Japanese-American admiral named next Pacific Command chief

[AgentOrange]

US can learn from Japanese, how Japan kick the US *** during WW2.

Japan kicked American *** during WW2? Is that what Japanese forces taught your collaborationist grandparents during their occupation of Taiwan? Right up until the day they inexplicably surrendered to those same Americans whose asses they claimed they were kicking?

You're becoming more and more deranged with each post. I don't know if it's just your limited english skills but with the inclusion of profanity in your posts, I'm going to assume that you're unhinged and divorced from reality. Please seek psychiatric help.

 

[Aepsilons]

Japan kicked American *** during WW2? Is that what Japanese forces taught your collaborationist grandparents during their occupation of Taiwan? Right up until the day they inexplicably surrendered to those same Americans whose asses they claimed they were kicking?

You're becoming more and more deranged with each post. I don't know if it's just your limited english skills but with the inclusion of profanity in your posts, I'm going to assume that you're unhinged and divorced from reality. Please seek psychiatric help.

In a meta-analytic point of view, it was the Imperial Japanese Navy that brought on the greatest naval threat to the United States. Tho the war ended against our favor, the great scope of operations throughout the Western, and Northern Pacific was impressive. It was the dangerous dance between the Imperial Navy and the US Navy that realized the modern concept of carrier warfare ; as seen in the Battle of Midway, Battle of the Solomon Islands, Battle of Rabaul, Battle of Guadalcanal, Battle of Leyte Gulf, et al.

It was the Imperial Navy's aerial assault on Pearl Harbor that brought to light the concept of a carrier battle group and the importance of the carrier air wing. The United States' also showed this during their marvelous tactics in the Battle of Midway.

 

[AgentOrange]

In a meta-analytic point of view, it was the Imperial Japanese Navy that brought on the greatest naval threat to the United States. Tho the war ended against our favor, the great scope of operations throughout the Western, and Northern Pacific was impressive. It was the dangerous dance between the Imperial Navy and the US Navy that realized the modern concept of carrier warfare ; as seen in the Battle of Midway, Battle of the Solomon Islands, Battle of Rabaul, Battle of Guadalcanal, Battle of Leyte Gulf, et al.

It was the Imperial Navy's aerial assault on Pearl Harbor that brought to light the concept of a carrier battle group and the importance of the carrier air wing. The United States' also showed this during their marvelous tactics in the Battle of Midway.

Imperial Japan was indeed a dangerous foe for America but realistically speaking, Japan never threatened America's existence or survival in any way, shape, or form. Ignoring the claims of "asskicking" by our deranged friend, even Japan's victories and offensives were ultimately defensive from a strategic point of view, IMO. Japan was trying to delay or blunt America's impact and perhaps force more favorable negotiation terms while the US was hellbent on Japan's complete capitulation and would brook no other alternative to Japanese subjugation.

 

[Aepsilons]

Imperial Japan was indeed a dangerous foe for America but realistically speaking, Japan never threatened America's existence or survival in any way, shape, or form. Ignoring the claims of "asskicking" by our deranged friend, even Japan's victories and offensives were ultimately defensive from a strategic point of view, IMO. Japan was trying to delay or blunt America's impact and perhaps force more favorable negotiation terms. On the other hand, the US was hellbent on subjugating Japan.

I'm not going to argue that what we did in WWII was right because from an ethical perspective, the catalyst for our expansionism in the China Theater and also in our Ten Goh Principle was morally wrong.

Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor was aimed to knock out the US Pacific Fleet , in fact, to annihilate it from the face of the map. This would allow the Imperial Navy time to take out the US forces in the Philippines, and the Dutch forces in the East Indies. The problem came about when the Imperial Navy's carrier air wing failed to take out the fuel tanks during the air raid; and in addition to this, the prime objective was the USS Lexington. Incidentally, the USS Lexington was not in Pearl Harbor during the attack; and this would cost the Imperial Navy as it was used as the platform to launch devastating air attack on the Hiryu, Soryu, Kaga and Akagi during the Battle of Midway.

In the end, we underestimated the resolve of the Americans to end the war. We also underestimated the industrial capacity of the Americans, something that Admiral Yamamoto had voiced out vociferously in the Imperial Naval Command as well as in the Imperial Privy Council when he was appointed as Admiral of the Combined Fleet, and told of the plan to war with the United States.

