Japan PM candidate Takaichi backs doubling defense budget to 2% GDP [ $100B Defense Budget]

[Suika]

American Propaganda. American real contribution of WWII is not as big as you guys boasts every day. American saved nobody. It was just eager to take Japan and England interests in Asia.
Japan economy had collapsed due to the war in China. More than half of Japanese factories turn into weapons production. They don't creat any added values to the nation. Their food were sent to China to feed army. Their people were hungry all day. Japanese people revolution was just a thing sooner or later if America didn't stole the victory. China could defeat Japan without any an American.

Too eager to put that as also part of American propaganda. Japan left the League of Nations because of opposition from the major powers like GB. And the US granted recognition to the SU as a response to Japan setting up the puppet state and never gave recognition as such. That put a divide between Japan and the other major powers. That division lead to a further widening of the gap as the Second Sino-Japanese war started in the middle of 1937. GB set up the Burma supply road and the US started sending lines of credit to the Nationalists Chinese in 1938. And later by 1943, the air lift of supplies over the Himalaya mountains was getting into gear. Despite all that aid, In the actual history as it stands, despite CCP efforts, particularly in the northern part, Japanese control remained firm. And as the war came to a close by mid 1945, there was no counter attack by the Chinese to regain Japanese controlled areas. Japanese troops remained in many parts of China even as late as December 1945 because the Nationalists Chinese could not go in to even accept surrender handover.

So assuming no US involvement takes a situation where the Chinese already couldn't launch a counter attack since even 1940 and then factor out all the aid routes to the Nationalists and also factor out the oil embargo placed on Japan and the naval battles that hastened the consumption of oil reserve. Factor out the 300,000 or so army troops that was dispatched for the Southern campaign. Nationalists Chinese and communists Chinese resistance may have continued for another decade or more in the western portion of China but the Wang regime would have gained the upper hand by 1941, so then with an already the asserted hypothetical that the US and others recognize Manchukuo, they would switch their recognition of "China" to the Wang regime. US, GB, and other interests in the international settlement in Shanghai were not removed upon the its capture by the Japanese 1937 but were removed only with the launch of the Pacific campaign in December 1941. So on the assertion of the US and GB not caring to take it as far as war with Japan, those international settlements remain in Shanghai meaning that the US and GB can continue to expect their interest maintained in the new China Wang regime.

 

[REhorror]

The day of elections are coming near, it seems all the 3 LDP to-be-PMs are all hard on China.
I do hope Kishida wins though, Kano is the most dangerous of the bunch, and the japs aren't voting for a woman.

 

[MultaniGuy]

japan is an occupied country. their masters will want them to spend more to annoyed china, but not so much that japan can actually start thinking its a free country.

Japan surrendered their sovereignty for the best technology of the west. Oh well... they were the losers of WW2.

USA "obliterated" Japan.

2% cannot do shit in Japan considering all their weapon are highly overpiced piece of junk.

They need at least rise to 5% or so make a difference.

USA strongly supports Japan from the Cold War days to stop the spread of Communism.

By the way,
I don't have a problem with Chinese Communists or Socialists.

People in the Middle East see China as an alternative choice to USA in culture, and in many fields. However China needs to catch up technologically to the west.

 

[Place Of Space]

Too eager to put that as also part of American propaganda. Japan left the League of Nations because of opposition from the major powers like GB. And the US granted recognition to the SU as a response to Japan setting up the puppet state and never gave recognition as such. That put a divide between Japan and the other major powers. That division lead to a further widening of the gap as the Second Sino-Japanese war started in the middle of 1937. GB set up the Burma supply road and the US started sending lines of credit to the Nationalists Chinese in 1938. And later by 1943, the air lift of supplies over the Himalaya mountains was getting into gear. Despite all that aid, In the actual history as it stands, despite CCP efforts, particularly in the northern part, Japanese control remained firm. And as the war came to a close by mid 1945, there was no counter attack by the Chinese to regain Japanese controlled areas. Japanese troops remained in many parts of China even as late as December 1945 because the Nationalists Chinese could not go in to even accept surrender handover.

So assuming no US involvement takes a situation where the Chinese already couldn't launch a counter attack since even 1940 and then factor out all the aid routes to the Nationalists and also factor out the oil embargo placed on Japan and the naval battles that hastened the consumption of oil reserve. Factor out the 300,000 or so army troops that was dispatched for the Southern campaign. Nationalists Chinese and communists Chinese resistance may have continued for another decade or more in the western portion of China but the Wang regime would have gained the upper hand by 1941, so then with an already the asserted hypothetical that the US and others recognize Manchukuo, they would switch their recognition of "China" to the Wang regime. US, GB, and other interests in the international settlement in Shanghai were not removed upon the its capture by the Japanese 1937 but were removed only with the launch of the Pacific campaign in December 1941. So on the assertion of the US and GB not caring to take it as far as war with Japan, those international settlements remain in Shanghai meaning that the US and GB can continue to expect their interest maintained in the new China Wang regime.

