Japanese Warships Train with U.S. Carrier in South China Sea

[Suika]

Yeah, Japanese and Americans not doing for free. ASEAN prefers diplomacy, US just wants to provoke ASEAN so they can get in. Middle East already fallen into their trick. Look where they are now.

Of course ASEAN wants to have a good relation with China like it would want with the US, Japan, Australia, among each other and so on. But there has been growing concerns about China assertiveness in the South China Sea, which is why US and Japanese forces are seen more of balancing China. It's true that they would prefer diplomacy. But diplomacy is only as strong as the amount of political will, economic strength, and military strength that is behind it. As of now, ASEAN countries lack the economic and military strength to increase their diplomatic position. That is why US and Japanese force presence has largely been welcomed. I don't think the countries of ASEAN want too much US and Japanese presence but just enough to balance China. So in other words, the harder China presses their claim on the South China Sea, the more and more US and Japanese presence will increase. Once ASEAN economic strength is greater, and thus are able to increase the strength of their respective militaries, then they would need US or Japanese force presence less and less. But of course China will remain very big, so even if ASEAN develops their economic and military capabilities, they will still probably want the presence of the US and Japan militaries. So in effect, the only way for the for the US and Japan to reduce their presence is for China to withdrawn their South China Sea claim and create spheres of control in it. But as everyone knows, China is stubborn, thus a false hope. Thus consequently, the US and Japanese forces are here to stay.

Consider that Duterte visited JS Izumo in 2017 when it docked at the Philippines.

And then, just a couple of days ago, Duterte visited JS Kaga as it has visited the Philippines.

 

[powastick]

Of course ASEAN wants to have a good relation with China like it would want with the US, Japan, Australia, among each other and so on. But there has been growing concerns about China assertiveness in the South China Sea, which is why US and Japanese forces are seen more of balancing China. It's true that they would prefer diplomacy. But diplomacy is only as strong as the amount of political will, economic strength, and military strength that is behind it. As of now, ASEAN countries lack the economic and military strength to increase their diplomatic position. That is why US and Japanese force presence has largely been welcomed. I don't think the countries of ASEAN want too much US and Japanese presence but just enough to balance China. So in other words, the harder China presses their claim on the South China Sea, the more and more US and Japanese presence will increase. Once ASEAN economic strength is greater, and thus are able to increase the strength of their respective militaries, then they would need US or Japanese force presence less and less. But of course China will remain very big, so even if ASEAN develops their economic and military capabilities, they will still probably want the presence of the US and Japan militaries. So in effect, the only way for the for the US and Japan to reduce their presence is for China to withdrawn their South China Sea claim and create spheres of control in it. But as everyone knows, China is stubborn, thus a false hope. Thus consequently, the US and Japanese forces are here to stay.

Consider that Duterte visited JS Izumo in 2017 when it docked at the Philippines.

And then, just a couple of days ago, Duterte visited JS Kaga as it has visited the Philippines.

No, we don't buy it. Like Mahathir said, you guys are trying to portray others as bad guys so that you can pretend to be the good guy. If there is a problem, US will make it worse so they can flex their muscle. Vulgar people only fix problem with Military.

 

[gambit]

Vulgar people only fix problem with Military.

You just described China, buddy...

 

[powastick]

You just described China, buddy...

Nope, China militarize after repeated provocation from the US. Our government not that naive. US is a warmonger, but hey look at China. LMAO.

 

[hiseen]

Nihon Kaigun still controlling the senkakus, which is thousand of km away from Japan's mainland.....china stronk

As a dog owner, food must be provided~

 

[Jlaw]

Nope, China militarize after repeated provocation from the US. Our government not that naive. US is a warmonger, but hey look at China. LMAO.

PDF professionals are dumb as
as **** without copy n pasting.
****.

 

[Suika]

No, we don't buy it. Like Mahathir said, you guys are trying to portray others as bad guys so that you can pretend to be the good guy. If there is a problem, US will make it worse so they can flex their muscle. Vulgar people only fix problem with Military.

Malaysia seems to be taking a non-alignment policy. But even non-alignment still includes some defense relation development with Japan, to do as I said before, balance China, which doesn't match the way you post, which is pro-China. Of course that is your view but don't put your view as the terms of the entire country. Sure, suspicion of US activity is fair enough. Its a very big and powerful country. But let's not make pretend that China's 9 dash line is legitimate. Malaysia's interest (water territory and water resource rights) in the South China Sea match fairly well with Japan (free trade that passes through to Japan, thus not subject to China's discretion). No need to concede the interests of both countries to the 9 dash line claim. China knew it was attracting a lot of concerns when they started making those artificial islands, so the growing involvement of the US and Japanese navies is reactionary.

