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@Peter C --- you know i didn't take my investments out, right? Let's say i gained quite a bit of money just in 2 weeks' time, LOL! I think my fellow Japanese know what to do....

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Japan Investors Use China Market Rout as a Chance to Buy


TOKYO—Some Japanese investors have used the recent market rout in China as a buying opportunity, reasoning that growth opportunities there make battered Chinese equities worth acquiring.

Japan’s Dai-ichi Life Insurance Co. bought Chinese stocks after markets peaked in mid-June by using cash made from trimming some holdings as shares surged earlier in the year, said Koya Iwabuchi, the company’s general manager of equity investment.

“The growth rate has slowed down, but [the economy] is still expanding at 6% or so. Corporate value growth will also likely be attractive,” he said.

Mr. Iwabuchi said foreign investors in mainland-listed stocks generally understand “risks unique to China, albeit to a varying degree.” Trading suspensions affected about a fifth of Dai-ichi’s China stocks at one point. Dai-ichi started investing there in 2006 as part of the Qualified Foreign Institutional Investor program.

For Japanese investors, China is a relatively small but increasingly important market. Holdings of Chinese stocks by Japanese investors increased 67% to ¥1.6 trillion ($12.9 billion) at the end of 2014 from a year earlier, according to Bank of Japan data.

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China’s aggressive response to the collapse in share prices—which included a pledge from the People’s Bank of China to provide liquidity—appeared to help stabilize the markets. The Shanghai market has recovered from its decline earlier this month and is still up 27% so far this year.

But some of the steps that were taken raised concerns among foreign investors. One foreign manager of Chinese shares said he was surprised that Beijing encouraged buybacks.

Widespread trading suspensions, ostensibly based on company requests, spooked Western investors and led them to question the integrity of the Chinese markets.

Still, a number of Asia-based investment managers say some Chinese companies had to suspend trading because they borrowed money from banks and used their shares as collateral. They also said because many of the suspended stocks were from smaller companies, listed in Shenzhen, international investors weren’t greatly affected because they typically prefer large-cap stocks.

Tan Eng Teck, senior portfolio manager at a Singapore-based unit of Japan’s Nikko Asset Management Co., said his team has been buying Chinese stocks that have long-term potential in sectors such as health care, automation and technology.

“We have taken advantage to actually go in and buy up some of the stocks that have been unduly punished,” he said.

Like many Western investors, some Japanese managers were turned off by the fact that they couldn’t freely trade their shares. Toshiyuki Murai, Hong Kong-based chief investment officer for Asia excluding Japan at Sumitomo Mitsui Asset Management Co., said the widespread suspensions created mistrust among global investors.

Still, others are more accustomed to Chinese state controls and hope Chinese retail investors take a lesson from their stock investing, much of it financed with borrowed money.

Nikko’s Mr. Tan said Chinese investors drove stocks higher earlier this year in the sectors he sees as growth areas, but they didn’t appear to pay enough attention to how expensive those stocks already were. “In a way, the Chinese were kind of rational in where they have moved, but not rational in terms of valuation,” he said.

Dai-ichi’s Mr. Iwabuchi said, “During these wild gyrations, those who were most surprised or those who sweated with fear are probably Chinese retail investors. Retail investors, who are said to make up 70% of the trading, will be more cautious going forward. I’m hoping that will probably lead to some stability in the market.”


Japan Investors Use China Market Rout as a Chance to Buy - WSJ
 
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@TaiShang @Shotgunner51 --- buddies, let's make money, money, and more money ! :)

Politics aside, i think money is what unites us all, LOL.

What politics? Money is everything bro ... LOL! Wish you all good luck with your investment!

Back to the topic, today Shanghai closed at 4,123 while this time last year was 2,126 so YOY growth is 94%.

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What politics? Money is everything bro ... LOL! Wish you all good luck with your investment!

Back to the topic, today Shanghai closed at 4,123 while this time last year was 2,126 so YOY growth is 94%.

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Bro, just this week, i literally gained $15,000 (USD) in my stocks. I have quite a lot of stocks in China Pharmaceuticals, btw. LOL!

My uncle (who lives in Guangzhou) is trying to get me to buy a condo from him (he owns a condo sales business), ionno man, what you think? Is it right time to buy property? The one he's offering me is a 2 bedroom, on the 17th floor. Nice view, but the price....LOL!
 
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Bro, just this week, i literally gained $15,000 (USD) in my stocks. I have quite a lot of stocks in China Pharmaceuticals, btw. LOL!

Congrats, winning is always good!

My uncle (who lives in Guangzhou) is trying to get me to buy a condo from him (he owns a condo sales business), ionno man, what you think? Is it right time to buy property? The one he's offering me is a 2 bedroom, on the 17th floor. Nice view, but the price....LOL!

How much is it, per sqm and lump sum?
 
