Japan seeks foreign engines for stealth fighter prototypes

[chinapakistan]

I think only Indians believe that India is ahead of Japan in engine integraiton technology and test process experience. Do you have any sources on this or you just bend over and pull one out? The reason that Japan wouldn't want to partner with India is because overall, Japan is way ahead of India in engine technology. Maybe India has some niche components that Japan can copy. But that is about it. Trust me, the Japanese are very very good at copying.

What is engine integration technology? What is the difference between be good at engine integration technology and be good engine techonology?

 

[chinapakistan]

If the Japanese are so good at copying they could have just copied the existing engines that are on their fighters and build an air frame around it...seems like you are really bend over on making India look bad...And you ask about sources,please make sure you do what you preach i.e Post you source as to how you arrived at the conclusion that Japan is ahead in Engine integration test process and blah blah

Dont underestimate japanese, they are very suprior in techonology and mass production, just give them 3years, they can make a army comparing to russia and china, this is why US always keep them under their controll.

 

[faithfulguy]

If the Japanese are so good at copying they could have just copied the existing engines that are on their fighters and build an air frame around it...seems like you are really bend over on making India look bad...And you ask about sources,please make sure you do what you preach i.e Post you source as to how you arrived at the conclusion that Japan is ahead in Engine integration test process and blah blah

I do not have to bend over my back to make India look bad. If India looks bad, its bad on its own merit. Also, you are the one who start talking about how advance India tech is vs Japan. Have you have no shame?

 

[faithfulguy]

Dont underestimate japanese, they are very suprior in techonology and mass production, just give them 3years, they can make a army comparing to russia and china, this is why US always keep them under their controll.

Well, the fact that Japan want to look at something developed in India, even though its something that was started many years back but India cannot finish, is a big ego booster for many fanboys here. I guess this is the new pennicle of the Indian defence industry.

 

[Honor]

Japan seeking Indian tech!!!!!

NO way...... Joke of the day for me!

 

[Luftwaffe]

ptldM3..clever of you but failed attempt..Never under estimate you opponent does not mean russia will come up with exactly systems like F-22/F-35 years away by that time F-22/F-35 would have gone with upgrades and Japanese wouldn't be interested in unproven systems though never the less until not tried can't be called failed at the same time but as a clever person that you are I am going to ask you you'll take a proven system or unproven that'll be inducted say in 2016-2018 vs F-35...so before replying to cheer you're self up and you're endians re-read and properly comprehend other's post..
never under estimate your opponent you betcha but vs us technologies perhaps after 10+ years in case of russia, YF-23 even today is much advance project combined with F-35 technologies and systems the project can be completed even much faster than before pak-fa is inducted. Realistically russians will come up with a good stealth fighter to compete in the market with cheap price tag but vs F-35s tech superiority close close enough if in miraculous in next couple of years where would be F-35 standing in next 6-8 years when pak-fa first plane might roll out way ahead you know that, i know that..party over for you and you're thanking buddies..

shooting down satellites is huge achievement ask defense specialists I am sure they'll give you in depth analysis that was an immature question..by the way it was to a comment made by an elite member making fun so i compared satellites to iraq dream WMD how it sounds..don't get hurt if i said it'll fk russians because its the reality japs would prefer proven technologies..

 

[ptldM3]

Of course US cannot underestimate its opponent. But does US have real opponents? Russia and China, though not allies, are not opponents. US has friendly relationship with both countries.

But when it comes to technology, do you really believe that overall, Russian technology can complete with the US technology?
Just wondeing, how many people here believe that this is true?

I thought we were talking about Japan, but to answer your question, yes i do think Russia can compete with the US, and not only Russia but many other counties.

Russia is competitive in many feilds with the US. For insance, Russian SAMS, IRST, and Rocket engines are considered atleast as good or better, if you don't beleive me the US uses Russian rocket engines.

Russians were also inavators in many feild; for instance, the Mig-31 came with the world's first PESA, and the first data link to automatically prioritize and assess the most dangerous targets, of course many say Russians don't have much experience in data links...go figure.

Russians were also the first to launch a satelite, the first to have HMS, first to have 3d TVC, and the first to have a supersonic vstol, infact the technology from the vstol (yak-141) found its way into the F-35, via Lockheeds close cooperation with Yak and the assistance of Russian engineers. There is more firsts but that's enough to get the idea.

There are many coutries that are able to compete with the US in terms of technology. If we look at tanks, for instance, the Leopard and Merkava can compete with the Abrams, the Typhoon can compete with all legacy US fighters and even Swedish submarines can compete with US submarines. To prove this the US leased a Swedish submarine, that submarine was able to evade US subs and sink US carriers in simulated exercises.