Might be worth considering that Malaysia has inked a defense technology transfer with Japan.
https://www.thestar.com.my/opinion/...ce-priorities-in-need-of-mat-sabus-attention/

And that the JMSDF and Malaysia Navy seem to have a good relation, with JMSDF ships making visits every year.
https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/...trengthen-ties-dinner-onboard-akizuki-warship

 

[gambit]

Nope, China militarize after repeated provocation from the US. Our government not that naive. US is a warmonger, but hey look at China. LMAO.

Claiming the entirety of the SCS is two-folds: political and military.

The man in post 16 correctly pointed out: 'But diplomacy is only as strong as the amount of political will, economic strength, and military strength that is behind it.'

China gauged her political will, economic strength, and military capability to come to the conclusion that she can bully ASEAN. China is the provocateur here. ASEAN governments are not that naive.

 

[powastick]

Malaysia seems to be taking a non-alignment policy. But even non-alignment still includes some defense relation development with Japan, to do as I said before, balance China, which doesn't match the way you post, which is pro-China. Of course that is your view but don't put your view as the terms of the entire country. Sure, suspicion of US activity is fair enough. Its a very big and powerful country. But let's not make pretend that China's 9 dash line is legitimate. Malaysia's interest (water territory and water resource rights) in the South China Sea match fairly well with Japan (free trade that passes through to Japan, thus not subject to China's discretion). No need to concede the interests of both countries to the 9 dash line claim. China knew it was attracting a lot of concerns when they started making those artificial islands, so the growing involvement of the US and Japanese navies is reactionary.

Might be worth considering that Malaysia has inked a defense technology transfer with Japan.
https://www.thestar.com.my/opinion/...ce-priorities-in-need-of-mat-sabus-attention/

And that the JMSDF and Malaysia Navy seem to have a good relation, with JMSDF ships making visits every year.
https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/...trengthen-ties-dinner-onboard-akizuki-warship

Japan and US are not respecting ASEAN just like EU, and US disrespecting African Union. Dragging the entire region to war protecting your own interest. Sure Malaysia is non-alignment, but it doesn't meant we need Japan and US "protection". Your ships being here, made it impossible for China to withdraw theirs. FYI, Malaysia also reclaim SCS island. Military relations got nothing to do with Malaysia stance on SCS. How to be non-align when US and Japan is trying to force the region to contain China? Mahathir have strong respect towards Japan, I'm not to sure about it after this.

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/asean-calls-for-non-militarisation-of-south-china-sea

China gauged her political will, economic strength, and military capability to come to the conclusion that she can bully ASEAN. China is the provocateur here. ASEAN governments are not that naive.

No, US government portrays ASEAN as naive.

 

[Suika]

Japan and US are not respecting ASEAN just like EU, and US disrespecting African Union. Dragging the entire region to war protecting your own interest. Sure Malaysia is non-alignment, but it doesn't meant we need Japan and US "protection". Your ships being here, made it impossible for China to withdraw theirs. FYI, Malaysia also reclaim SCS island. Military relations got nothing to do with Malaysia stance on SCS. How to be non-align when US and Japan is trying to force the region to contain China? Mahathir have strong respect towards Japan, I'm not to sure about it after this.

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/asean-calls-for-non-militarisation-of-south-china-sea

If you are going to say "FYI, Malaysia also reclaim SCS island", then surely you also know that the air strip that Malaysia made on Swallow Reef is only about 1,300 meters long. That's a lot shorter than the three 3,000 meter long runways that China made. You must also surely know that Malaysia's air force is no where near capable of dominating the sea around that man-made island, thus threatens no one. Who exactly is afraid of Malaysia's Air Force? And you must also know that Swallow Reef is still within Malaysia's EEZ. All seven of China's man-made island bases in the South China Sea are beyond China's EEZ. And not only that, one of those 7 that China made is within an EEZ, not China's but the Philippines EEZ. Furthermore, it is not one of the smaller ones, but a big one with a 3,000 meter runway. China built a giant Air Force base within the EEZ of the Philippines. So then you say "Your ships being here, made it impossible for China to withdraw theirs". FYI, these are not ships, they are military bases. You thought that China might someday gracefully withdraw their artificial islands but now those islands have to stay because of the US and Japan navies now?

Your Pro-China in the SCS is all but crystal clear with such heavy biased thinking. I'm not to sure you can speak for Malaysia's interests.