He predicted it with his quote, "In the first six to twelve months of a war with the United States and Great Britain I will run wild and win victory upon victory. But then, if the war continues after that, I have no expectation of success."

I cannot emphasize enough of the power and capability of the United States' Navy.

 

[AgentOrange]

I'm not going to argue that what we did in WWII was right because from an ethical perspective, the catalyst for our expansionism in the China Theater and also in our Ten Goh Principle was morally wrong.

Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor was aimed to knock out the US Pacific Fleet , in fact, to annihilate it from the face of the map. This would allow the Imperial Navy time to take out the US forces in the Philippines, and the Dutch forces in the East Indies. The problem came about when the Imperial Navy's carrier air wing failed to take out the fuel tanks during the air raid; and in addition to this, the prime objective was the USS Lexington. Incidentally, the USS Lexington was not in Pearl Harbor during the attack; and this would cost the Imperial Navy as it was used as the platform to launch devastating air attack on the Hiryu, Soryu, Kaga and Akagi during the Battle of Midway.

In the end, we underestimated the resolve of the Americans to end the war. We also underestimated the industrial capacity of the Americans, something that Admiral Yamamoto had voiced out vociferously in the Imperial Naval Command as well as in the Imperial Privy Council when he was appointed as Admiral of the Combined Fleet, and told of the plan to war with the United States.

He predicted it with his quote, "In the first six to twelve months of a war with the United States and Great Britain I will run wild and win victory upon victory. But then, if the war continues after that, I have no expectation of success."

I cannot emphasize enough of the power and capability of the United States' Navy.

I basically agree with what you're saying. I'm curious - in your opinion, had the IJN been successful in taking out the fuel tanks and the Lexington along with any other carriers that were originally projected to still be moored at Pearl, what would the Japanese end game have been? Would the extra year or so be enough time for Japan to fortify/consolidate her gains enough to render any subsequent American counter attack completely futile? Or was Pearl Harbor thought to be the endgame in and of itself?

 

[Aepsilons]

I basically agree with what you're saying. I'm curious - in your opinion, had the IJN been successful in taking out the fuel tanks and the Lexington along with any other carriers that were originally projected to still be moored at Pearl, what would the Japanese end game have been? Would the extra year or so be enough time for Japan to fortify/consolidate her gains enough to render any subsequent American counter attack completely futile? Or was Pearl Harbor thought to be the endgame in and of itself?

What if the attack on Pearl Harbor successfully took out the fuel tanks, and any other carriers , capital ships? This would have definitely helped the Imperial Japanese Navy's progress in securing the sea lanes on its recently acquired territories in South East Asia. There were additional plans to knock out the Panama canal. At the instigation of Admiral Yamamoto, a series of giant class I-400 submarines were ordered, each able to carry 3 special-duty aircraft. These 5,223-ton submarines, with a range of 37,500 nautical miles, were twice as large as th largest vessels in the US Navy and could remain at sea for 4 months without added fueling. A catapult stretched from the spacious cylinder-shaped hangar in the starboard hold, forward to the bow. These I-400 were planned to decisively take out the Panama canal and knock out American naval threat for the mean time.

This would have allowed the Japanese Empire to harvest the oil in the Dutch East Indies, the raw materials in Malaya and the Philippines that would have helped Japan continue its war industry. Remember that the end goal was the conquest of China.
In my opinion, a surprise attack on Pearl Harbor was not enough. Japan should have occupied Hawaii. This could have allowed Japan to bolster its defenses to counter any American naval offensives.

But in the end, the Imperial Navy was fighting an uphill battle. It would be a matter of time until America's industrial capacity, and naval capabilities -- would have eventually turned the tide. There was no way Japan was going to defeat America , unless it was to invade the United States.

The greatest error of the Japanese Empire was its decision to invade China proper. This is what put us at odds with our American partners. That and Japan's decision to sign the Tripartite Pact with Germany and Italy. Poor decision making on the Military Government at the time.

 

[FNFAL]

Admire?hodgepodge? what are you talking about, as a "Nihonjin"?
You don't realized he was a kid born to US Occupation Troops and a (forced maybe) Japanese woman? Considering his age it must be those hard years of post WWII. Hundreds of thousands of women had been forced to serve these military beasts.

