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[Audio]

You guys are lagging far behind, the coverage of the Europe is still not done yet.

And to make global coverage in mere 5 years is just a wild dream.

I agree progress could be faster. 2020 is very realistic for full operational capability. Important note is that Galileo is civilian funded.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I agree progress could be faster. 2020 is very realistic for full operational capability.

To achieve the global coverage is a gigantic project. Just look at China, the Asia-Pacific coverage was done since 2012, yet we can just start it by next year and finish it by 2020.

Consider the efficiency of the EU, and you have to say sorry, you guys are running out of time with the 2020 schedule.

LOL we outpaced Galileo

We never consider Galileo as our competitor.

We are always aiming at GPS.

 

[Keel]

Moon landing: USA, Russia (USSR), China
Spacewalk: USA, Russia (USSR), China
Satellite Navigation system in operation: GPS (USA), GLONASS (Russia), Beidou (China)
Asteroid landing: ESA, Japan
Mars mission - orbiting success: USA, Russia (USSR), India
Space rendezvous and docking of 2 or more spacecraft: ISS, China
Living in space: USA, USSR (Russia), ISS, China
Successful returning to / landing on Earth from space: USA, Russia, China
Space telescope: USA
The farthermost space objects flying in deep space: USA

USA is still by far the most successful in terms of space exploration.

 

[Audio]

To achieve the global coverage is a gigantic project. Just look at China, the Asia-Pacific coverage was done since 2012, yet we can just start it by next year and finish it by 2020.

Consider the efficiency of the EU, and you have to say sorry, you guys are running out of time with the 2020 schedule.

In early 2013, the first position fix using only Galileo satellites was achieved.
The significance of the first FOC launch is that it would trigger an aggressive launch schedule comprised of one launch every three months, at two satellites per launch — equaling eight satellites launched per year. With four test satellites already in orbit being converted to operational satellites, one can envision 16 Galileo satellites in orbit by the end of next year. While not a complete constellation at that point, it would offer plenty of upside — worldwide I might add, as I’ve written about in the past — by adding more satellites in view and accelerating the adoption of the new L5 signal, which is also supported by GPS.

All Eyes on Galileo : GPS World

Can i help with your Chinese hubris in any other way?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Moon landing: USA, Russia (USSR), China
Spacewalk: USA, Russia (USSR), China
Satellite Navigation system in operation: GPS (USA), GLONASS (Russia), Beidou (China)
Asteroid landing: ESA, Japan
Mars mission - orbiting success: USA, Russia (USSR), India
Space rendezvous and docking of 2 or more spacecraft: ISS, China
Living in space: USA, USSR (Russia), ISS, China
Successful returning to / landing on Earth from space: USA, Russia, China
Space telescope: USA
The furthest space objects flying in deep space: USA

USA is still by far the most successful in terms of space exploration.

Yep, they are by far the most successful space nation by the historical records.

But right now they have temporarily lost their manned flight capability and are relying on the Russian manned spacecraft and the Russian rocket engine.

Since the US is now facing the tightening budget, and it will be a pretty big challenge for them to recover the past glory.

 

[Keel]

Yep, they are by far the most successful space nation by the historical records.

But right now they have temporarily lost their manned flight capability and are relying on the Russian manned spacecraft and the Russian rocket engine.

Since the US is now facing the tightening budget, and it will be a pretty big challenge for them to recover the past glory.

Well Tiger, credit when due
I hope all the fanboys with different flags can treat us likewise.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

All Eyes on Galileo : GPS World

Can i help with your Chinese hubris in any other way?

Again, you haven't achieved the regional coverage with Galileo, so the comparison with China is useless.

The global coverage requires even the much more complicated design. And look at us, we have finished the regional coverage by 2012, and from 2012-2015, we are trying to fulfill the more complicated design for the Beidou's global coverage.

As for Galileo, you have to first finish your regional coverage.

 

[Audio]

Again, you haven't achieved the regional coverage with Galileo, so the comparison with China is useless.

I am not making this comparison, you and your fellow countrymen are. ESA isn't interested in regional coverage, global is what counts.

The global coverage requires even much more complicated. And look at us, we have finished the regional coverage by 2012, and from 2012-2015, we are trying to fulfil the more complicated design for the Beidou's global coverage.

As for the Galileo, you have to first finish your regional coverage.

Mate, you said, it can't be done until 2020, i quoted you article which says global coverage might be done at the end of 2015, we can add a year or two for complacency, or how you put it (quite aptly, sadly), EU efficiency and that still brings us to 2018/19.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I am not making this comparison, you and your fellow countrymen are. ESA isn't interested in regional coverage, global is what counts.

But the regional coverage is the required foundation for the global coverage.

When you haven't finished to learn how to walk, you wanna learn how to run immediately?

 

[Audio]

When you haven't finished to learn how to walk, you wanna learn how to run immediately?

Yes. We could talk about how we already know how to walk, and have had initial satellites in orbit doing tests since the early 2000's.

