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Sept. 25 (Xinhua) -- Japan's unilateral move of the so-called "purchase" of the Diaoyu Islands, which are Chinese territories, two weeks ago has taken its toll on bilateral economic and trade ties, experts said on Tuesday.

Chinese people intending on traveling to Japan have been bogged down. Heavyweight travel agencies, including China International Travel Service Limited, China Comfort Travel and China CYTS Tours Holding Co., Ltd., have halted travel business to Japan.

As far as Chinese travel to Japan is concerned, the impact of Diaoyu Islands rift could go as deep as the 2011 Fukushima earthquake, said a manager from the Marketing Department of the China CYTS, who preferred to be anonymous.

More Chinese organizations and groups canceled their travel plans to Japan in a bid to show strong protests and firm opposition to Tokyo's rash move of "purchase", media reports said.

Flights between China and Japan have been hampered in terms of flights being cut and delays of new routes opening. All Nippon Airways Co., Ltd. and Japan Airlines Co., Ltd. canceled up to 23,000 seats on routes to China during the last few weeks.

Chinese airlines, including Air China, China Hainan Airlines and China Southern, have either canceled or cut flights to Japan in September and October. China Eastern Airlines and Juneyao Airlines postponed plans to open new routes to Japanese Sendai and Okinawa separately.

Moreover, Japanese automakers, including Tokyo, Honda and Nissan, shut down several factories in China under the pressure of Chinese demonstrations over the "purchase."

Insiders expect the automakers' losses to hit at least 250 million U.S. dollars, adding that September sales of Japanese auto products in China, the largest auto market in the world, could decline 50 percent month on month.

Japanese electronic appliance makers also felt the chill from Chinese consumers' spontaneous boycott of Japanese products. Sales revenue of Japanese home appliance makers slumped sharply, retailers in Beijing said.

Chinese Vice Minister of Commerce (MOC) Jiang Zengwei said on Sept. 13 that the so-called "purchase" would inevitably have a negative impact on China-Japan economic and trade ties.

Commerce Ministry spokesman Shen Danyang told a press conference on Sept. 19 that Japan should take full responsibility for the damage of economic and trade relations between the two countries caused by Japan's "nationalization" of the Diaoyu Islands.

In 2011, Sino-Japanese trade volume totaled over 340 billion U.S. dollars. China has been Japan's largest trade partner since 2007 while Japan is China's fourth largest trade partner, after the EU, U.S. and the ASEAN. China is the biggest destination for Japanese exports and biggest source of its imports.

Meanwhile, China's imports account for 23.7 percent of Japanese exports volume. Bilateral trade volume last year took up 21 percent of Japanese gross trade volume for the year, while it merely accounts for 9.4 percent of China's annual gross trade volume.

"China will lose less than Japan if economic and trade wars have to be our choice ultimately," said Mei Xinyu, a researcher at the International Trade and Economic Cooperation Institution under China's Ministry of Commerce.

The Chinese market is hard to replace for Japan, whose economy has been witnessing sluggish growth for years, said Mei, adding that if major fluctuations happened on Sino-Japanese trade relations, the shock waves would be felt strongly worldwide.

(Wait till China fully stops exporting rare earth materials to Japan)
 
This is all BS from Chinese side, Japan is planning to replace China with emerging markets like vietnam. You cannot bully with trade as your weapon.
 
Get real, as far as Japan's concern no one country can replace China and in fact ASEAN plus South Asian nations combined can't replace China in terms of trading volume and markets of her products.

If both countries terminate their business dealings with each other it'll hurt China, but for Japan it's fatal.
 
We can ease the pain a bit and welcome all Japanese investments in Vietnam. Red carpets are laid out.
 
Their economy is already a ultra developed one . For a tiny Island to have an economy of 4 trillion $ is absolutely amazing :woot:
 
Their economy is already a ultra developed one . For a tiny Island to have an economy of 4 trillion $ is absolutely amazing :woot:


Absolute amazing alright, but without Uncle Sam's unlimited supports of finances and technologies plus an open largest market in the world that kind of achievement seems unlikely. But the most important elements for Japan to get where she is:

1) While this side of Asia was fighting some kind of wars or insurgencies in the mid 20th Century, the lands of Japan was relative safe because of geographical isolation and under Uncle's protections, and

2) The luck of two war, namely the Korean War and the Vietnam War, benefited Japan enormously for war supplies and RR for troops.

A small nation with a relative small population has its limits and those limits began to show two decades ago. If the relationship with China doesn't go well in the immediate future it'll be detrimental for Japan as a wealthy nation.
 