That's your understanding of war. Japan was in the edge of collapse, It couldn't last longer. Japan had maximize its sources in war with China. Otherwise It wouldn't expanded battlefield into South East Asia. Japanese army were attacked anywhere in China, they hided in cities. China still have about 3/5 free territory to provide endless counter sources. Don't forget Chinese army had killed more than 410000 Japanese soldiers.
Powerful American army occupied Afghanistan for 20 years, If you are capable of lasting longer, why do you escaped unconditionally. War is comprehensive, when you research it.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

Now Asia esp. ASEAN is alarmed due to Japan genocidal past.

 

[Suika]

That's your understanding of war. Japan was in the edge of collapse, It couldn't last longer. Japan had maximize its sources in war with China. Otherwise It wouldn't expanded battlefield into South East Asia. Japanese army were attacked anywhere in China, they hided in cities. China still have about 3/5 free territory to provide endless counter sources. Don't forget Chinese army had killed more than 410000 Japanese soldiers.
Powerful American army occupied Afghanistan for 20 years, If you are capable of lasting longer, why do you escaped unconditionally. War is comprehensive, when you research it.

Endless counter resouces? No, KMT carried a massive amount of forced recruitment. People weren't signing uo volunteerly by the millions. There were of course some examples of highly dedicated battles by the nationalists such as the Battle of Hengyang. So I'm not looking to present a false picture. But a few months before that battle further up north. As the starting Operation Ichi-Go, the arriving Nationalists Chinese soldiers were attacked and killed by the Chinese locals. In that area is was about 6 years earlier that CKS ordered the flooding of the dam which killed 100,00s of Chinese people.

Also, if "endless resouces" were the case, then there wouldn't be the history about supply routes to China because it wouldn't have been necessary. And despite said "endless resources" there was still no counter offensive. The KMT wouldn't have needed to tie up with the US and GB. And the CCP wouldn't have needed the Soviet army to invade Manchuria. So you say that my post is just my understanding as if detached from reality. But reality is that your assertion is detached from reality because it simply doesn't fit into the basic facts of the war.

 

[LeGenD]

American Propaganda. American real contribution of WWII is not as big as you guys boasts every day. American saved nobody. It was just eager to take Japan and England interests in Asia.
Japan economy had collapsed due to the war in China. More than half of Japanese factories turn into weapons production. They don't creat any added values to the nation. Their food were sent to China to feed army. Their people were hungry all day. Japanese people revolution was just a thing sooner or later if America didn't stole the victory. China could defeat Japan without any an American.

American propaganda? Every theme is not American propaganda. This is misleading thought process.

China had internal political disputes which then Imperial Japan exploited to its advantage during the 2nd Sino-Japanese War. Chinese leader Wang Jingwei courted the Japanese in particular.

The Chinese offered much resistance to the Imperial Japanese (credit where due) but many Chinese lost their lives in in the process; 14 million Chinese KIA.

The Imperial Japanese were able to hold their ground and marched all the way to Burma which is incredible.

The Chinese felt so much pressure that some resorted to suicide attacks on the Imperial Japanese troops.

The Imperial Japanese felt the heat when USA began to impose heavy economic sanctions on them which led to the Pearl Harbor incident and all-out war with USA subsequently.

The 1941 De Facto Embargo on Oil to Japan: A Bureaucratic Reflex on JSTOR

Irvine H. Anderson, Jr., The 1941 De Facto Embargo on Oil to Japan: A Bureaucratic Reflex, Pacific Historical Review, Vol. 44, No. 2 (May, 1975), pp. 201-231

www.jstor.org

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1991/12/01/blood-and-oil-why-japan-attacked-pearl/1238a2e3-6055-4d73-817d-baf67d3a9db8/

How U.S. Economic Warfare Provoked Japan's Attack on Pearl Harbor | Robert Higgs

Ask a typical American how the United States got into World War II, and he will almost certainly tell you that the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and the Americans fought back. Ask him why the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, and he will probably need some time to gather his thoughts. He might...

www.independent.org

Japanese Oil Embargo (1940-1941)

Embargo that prohibited export of fuel and other war materials to Japan in the years preceding World War II. In 1937 Japan and China began the second Sino-Japanese War, a war that would ultimately last until 1945. Because the […]

what-when-how.com

The Imperial Japanese war-machine suffered a significant setback in the Battle of Midway in 1942 (its First).

