Japan offers India soft loan for $15 billion bullet train in edge over China

[Skull and Bones]

There is no need for bullet train in India, we can activate our defunct airbases to be operated by budget airlines, and it will also increase our strategic depth.

 

[cyrusthevirus]

Read the article one more time dude ... this is bullet train between the Mumbai and Ahmedabad not HSR. There many wealthy traders who travel in these routes, like diamond merchants, etc...etc.., Once these cities grow financial activity will grow and the there will be more users of these trains.

You invest 100,000 crores. If you need 10% returns you need to generate 10,000 crores in revenues just on one route. If return tickets are priced at 5000 you need to sell 2 crore ticket in a year. Current air traffic in India is 7 crore tickets every year. Ahmadabad handles traffic of 50 lakhs per year & this includes traffic to all cities not just Mumbai. This project will be big white elephant. And for this analysis I am using revenues not profits.

Invest 100,000 crores in Indian Railways and average speed will increase from 55 kmph to 85 kmph.

List of busiest airports in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Srinivas]

You invest 100,000 crores. If you need 10% returns you need to generate 10,000 crores in revenues just on one route. If return tickets are priced at 5000 you need to sell 2 crore ticket in a year. Current air traffic in India is 7 crore tickets every year. Ahmadabad handles traffic of 50 lakhs per year & this includes traffic to all cities not just Mumbai. This project will be big white elephant. And for this analysis I am using revenues not profits.

Invest 100,000 crores in Indian Railways and average speed will increase from 55 kmph to 85 kmph.

List of busiest airports in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Once the economic activity picks up across the country, you need to reduce the journey time across the country to make it profitable. Also India needs many options apart from airlines. We have 1.2 Billion people. For that the transport infrastructure must be distributed in all possible means of transport. Encouraging public transport also helps in reducing the traffic, waiting in airport, cars etc...etc...

Those stats are showing the returns based on the fares, ignoring the other advantages and complete transformation that happen to India.

 

[Mamsalaphala]

You invest 100,000 crores. If you need 10% returns you need to generate 10,000 crores in revenues just on one route. If return tickets are priced at 5000 you need to sell 2 crore ticket in a year. Current air traffic in India is 7 crore tickets every year. Ahmadabad handles traffic of 50 lakhs per year & this includes traffic to all cities not just Mumbai. This project will be big white elephant. And for this analysis I am using revenues not profits.

Invest 100,000 crores in Indian Railways and average speed will increase from 55 kmph to 85 kmph.

List of busiest airports in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Its unlikely the govt. will put its own money in the project. It is supposed to be a BOT model.

Japs put the money, build the service, bill it and then when they make enough profit, transfer it to India.

 

[cyrusthevirus]

Its unlikely the govt. will put its own money in the project. It is supposed to be a BOT model.

Japs put the money, build the service, bill it and then when they make enough profit, transfer it to India.

Japs are giving loans. They wont put equity capital.

Once the economic activity picks up across the country, you need to reduce the journey time across the country to make it profitable. Also India needs many options apart from airlines. We have 1.2 Billion people. For that the transport infrastructure must be distributed in all possible means of transport. Encouraging public transport also helps in reducing the traffic, waiting in airport, cars etc...etc...

Those stats are showing the returns based on the fares, ignoring the other advantages and complete transformation that happen to India.

There are many other projects which will give better growth for investment than HSR.

 

[Mamsalaphala]

Japs are giving loans. They wont put equity capital.
There are many other projects which will give better growth for investment than HSR.

That is just an assumption. Do you have anything that will substantiate your claim ?

At most they might want some mechanism to mitigate the risk of the project, for that the project report has to be submitted and discussed.

 

[cyrusthevirus]

That is just an assumption. Do you have anything that will substantiate your claim ?

At most they might want some mechanism to mitigate the risk of the project, for that the project report has to be submitted and discussed.

Read the title of thread you will get answer.

 

[kawaraj]

If you look at the HSR in Taiwan which put a huge burden of loss to the government each year, you won't be so happy to talk about high speed trains.