Indians such as himself doesn't know what's real and fails to show up with facts. If he really thinks that Philippines or Vietnam can replace China be my guest, clearly some Japanese politicians think the opposite otherwise they wouldn't be sending an official over to Beijing trying to repair the damage. He can only say it's bullsh!t that's all. And as for Viet who thinks Vietnam or Philippines can ease the pain show us same figures. Is the amount of consumers in Philippines and Vietnam larger than China? How many can afford expensive Japanese cars? How much will it cost for Japanese companies relocating their factories? How much money will their tourism industry lose? The Fukushima disaster and the after effect is still very painful for their economy. Japan is located on a sh!t position with 3-4 tectonic plates underneath, strong earthquakes is not a rare phenomenon over there which will result in millions of dollars of damage each time a huge one occurs. Japan is an export country and losing their biggest importer will be a huge blow to them because their domestic consumption including Vietnam and Philippines is still below China. EU crisis is not only affecting China but also Japan and the way EU is handling it the crisis is gonna last for a while. It's a joke to think by relocating factories to VN or Philippines it can replace China's consumption?
 
Indians such as himself doesn't know what's real and fails to show up with facts. If he really thinks that Philippines or Vietnam can replace China be my guest, clearly some Japanese politicians think the opposite otherwise they wouldn't be sending an official over to Beijing trying to repair the damage. He can only say it's bullsh!t that's all. And as for Viet who thinks Vietnam or Philippines can ease the pain show us same figures. Is the amount of consumers in Philippines and Vietnam larger than China? How many can afford expensive Japanese cars? How much will it cost for Japanese companies relocating their factories? How much money will their tourism industry lose? The Fukushima disaster and the after effect is still very painful for their economy. Japan is located on a sh!t position with 3-4 tectonic plates underneath, strong earthquakes is not a rare phenomenon over there which will result in millions of dollars of damage each time a huge one occurs. Japan is an export country and losing their biggest importer will be a huge blow to them because their domestic consumption including Vietnam and Philippines is still below China. EU crisis is not only affecting China but also Japan and the way EU is handling it the crisis is gonna last for a while. It's a joke to think by relocating factories to VN or Philippines it can replace China's consumption?

It definitely will affect Japan - losing a billion plus consumer base is no joke. China too will be affected - Japan has a major share in electronic goods and Japan uses China as a manufacturing hub, it will affect both sides. Japan will have to revive it's traditional markets i.e. west and also need to look for newer markets to maintain their figures.
 
It definitely will affect Japan - losing a billion plus consumer base is no joke. China too will be affected - Japan has a major share in electronic goods and Japan uses China as a manufacturing hub, it will affect both sides. Japan will have to revive it's traditional markets i.e. west and also need to look for newer markets to maintain their figures.

It's not just losing the gigantic consumer, China can stop delivering very important raw materials which is very important for their technology sector. Many gadgets depending on these materials and since 2010 China has reduced the number of export to Japan. We all know China is gonna be affected as well that's why we aren't bluffing, who has the most to loose? If Taiwan decides to follow China's example and loads of overseas Chinese decide to join with the boycott how does that sound? The situation in EU is not looking good so if Japan is gonna depend on EU for replacing China then think again. With unemployment rate rising in EU i don't think that's helping Japan. It's gonna hurt China but it's gonna be a mega blow for Japan. There are plenty of alternatives for replacing Japanese products, want cars? German, British, Italian, Chinese cars to choose from.
Want other gadgets? There are Taiwanese, Chinese and Korean or EU brands to choose from. China's growth has been affected because of EU crisis and what makes you think Japan can sell more products to the West? Japan faces tough competition from US, Korean, Taiwanese tech companies.
 
Imagine if Americans were supported and pushed by it's govt, like the Chinese govt did- to go attack Chinese business and Chinese embassies in the US. Flaming anti china sentiments like china did on Japan entities and people in it's country - would mean they would lose billions in trade with the US. This was a low point for China. This was govt supported thuggery!
 
Imagine if Americans were supported and pushed by it's govt, like the Chinese govt did- to go attack Chinese business and Chinese embassies in the US. They would lose billions in trade with the US. This was a low point for China.
yea, also imagine all the world and Martian, Zentraedi people do this
 
No need to imagine, you just tell the American government to do what you suggested and we will be seeing if they are gonna follow your advice. Otherwise piss off if you have nothing extra to add on this discussion. Come with numbers and facts and everyone here will take you serious.
 
No need to imagine, you just tell the American government to do what you suggested and we will be seeing if they are gonna follow your advice. Otherwise piss off if you have nothing extra to add on this discussion. Come with numbers and facts and everyone here will take you serious.

You have a comprehension problem, not surprisingly. Read again what I posted. It was not a call for the american govt to do it. it was example of stark difference in how Chinese govt promoted thuggery on Japanese business and embassy.
 
The size of Japanese economy is too large, would be a loss for both countries.
 
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