I may sound link a fanboy, but i'm not, the US does lead Russia in many feilds such as UAV's and stealth.

ptldM3..clever of you but failed attempt..Never under estimate you opponent does not mean russia will come up with exactly systems like F-22/F-35 years away by that time F-22/F-35 would have gone with upgrades and Japanese wouldn't be interested in unproven systems though never the less until not tried can't be called failed at the same time but as a clever person that you are I am going to ask you you'll take a proven system or unproven that'll be inducted say in 2016-2018 vs F-35...so before replying to cheer you're self up and you're endians re-read and properly comprehend other's post..
never under estimate your opponent you betcha but vs us technologies perhaps after 10+ years in case of russia, YF-23 even today is much advance project combined with F-35 technologies and systems the project can be completed even much faster than before pak-fa is inducted. Realistically russians will come up with a good stealth fighter to compete in the market with cheap price tag but vs F-35s tech superiority close close enough if in miraculous in next couple of years where would be F-35 standing in next 6-8 years when pak-fa first plane might roll out way ahead you know that, i know that..party over for you and you're thanking buddies..

shooting down satellites is huge achievement ask defense specialists I am sure they'll give you in depth analysis that was an immature question..by the way it was to a comment made by an elite member making fun so i compared satellites to iraq dream WMD how it sounds..don't get hurt if i said it'll fk russians because its the reality japs would prefer proven technologies..

I don't understand why you're talking about the Japanese choosing the F-35 over Pak-fa, how does you bashing Russian aviation turn into Japan choosing Y over X? also you're miss using the word "you're", the word you're is a contraction for, you-are.

You also miss understood what i meant by shooting down "space junk" shooting down a satelite is valuable. However, that's not what i was refering to, you made it seem like shooting down a satelite or anything in orbit, for that matter, is extremely difficult, and although it isn't easy it also isn't too difficult, the US and Russia, fo instance, shot down objects in the earths orbit some 40 years ago.

 

[Chanakyaa]

I think there can be a consortium like israel+india+japan and may be Some initial input from Mig via project 1.44 they want to revive.

it may seem to be a fanboy dream but its possible just like EF2000.

 

[below_freezing]

funny thing is, the US will never allow japan to do so.

japan is also already shamed of its current low level of military power, with their best plane the same F-15's as the US gave them 30 years ago. but even 30 year old F-15's are superior to every plane in india except Su-30 MKI.

 

[mrwarrior006]

^^^^u forgot mirage and mig 29

 

[Prowler]

I do not have to bend over my back to make India look bad. If India looks bad, its bad on its own merit. Also, you are the one who start talking about how advance India tech is vs Japan. Have you have no shame?

This is purely based on assumption nothing based on real facts...you are hell bend on getting you 50 cents nothing more...and we never said how advance India is over the Japanese or vice versa it's you who is trying to do that by comparing India and Japan.Have you no shame? (That's how you are supposed to say it!)

 

[below_freezing]

^^^^u forgot mirage and mig 29

F-15's from USAF in 1991 completely destroyed iraqi mig-29s and mirages, so i don't think those planes can really talk about beating F-15.

 

[CONNAN]

F-15's from USAF in 1991 completely destroyed iraqi mig-29s and mirages, so i don't think those planes can really talk about beating F-15.

the mirages which are destroyed are mirage F1s and the mig 29 are with basic radars and no bvr capability not last but least the poor training for iraqi pilots under saddams regime

source 1
Operation Desert Storm
source 2
Operation Desert Storm

indian and russian mig 29s are far superior compared to any other mig 29s existed .

 

[Luftwaffe]

ptldM3...and i don't understand after i have explained that the satellite comment was to a mr. elite trying to take asians as fun where-as Iraq WMD sounded more stupid. am i clear?
It is not bashing it is simply to choose a tested tried well inducted Fighter and its systems against something that is completely new..F-35 is all in production process it might take atleast 8 years for russians to fully operationalize pak-fa or perhaps 10 years by that time F-35 would be fairly matured when it comes to technologies, if not Realistically Japanese are more looking towards americans for the technologies and planes like F-22/F-35...you shouldn't be in denial.
thankyou professor ptldm3 but i'll still use you're now dance me a thousand times..

 

[ptldM3]

ptldM3...and i don't understand after i have explained that the satellite comment was to a mr. elite trying to take asians as fun where-as Iraq WMD sounded more stupid. am i clear?
It is not bashing it is simply to choose a tested tried well inducted Fighter and its systems against something that is completely new..F-35 is all in production process it might take atleast 8 years for russians to fully operationalize pak-fa or perhaps 10 years by that time F-35 would be fairly matured when it comes to technologies, if not Realistically Japanese are more looking towards americans for the technologies and planes like F-22/F-35...you shouldn't be in denial.thankyou professor ptldm3 but i'll still use you're now dance me a thousand times..

I never argued for or against this idea and you never brought up the idea until i responded to your post about the Russians getting "fk up", i find it a little strange that when i confronted you about the Russians getting "fk" you changed the subject to Japan choosing proven technology. If this was your point from the begining you sure didn't do a good job of conveying it by saying russians will get fk'd if the US sells Japan the YF-23 blue-prints.