The best suited project is to improve your land transportation and airline industry, with your limited government budget.

 

[Mamsalaphala]

Read the title of thread you will get answer.

I don't seek my answers in news titles, you do ?

 

[cloud_9]

Subsidised HSR ticket costs the same as Airfare.Too many loonies running the country!

 

[gslv mk3]

The best suited project is to improve your land transportation and airline industry, with your limited government budget.

Railways & Conventional rail are being improved.

The budget isn't limited.The difference is that the government don't have much share in highway development.These are now developed by private firms (BOT scheme).

 

[Ind4Ever]

10,000 km of high speed bullet trains. No wonder UK is whining every now and then. Am expecting articles from the west on how India wasting it's money on rockets satellites technologies and mod of transportation like bullet trains Metros and mono rail systems...

"Tokyo was picked to assess the feasibility of building the 505-kilometre corridor linking Mumbai with Ahmedabad," just one project is spread around 505 kms. Wow.

Reality check for many midget western Europe countries and our neighbors. Who think they upto our mark or wannabes

Jai Mata Di

Subsidised HSR ticket costs the same as Airfare.Too many loonies running the country!

More ticket charge can be compensated with more passengers traffic and in long term it will yield greater profit to our Japanese companies. Indian Transportation is a sleeping Dimond mine!!! Shopping malls rents inside stations itself yield lots of money. ... India should give more space for Japanese companies in regular railways sectors and infrastructure investments in the same.


No wonder we are proud of our friendships... Long live Indo Japanese friendship

Subsidised HSR ticket costs the same as Airfare.Too many loonies running the country!

More ticket charge can be compensated with more passengers traffic and in long term it will yield greater profit to our Japanese companies. Indian Transportation is a sleeping Dimond mine!!! Shopping malls rents inside stations itself yield lots of money. ... India should give more space for Japanese companies in regular railways sectors and infrastructure investments in the same.


No wonder we are proud of our friendships... Long live Indo Japanese friendship

 

[Echo_419]

I think India is planning many corridors in which these bullet trains are needed. We need a rail university in this regard.

A Rail university is being setup by Chinese help as we speak

 

[cloud_9]

More ticket charge can be compensated with more passengers traffic and in long term it will yield greater profit to our Japanese companies. Indian Transportation is a sleeping Dimond mine!!! Shopping malls rents inside stations itself yield lots of money. ... India should give more space for Japanese companies in regular railways sectors and infrastructure investments in the same.

That's a nice plan! I mean who doesn't want to pay some extra bucks to extend their travel time?

 

[艹艹艹]

India's railway project with Japan faces $4.5 bil. budget shortfall

KYODO NEWS | Japan

TOKYO- Japan plans to discuss how to proceed with a high-speed railway project in India employing Japan's shinkansen technology after its estimate found a budget shortfall of some 500 billion yen ($4.56 billion), a source close to the matter said Saturday.

The cost for the project connecting around 500 kilometers between Mumbai and Ahmedabad rose from the previous budget of 980 billion rupees ($14.68 billion) after India called for building a reinforced elevated bridge and using shield machines for excavations, the source said.

The shortage is the latest setback for the iconic project in Japan-India partnership after the commercial operation was pushed back by five years from originally scheduled 2023 following a site acquisition delay.

Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and his Indian counterpart Narendra Modi plan to discuss the matter at a summit.

The two leaders agreed in December 2015 on the introduction of the bullet train technology to India, which would be the country's first high-speed railway project.

Under the agreement, Japan pledged to provide loans of up to about 1.46 trillion yen for the railway construction led by Indian companies.

Japan International Consultants for Transportations Co., a subsidiary of East Japan Railway Co., has taken part in the project to help provide trains, while the parent company looks to offer maintenance and driver training services.

Abe had to postpone a three-day trip to India in December after a curfew was imposed in Guwahati in the state of Assam following the violent protests over legislation that gives citizenship to non-Muslim immigrants from Afghanistan, Bangladesh and Pakistan. The Japanese premier was slated to meet Modi there and take up the railway cost issue.