This was a make-or-break battle for both camps (billigerents).

The Imperial Japanese wanted to utterly destroy USN in the Battle of Midway with the aim to shatter the will of Americans to fight but tasted defeat instead. The rest is history.

 

[Menthol]

What threat? None of these countries are interested in invading Japan. Japan is more like to interfere other countries' affairs. Like Taiwan and SCS. I can only see a more aggressive Japan. Itself is a threat to other countries.

Yup, Japan is a threat.

Because of that, Japan saw the others as threats as well.


Japan will use its military spending to invade another country in the near future.

It seems the joint military operation between Japan, Australia, USA, and the rest of NATO is going to win but eventually will bring all of them to the end at the same time.

 

[Suika]

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TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — Japan’s deputy minister for defense, Yasuhide Nakayama, made a surprise drop in via remote call to a conference on Japan-Taiwan relations held at the Chang Yung-fa Foundation in Taipei on Wednesday (Sept. 8).

The event, co-hosted by the Taiwan NextGen Foundation, the Taiwan Society of Japan Studies, and the Taiwan Foundation for Democracy, showcased a line-up of scholars, think tankers, and legislators discussing trends in bilateral relations in the wake of the recent "2+2" meeting between leaders from Taiwan's Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) and Japan's Liberal Democratic Party (LDP).

Last month’s 2+2 virtual dialogue was named as such because it was attended by Lo Chih-cheng (羅致政) and Tsai Shih-ying (蔡適應) of the DPP as well as Masahisa Sato and Taku Otsuka of Japan's LDP.

Nakayama said the fates of Japan and Taiwan are intertwined, likening their geographic closeness to the distance between the tip of the nose and the lips.

“People say we are like friends, but we are not, we are family,” he said from his Tokyo office to the audience gathered in the conference room.

US focus on East Asia

Nakayama said the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan signals Japan’s closest ally is planning to focus its resources on the Western Pacific in an effort to hold the line against Chinese aggression.

The LDP realizes the significance of this transition, he said, and so too should all peoples who live in East Asia.

Nakayama said the press freedoms in East Asian democracies make them vulnerable to new threats such as disinformation campaigns, propaganda operations, and cyberattacks. This means countries like Taiwan and Japan have to expand their cooperation to counter these new threats, he added.

Taiwan core to LDP agenda


The LDP, Japan’s ruling party, is currently holding elections in the run-up to choosing a new prime minister to take over after Yoshihide Suga stepped down last Friday (Sept. 3).

Nakayama said Taiwan is a key issue that is being discussed in deliberations among his fellow party members.

“The next leader’s approach toward the Taiwan issue will be a major factor in determining whether they’re fit for the job, no matter who they are,” he added.

Like father, like son

When Japan formalized relations with the People's Republic of China in 1972, there were five members of the Diet who stood resolutely against it until the end, Nakayama said. One of them was Masaaki Nakayama — Yasuhide’s father.

Nakayama said Japan today should reconsider whether this diplomatic arrangement with China really serves the nation's interests anymore, in light of the aggressive posture taken by China toward its neighbors.
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https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4282963

 

[Place Of Space]

Endless counter resouces? No, KMT carried a massive amount of forced recruitment. People weren't signing uo volunteerly by the millions. There were of course some examples of highly dedicated battles by the nationalists such as the Battle of Hengyang. So I'm not looking to present a false picture. But a few months before that battle further up north. As the starting Operation Ichi-Go, the arriving Nationalists Chinese soldiers were attacked and killed by the Chinese locals. In that area is was about 6 years earlier that CKS ordered the flooding of the dam which killed 100,00s of Chinese people.

Also, if "endless resouces" were the case, then there wouldn't be the history about supply routes to China because it wouldn't have been necessary. And despite said "endless resources" there was still no counter offensive. The KMT wouldn't have needed to tie up with the US and GB. And the CCP wouldn't have needed the Soviet army to invade Manchuria. So you say that my post is just my understanding as if detached from reality. But reality is that your assertion is detached from reality because it simply doesn't fit into the basic facts of the war.

Yes, endless of resources from other parts of China. Although East China was occupied, from West part Sichuan one province sent out 3 million troops to battlefield. And most of important weapon factories, universities had removed to the West. The more territory Japan occupied, the more soldiers and weapons they need to send to China. They had to continue to divide their troops to areas. In 1940-1941, Japanese were actually very weak in the occupied North China: endless guerilla battlefields had made Japanese troops highly neverous. Their cost of war got higher and higher. From very beginning I had said, Japanese couldn't last longer at all. They still Would be defeated without any an American, actually England troops had escaped to India and America didn't sent troops to China at all. Comparing to the consumption in a world war, what sent by supply routes was like a drop in ocean.
America and England needed China to trap Japanese army after the Pacific war, otherwise the Japanese army would march to South East Asia, India, Australia like flood.