Post reported for a cheap shot /personal attack.

 

[AgentOrange]

What if the attack on Pearl Harbor successfully took out the fuel tanks, and any other carriers , capital ships? This would have definitely helped the Imperial Japanese Navy's progress in securing the sea lanes on its recently acquired territories in South East Asia. There were additional plans to knock out the Panama canal. At the instigation of Admiral Yamamoto, a series of giant class I-400 submarines were ordered, each able to carry 3 special-duty aircraft. These 5,223-ton submarines, with a range of 37,500 nautical miles, were twice as large as th largest vessels in the US Navy and could remain at sea for 4 months without added fueling. A catapult stretched from the spacious cylinder-shaped hangar in the starboard hold, forward to the bow. These I-400 were planned to decisively take out the Panama canal and knock out American naval threat for the mean time.

This would have allowed the Japanese Empire to harvest the oil in the Dutch East Indies, the raw materials in Malaya and the Philippines that would have helped Japan continue its war industry. Remember that the end goal was the conquest of China.
In my opinion, a surprise attack on Pearl Harbor was not enough. Japan should have occupied Hawaii. This could have allowed Japan to bolster its defenses to counter any American naval offensives.

But in the end, the Imperial Navy was fighting an uphill battle. It would be a matter of time until America's industrial capacity, and naval capabilities -- would have eventually turned the tide. There was no way Japan was going to defeat America , unless it was to invade the United States.

The greatest error of the Japanese Empire was its decision to invade China proper. This is what put us at odds with our American partners. That and Japan's decision to sign the Tripartite Pact with Germany and Italy. Poor decision making on the Military Government at the time.

Did Japan have the sealift capabilities to take Hawaii? Also, how would they have kept their troops supplied? It's a huge distance and my understanding is that even the Pearl Harbor strike force consumed a ton of resources and the IJN/IJA command never considered an invasion of Hawaii as feasible.

 

[Aepsilons]

Did Japan have the sealift capabilities to take Hawaii? Also, how would they have kept their troops supplied? It's a huge distance and my understanding is that even the Pearl Harbor strike force consumed a ton of resources and the IJN/IJA command never considered an invasion of Hawaii as feasible.

Hawaii is a small chain of islands with a very small population. Hypothetically speaking, if the Imperial Japanese Navy's Combined Fleet were to have launched the air assault, and then a naval invasion, it would have been possible. Remember that Japan was able to invade the PHilippines in 1942 , which had a large American naval force, and over 80,000 American soldiers defending the islands. At the same time we were able to conquer Singapore , which boasted over 110,000 British soldiers and and an 'impregnable' defense guns.

Hawaii, compared to these was minor. At most, the American military base in Hawaii had very little defenses in terms of land defense. Taking Hawaii would have prevented the catastrophe in Midway from happening.

It's a huge distance and my understanding is that even the Pearl Harbor strike force consumed a ton of resources

One has to example the cost / benefits relationship. The cost of taking the islands would have been minimal compared to the benefits. Taking the islands would have permanently knocked out the Pacific Fleet, delaying the American counter-offensive for quite some time. On the mean time, the Imperial Navy would have secured the sea lanes in newly conquered Pacific. The merchant marine force would have tapped into the resources (oil, gas, metals, etc) of the newly conquered Dutch East Indies, Malaya, Thailand, Burma, Vietnam, Philippines, China.

Remember that the overall plan was to secure resources to fuel the complete conquest of China. Hypothetically speaking when China was conquered, the Military Command aimed to mobilize the entire Chinese colony to fuel the Japanese War Machine. Chinese men would have been conscripted to join the ranks of the Imperial Navy, Imperial Army. As what happened for Korean and Taiwanese conscripts that served in all branches of the Imperial Armed Forces.

These "what if" scenarios are interesting, aren't they? lol

 

[LeveragedBuyout]

Hawaii is a small chain of islands with a very small population. Hypothetically speaking, if the Imperial Japanese Navy's Combined Fleet were to have launched the air assault, and then a naval invasion, it would have been possible. Remember that Japan was able to invade the PHilippines in 1942 , which had a large American naval force, and over 80,000 American soldiers defending the islands. At the same time we were able to conquer Singapore , which boasted over 110,000 British soldiers and and an 'impregnable' defense guns.