Thread needs pictures. USS Ronald Reagan, JS Kaga, and their accompanying destroyers conducted joint-training in the South China Sea on August 31st.

https://www.navy.mil/view_image.asp?id=266936
http://www.mod.go.jp/msdf/release/201808/20180831-02.pdf

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10155538196082021

 

[Viet]

If you are going to say "FYI, Malaysia also reclaim SCS island", then surely you also know that the air strip that Malaysia made on Swallow Reef is only about 1,300 meters long. That's a lot shorter than the three 3,000 meter long runways that China made. You must also surely know that Malaysia's air force is no where near capable of dominating the sea around that man-made island, thus threatens no one. Who exactly is afraid of Malaysia's Air Force? And you must also know that Swallow Reef is still within Malaysia's EEZ. All seven of China's man-made island bases in the South China Sea are beyond China's EEZ. And not only that, one of those 7 that China made is within an EEZ, not China's but the Philippines EEZ. Furthermore, it is not one of the smaller ones, but a big one with a 3,000 meter runway. China built a giant Air Force base within the EEZ of the Philippines. So then you say "Your ships being here, made it impossible for China to withdraw theirs". FYI, these are not ships, they are military bases. You thought that China might someday gracefully withdraw their artificial islands but now those islands have to stay because of the US and Japan navies now?

Your Pro-China in the SCS is all but crystal clear with such heavy biased thinking. I'm not to sure you can speak for Malaysia's interests.



Thread needs pictures. USS Ronald Reagan, JS Kaga, and their accompanying destroyers conducted joint-training in the South China Sea on August 31st.

https://www.navy.mil/view_image.asp?id=266936
http://www.mod.go.jp/msdf/release/201808/20180831-02.pdf

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10155538196082021

Wow what beautiful pictures.SC Sea is international waters. Japan as a big dog has the rights to cruise up and down as she pleases, not caring much of noices of other dogs

 

[gambit]

No, US government portrays ASEAN as naive.

Really? For decades, including the yrs of the Cold War, of which you are too young to know about, the US have kept the SCS free of political controls. ASEAN knows who will be the true guarantor of oceanic freedom on this planet and it ain't the Chinese, pal.

 

[powastick]

If you are going to say "FYI, Malaysia also reclaim SCS island", then surely you also know that the air strip that Malaysia made on Swallow Reef is only about 1,300 meters long. That's a lot shorter than the three 3,000 meter long runways that China made. You must also surely know that Malaysia's air force is no where near capable of dominating the sea around that man-made island, thus threatens no one. Who exactly is afraid of Malaysia's Air Force? And you must also know that Swallow Reef is still within Malaysia's EEZ. All seven of China's man-made island bases in the South China Sea are beyond China's EEZ. And not only that, one of those 7 that China made is within an EEZ, not China's but the Philippines EEZ. Furthermore, it is not one of the smaller ones, but a big one with a 3,000 meter runway. China built a giant Air Force base within the EEZ of the Philippines. So then you say "Your ships being here, made it impossible for China to withdraw theirs". FYI, these are not ships, they are military bases. You thought that China might someday gracefully withdraw their artificial islands but now those islands have to stay because of the US and Japan navies now?

Your Pro-China in the SCS is all but crystal clear with such heavy biased thinking. I'm not to sure you can speak for Malaysia's interests.



Thread needs pictures. USS Ronald Reagan, JS Kaga, and their accompanying destroyers conducted joint-training in the South China Sea on August 31st.

https://www.navy.mil/view_image.asp?id=266936
http://www.mod.go.jp/msdf/release/201808/20180831-02.pdf

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10155538196082021

Your interference is for your selfish reason. What ASEAN is for when it cannot solve its own problem? Those militarization escalated when US started sending ships. Those ships being there are sending the wrong message. US escalating the situation is not welcomed. Pro-Malaysia doesn't meant I conform to Malaysian public views which often effected by propaganda. US narrate the situation with the mass media is effecting your biased view.

Really? For decades, including the yrs of the Cold War, of which you are too young to know about, the US have kept the SCS free of political controls. ASEAN knows who will be the true guarantor of oceanic freedom on this planet and it ain't the Chinese, pal.

Oh yes, like how you involved in the murder/genocide and plundering wealth from other countries? Is more like US trying to control the world. Pretending to do good while you rob other people. Stop exporting conflicts.

 

[Suika]

Your interference is for your selfish reason. What ASEAN is for when it cannot solve its own problem? Those militarization escalated when US started sending ships. Those ships being there are sending the wrong message. US escalating the situation is not welcomed. Pro-Malaysia doesn't meant I conform to Malaysian public views which often effected by propaganda. US narrate the situation with the mass media is effecting your biased view.

It's simple..

Pack up and abandon Fiery Cross Reef, Mischief Reef, and Subi Reef, then no more USN+JMSDF cruising together in SCS.

But of course, because you support the 9 dash line and those bases on those three reefs, you won't acknowledge that point.

Some more pictures.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1972701009458274

 

[hoangsa74]

It's simple..

Pack up and abandon Fiery Cross Reef, Mischief Reef, and Subi Reef, then no more USN+JMSDF cruising together in SCS.

But of course, because you support the 9 dash line and those bases on those three reefs, you won't acknowledge that point.

Some more pictures.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1972701009458274

I already said this the chinese have to be evicted out of BOTH the paracels and spartlys. If they r still controlling these two archipelagos they will use them as a base to launch their ships n planes to harass their neighbors for now n international ships in the future.