 

[Place Of Space]

American propaganda? Every theme is not American propaganda. This is misleading thought process.

China had internal political disputes which then Imperial Japan exploited to its advantage during the 2nd Sino-Japanese War. Chinese leader Wang Jingwei courted the Japanese in particular.

The Chinese offered much resistance to the Imperial Japanese (credit where due) but many Chinese lost their lives in in the process; 14 million Chinese KIA.

The Imperial Japanese were able to hold their ground and marched all the way to Burma which is incredible.

The Chinese felt so much pressure that some resorted to suicide attacks on the Imperial Japanese troops.

The Imperial Japanese felt the heat when USA began to impose heavy economic sanctions on them which led to the Pearl Harbor incident and all-out war with USA subsequently.

The 1941 De Facto Embargo on Oil to Japan: A Bureaucratic Reflex on JSTOR

Irvine H. Anderson, Jr., The 1941 De Facto Embargo on Oil to Japan: A Bureaucratic Reflex, Pacific Historical Review, Vol. 44, No. 2 (May, 1975), pp. 201-231

www.jstor.org

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1991/12/01/blood-and-oil-why-japan-attacked-pearl/1238a2e3-6055-4d73-817d-baf67d3a9db8/

How U.S. Economic Warfare Provoked Japan's Attack on Pearl Harbor | Robert Higgs

Ask a typical American how the United States got into World War II, and he will almost certainly tell you that the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and the Americans fought back. Ask him why the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, and he will probably need some time to gather his thoughts. He might...

www.independent.org

Japanese Oil Embargo (1940-1941)

Embargo that prohibited export of fuel and other war materials to Japan in the years preceding World War II. In 1937 Japan and China began the second Sino-Japanese War, a war that would ultimately last until 1945. Because the […]

what-when-how.com

The Imperial Japanese war-machine suffered a significant setback in the Battle of Midway in 1942 (its First).

This was a make-or-break battle for both camps (billigerents).

The Imperial Japanese wanted to utterly destroy USN in the Battle of Midway with the aim to shatter the will of Americans to fight but tasted defeat instead. The rest is history.

Japanese used bacterial weapons in battlefields, so the Chinese troops could hardly guard their fields most times. If only bullet and bombs war, we shouldn't just killed 410000 Japanese soldiers.

 

[Suika]

Japanese used bacterial weapons in battlefields, so the Chinese troops could hardly guard their fields most times. If only bullet and bombs war, we shouldn't just killed 410000 Japanese soldiers.

China should be more appreciative of the US.

Yes, endless of resources from other parts of China. Although East China was occupied, from West part Sichuan one province sent out 3 million troops to battlefield. And most of important weapon factories, universities had removed to the West. The more territory Japan occupied, the more soldiers and weapons they need to send to China. They had to continue to divide their troops to areas. In 1940-1941, Japanese were actually very weak in the occupied North China: endless guerilla battlefields had made Japanese troops highly neverous. Their cost of war got higher and higher. From very beginning I had said, Japanese couldn't last longer at all. They still Would be defeated without any an American, actually England troops had escaped to India and America didn't sent troops to China at all. Comparing to the consumption in a world war, what sent by supply routes was like a drop in ocean.
America and England needed China to trap Japanese army after the Pacific war, otherwise the Japanese army would march to South East Asia, India, Australia like flood.

Suuuure...

 

[Place Of Space]

China should be more appreciative of the US.


Suuuure...

I would rather condemn Japanese. KMT had appreciated you guys. The following thing is that America couldn't save them, finally they escaped to Taiwan.

 

[Suika]

I would rather condemn Japanese. KMT had appreciated you guys. The following thing is that America couldn't save them, finally they escaped to Taiwan.

And you will condemn Japanese for eternity using exaggerated and twisted history as tool of revenge. Without doubt. Japan doesn't do so to US despite nukes. But Pro-CCP trolls need to condemn for eternity. Eternal claim on Taiwan too.

 

[Place Of Space]

And you will condemn Japanese for eternity using exaggerated and twisted history as tool of revenge. Without doubt. Japan doesn't do so to US despite nukes. But Pro-CCP trolls need to condemn for eternity. Eternal claim on Taiwan too.

You don't know what you talk about. Your mentalality is fully in disorder.
Why USA is till occupying Japan? Because Japan is loser of WWII.
Why China claim Taiwan? Because Japan is loser of WWII. Get it? Pro-nazi ideological stubborn nut?