As we are not coming anywhere with this and are rudely hijacking Japanese asteroid chaser thread, i will take my leave with this. Open new thread about Galileo or Beidou if you wish to debate this further.

 

[mike2000]

China does what we do since the 60th. I fid it annoying that China only copy old technology. Why build a primitive small space station that is smaller than the old Mir? Why only a lame moon rover that only worked a few days?

NASA has rovers on Mars. Our very own ESA has a probe on a comet and on Titan. What China does is a waste of rescources. You should join us in deep space exploration.

Look at Orion. That spaceship will bring us to Mars. NASA builds the crew module. We europeans construct the service module and propulsion. Imagine China would follow us. We could achive all so much more.

Join us so we could all walk here:

Thats sunset at Mt. Sharp:

Don´t reinvent the wheel. Start to join us in progress.

While i agree with your point brov, i must say you seem not to be following news or something.lool Dont you know the U.S has bared any country from cooperating with China in space and even launching any satelites with U.S made parts. The hell, the U.S even prohibits any Chinese citizen from loitering around(much less entering) NASA labs/facilities. However though it might seem excessive/paranoid(which i think it is), i must say i understand why the U.S acts this way though, since it wont of course want to help its nearest/closest upcoming rival in any way. So its to maintain supremacy/leadership while restraining any upcoming potential rival these coming decades. Nothing wrong in that though. Each country is free to make its own policies it thinks best suites its interests. In this case i understand the U.S. Though i would have rather we all cooperate to explore space(just like you mentione/wished), since we have soooo much to gain by joining our resources/manpower , However i know reality/politics is different and that wont ever happen to be honest. So we can all just keep 'wishing' unfortunately.

 

[MarkusS]

Moon landing: USA, Russia (USSR), China
Spacewalk: USA, Russia (USSR), China
Satellite Navigation system in operation: GPS (USA), GLONASS (Russia), Beidou (China)
Asteroid landing: ESA, Japan
Mars mission - orbiting success: USA, Russia (USSR), India
Space rendezvous and docking of 2 or more spacecraft: ISS, China
Living in space: USA, USSR (Russia), ISS, China
Successful returning to / landing on Earth from space: USA, Russia, China
Space telescope: USA
The furthest space objects flying in deep space: USA

USA is still by far the most successful in terms of space exploration.

your list is wrong

space walk was also done many times from ESA astronauts. Just few weeks ago from Alexander Gerst from germany
Mars Orbiter: why you forgot our Mars Orbiter that is in orbit since 10 years and why you dont mention our venus orbiter Venus Express who also orbits yvenus since 10 years and is the only orbiter in venus orbit?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

While i agree with your point brov, i must say you seem not to be following news or something.lool Dont you know the U.S has bared any country from cooperating with China in space and even launching any satelites with U.S made parts. The hell, the U.S even prohibits any Chinese citizen from loitering around(much less entering) NASA labs/facilities. However though it might seem excessive/paranoid(which i think it is), i must say i understand why the U.S acts this way though, since it wont of course want to help its nearest/closest upcoming rival in any way. So its to maintain supremacy/leadership while restraining any upcoming potential rival these coming decades. Nothing wrong in that though. Each country is free to make its own policies it thinks best suites its interests. In this case i understand the U.S. Though i would have rather we all cooperate to explore space(just like you mentione/wished), since we have soooo much to gain by joining our resources/manpower , However i know reality/politics is different and that wont ever happen to be honest. So we can all just keep 'wishing' unfortunately.

The US is the big boss of the western world, so they are making sure that they won't use its grip over the control on those junior partners.

All the critical technologies of the western world remaining firmly controlled by the US, and only some could be shared with its biological father the UK.

 

[Keel]

your list is wrong

space walk was also done many times from ESA astronauts. Just few weeks ago from Alexander Gerst from germany
Mars Orbiter: why you forgot our Mars Orbiter that is in orbit since 10 years and why you dont mention our venus orbiter Venus Express who also orbits yvenus since 10 years and is the only orbiter in venus orbit?

first the space walk is from ISS so it is not a solo effort by ESA
second Is your Mars orbiter successful?
third: for venus orbiting, please give your quote and also another quote for your Mars orbitting please

So even true, each has its own merits for China and ESA. Dont cry like a schoolboy slamming China for not giving you a candy.

 

[MarkusS]

first the space walk is from ISS so it is not a solo effort by ESA
second Is your Mars orbiter successful?
third: for venus orbiting, please give your quote and also another quote for your Mars orbitting please

So even true, each has its own merits for China and ESA. Dont cry like a schoolboy slamming China for not giving you a candy.

of course our mars orbiter is sucessful. Its since ten years in orbit and still working.

1. Our Mars Orbiter

Mars Express

Mars Express - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2. Venus Express

Venus Express - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

3. We are the only space agency ever to have a spacecraft orbiting a comet. I guess you need no link for that. Rosetta is considered the most spectacluar spacecraft right now.