then a few weeks later, they move into Shanghai and attack the Japanese settlement with aim of overrunning the Japanese garraison within a week. Talks to calm things down fail. However as stated, the Chinese were not ready for the large scale war that they got themselves in. Japanese make a counter attack, achieve victory in all of Shanghai, and make a fast press towards Nanking with the aim of capturing the then capital of the Nationalists would convince them to accept terms to end the fighting. Very lenient terms were issued to the Nationalists to surrender before the assualt on Nanking. The Chinese refuse. Chiang orders the Chinese defending Nanking to fight to the bitter end dispite the bad strategic geographical situation Nanking was in for defending. The assualt begins, defenses crumble, Chinese commander and a few others make an escape at the very end. Other remaining Chinese soldiers don't surrender but scattered into the population. Japanese put Nanking in 6 week lockdown and massacre fighting age young men. Rape and pillaging also occur. Japanese renew order to its troops to not do that to get local Chinese cooperation. Wang Jingwei joins the Japanese as leader of new Chinese government in formation, coming into full official existance by 1940.

The Japanese "aggressive invasion" is labeled as such because the Chinese were not ready for a total war but they initiated it anyway because the Chinese communists existence needed that change in orientation by the Nationalists for its own survival. Had the Chinese been ready, then there wouldn't have been a Japanese deep penetration and occupation of much of the central China mainland area. That invasion was not initiated by the Japanese. The idea that the Japanese just blitz China like Germany did to Poland is incorrect. To continue the story.. a few years later but in the similar dynamic, the Nationalists needed US involvement to be saved and the US decided to put the survival of the Nationalists central to its Asia policy by March 1941. The Nationalists were tempoarily saved at the expense of granting the US much greater position of influence in the Asia region. But to the US bewelderment, the Nationalists still lost to the Chinese communists as the communists got much needed time for replensihment and big gains as the Soviet Union gave Manchuria to the communists.
check when was second Sino-Japanese war I wanted to correct you several times seems you never learn can't stand this idiot any more.
1st Sino-Japan war 663 AD
2nd Sino-Japan war 1281 AD
3rd Sino-Japan war 1592-1593 1597-1598 AD
4th Sino-Japan war 1895 AD
5th Sino-Japan WWII 1945 AD
 
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The KMT and CCP ceased fire in 1936. It doesn't mean China was planning a war to Japan. It is only because there was no sigh that Japan would stop eating China's territory. In 1931, Japan ocuppied Manchuria. In 1933, Japan occupied Rehe province and all lands outside Shanhai Pass. In 1935, Japan asked big part of North China(Hebei province, Shanxi province, Chahaer province, Suiyuan province, Shandong province) to be semi independent from China. Obviously Japan wanted North China to become second Manchuria.

It was not because China was to hurried to war with Japan. It was because Japan didn't give more time to China.
You seem to know history quite well, much better than most of compatriots.
 
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China is japan's largest trading partner, China doesn't have to go to war with japan, China can economically strangle japan & financially ruin japan. this new prime minister would be wise to keep China happy while not getting manipulated by amreeka into becoming its cannon fodder, japan wouldn't last a week.
 
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So you saying China will nuke Japan in near future?

China will not be the first to launch nuclear weapons.
But once the nuclear war begins, we can confirm that the Japanese will disappear from the earth. We will certainly prepare enough nuclear bombs for the Japanese.
 
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Japan Tojo said Asia for Asians, and and then raped half of Asia.

Japs did kick Europeans out of Asia for once, but...
It's easy to inflict accusations ; mao killed 100 million ! easy isn't it?
 
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As usually, I'll have to leave it to the readers.

Thank you for yet another discussion that makes me confident in my conclusions.
Anata wa nihonjin desu ka? Just curious
 
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Japan had overwhelming advantages in almost all aspects to China back then. China's territory size and population was bigger than Japan for sure. But in 1937 Japan empire was Japan+Korea+Taiwan+Manchuria combined. China looks big but it was a separated country and most of its population were illiterated. So China was not even in dominant position in territory size and population.

It was only Japan that could decide when and where to start a war. It was only Japan that could decide the war scale. If Japan didn't want to wage the war, the war would simply not happen. The war broke out simply because many Japanese(not all) wanted to start a war with China. All the "Chinese attacked first" are just pretexts.

Japan also have lots of interest free loans to China

also Toyota gave many vehicles to China which China copied

State Bank of Japan has funded many large infrastructure projects in China and Asia
 
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Anata wa nihonjin desu ka? Just curious

Amerikajin desu ga, ima made 10 nenkan kurai nihon ni sundeimasu.
アメリカ人ですが、今まで10年間くらい日本に住んでいます。
 
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Japan also have lots of interest free loans to China

also Toyota gave many vehicles to China which China copied

State Bank of Japan has funded many large infrastructure projects in China and Asia
When you talked about Japanese loans, you just didn't say "debt trap" any more. Most of Japanese loans were low interest instead of interest free. And most important of all, most of those loans should be used to buy Japanese products or for Japanese investments in China. Before Japanese companies entered China, China had clearly told them it is China's "market exchanges technologies" policy. Of course all technologies Japanese companies transferred to China were outdated.
 
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