Hawaii, compared to these was minor. At most, the American military base in Hawaii had very little defenses in terms of land defense. Taking Hawaii would have prevented the catastrophe in Midway from happening.



One has to example the cost / benefits relationship. The cost of taking the islands would have been minimal compared to the benefits. Taking the islands would have permanently knocked out the Pacific Fleet, delaying the American counter-offensive for quite some time. On the mean time, the Imperial Navy would have secured the sea lanes in newly conquered Pacific. The merchant marine force would have tapped into the resources (oil, gas, metals, etc) of the newly conquered Dutch East Indies, Malaya, Thailand, Burma, Vietnam, Philippines, China.

Remember that the overall plan was to secure resources to fuel the complete conquest of China. Hypothetically speaking when China was conquered, the Military Command aimed to mobilize the entire Chinese colony to fuel the Japanese War Machine. Chinese men would have been conscripted to join the ranks of the Imperial Navy, Imperial Army. As what happened for Korean and Taiwanese conscripts that served in all branches of the Imperial Armed Forces.

These "what if" scenarios are interesting, aren't they? lol

Do you believe that the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor would still have been possible had Japan conspicuously assembled the force necessary to occupy Hawaii?

 

[Aepsilons]

Do you believe that the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor would still have been possible had Japan conspicuously assembled the force necessary to occupy Hawaii?

An invasion of Hawaii would have taken much needed resources to invade and occupy the Philippines, Malaya-Singapore, and the Dutch East Indies.

Had Japan invaded Hawaii, it would have been, eventually, retaken by the United States. Our adventurism in the Aleutian chains explains this. In June of 1942, the Imperial Navy and Imperial Army had invaded and occupied two major islands in the American Aleutians known as Attu Island and Kiska Island with an entire Army Division. The islands were controlled.

However, the United States eventually launched Operation Cottage to retake the island. It was an overwhelming military response;the United States had mobilized a force of over 140,000 soldiers to retake the islands.

If we examine the Aleutian Campaign, we can see that it was inevitable that the United States would have eventually retaken Hawaii had we invaded and occupied it in '41-'42. In fact, the problem with the military strategem of Japan was that the Government of Tojo was convinced that a short snap war with the United States was possible. They had utilized the past war with Russia as basis for this conclusion. They were completely and utterly wrong.

The gross underestimation of the American will power and industrial might would come as a rude awakening. To be honest, how America defeated Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany at the same time on completely two different theaters of operation is a miracle of Providence.

 

[sicsheep]

Admiral Katsutoshi Kawani , Commander of the JMSDF Combined Fleet and Admiral Harry Harris, Commander of the US Pacific Command. Talking in Pearl Harbor, Hawaii.

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LOL HE FLEW P3

 

[AgentOrange]

An invasion of Hawaii would have taken much needed resources to invade and occupy the Philippines, Malaya-Singapore, and the Dutch East Indies.

Had Japan invaded Hawaii, it would have been, eventually, retaken by the United States. Our adventurism in the Aleutian chains explains this. In June of 1942, the Imperial Navy and Imperial Army had invaded and occupied two major islands in the American Aleutians known as Attu Island and Kiska Island with an entire Army Division. The islands were controlled.

However, the United States eventually launched Operation Cottage to retake the island. It was an overwhelming military response;the United States had mobilized a force of over 140,000 soldiers to retake the islands.

If we examine the Aleutian Campaign, we can see that it was inevitable that the United States would have eventually retaken Hawaii had we invaded and occupied it in '41-'42. In fact, the problem with the military strategem of Japan was that the Government of Tojo was convinced that a short snap war with the United States was possible. They had utilized the past war with Russia as basis for this conclusion. They were completely and utterly wrong.

The gross underestimation of the American will power and industrial might would come as a rude awakening. To be honest, how America defeated Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany at the same time on completely two different theaters of operation is a miracle of Providence.

If by miracle of Providence you mean America's favorable geographic location and help from the Soviet Union. The US never had to fear or face the devastation wrought to the heartlands of the other major combatants during the war. As for the USSR, 4 out 5 German deaths during WW2 was on the eastern front. For Germany, the western front was a sideshow.