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For folks interested in pharma , check this out:

China is where its at. But caution of warning; you need to put in 'a lot' to gain ' a lot'. Expect to purchase at leaset $100,000 in stocks to get good returns. You gotta spend to gain. as i always say....


Anyways, the link,

Top 10 Big Pharma investments in China - FierceBiotech

How much is it, per sqm and lump sum?


He's selling to me by 面积, anyways, its located in Panyu district. Its about give or take 450,000 RMB.

I already own a condo in Cebu City, Philippines. But right now I'm having it rent out to Japanese tourists.

If i get the one in Panyu, i'll probably rent it out.

But 450k RMB is a lot man. Seems like property was not affected at all...lol.
 
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For folks interested in pharma , check this out:
China is where its at. But caution of warning; you need to put in 'a lot' to gain ' a lot'. Expect to purchase at leaset $100,000 in stocks to get good returns. You gotta spend to gain. as i always say....
Anyways, the link,
Top 10 Big Pharma investments in China - FierceBiotech

I am always focused on TMT sector, more exciting.

Since last year I paid more attention to EP related industries e.g. clean energy, energy preservation, waste management, etc. Check the nuclear tech companies, could be bullish.

He's selling to me by 面积, anyways, its located in Panyu district. Its about give or take 450,000 RMB.
I already own a condo in Cebu City, Philippines. But right now I'm having it rent out to Japanese tourists.
If i get the one in Panyu, i'll probably rent it out.

Well the lump sum is small, might as well just take one for pleasure/investment. Owning a small condo in Panyu district of Guangzhou is nice, also RMB is still undervalued!
 
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I wish more consolidation on you @Nihonjin1051 :lol:

LOL! Awww, thanks bro @Skull and Bones

Well the lump sum is small, might as well just take one for pleasure/investment. Owning a small condo in Panyu district of Guangzhou is nice, also RMB is still undervalued!

450k is substantially more than what i bought the condo in Cebu for, but the one in Cebu is like a self-sustaining investment; i literally am making money per month on that just on rentals. Besides, Japanese tourists in Philippines prefer to rent Japanese-owned, lol. As for the one in Guangzhou, lots of Japanese visit Guangzhou right now and from my uncle is telling me , more Japanese are buying property there and renting it out, so i guess he figures i should do it while its hot. On the phone he told me, lol : 我要是你就打鐵趁熱,趕緊答應 --
 
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Wait... I thought China economy was going to collapse? Viet was going to be the new hotspot to invest? Or was it India is the new China? Tortoise overtakes hare?

Looks like when real money is at stake, Japan dumps its allies like yesterday's trash:omghaha:
 
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Politics, gepolitics aside, we all have to be practical here. The truth is the truth; there is so much potential in trade with China. Lets all take off our political lens, and put on the economic and trade lens. Okay? Yes.
 
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@Peter C --- you know i didn't take my investments out, right? Let's say i gained quite a bit of money just in 2 weeks' time, LOL! I think my fellow Japanese know what to do....

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Japan Investors Use China Market Rout as a Chance to Buy


TOKYO—Some Japanese investors have used the recent market rout in China as a buying opportunity, reasoning that growth opportunities there make battered Chinese equities worth acquiring.

Japan’s Dai-ichi Life Insurance Co. bought Chinese stocks after markets peaked in mid-June by using cash made from trimming some holdings as shares surged earlier in the year, said Koya Iwabuchi, the company’s general manager of equity investment.

“The growth rate has slowed down, but [the economy] is still expanding at 6% or so. Corporate value growth will also likely be attractive,” he said.

Mr. Iwabuchi said foreign investors in mainland-listed stocks generally understand “risks unique to China, albeit to a varying degree.” Trading suspensions affected about a fifth of Dai-ichi’s China stocks at one point. Dai-ichi started investing there in 2006 as part of the Qualified Foreign Institutional Investor program.

For Japanese investors, China is a relatively small but increasingly important market. Holdings of Chinese stocks by Japanese investors increased 67% to ¥1.6 trillion ($12.9 billion) at the end of 2014 from a year earlier, according to Bank of Japan data.

Advertisement
China’s aggressive response to the collapse in share prices—which included a pledge from the People’s Bank of China to provide liquidity—appeared to help stabilize the markets. The Shanghai market has recovered from its decline earlier this month and is still up 27% so far this year.

But some of the steps that were taken raised concerns among foreign investors. One foreign manager of Chinese shares said he was surprised that Beijing encouraged buybacks.

Widespread trading suspensions, ostensibly based on company requests, spooked Western investors and led them to question the integrity of the Chinese markets.

Still, a number of Asia-based investment managers say some Chinese companies had to suspend trading because they borrowed money from banks and used their shares as collateral. They also said because many of the suspended stocks were from smaller companies, listed in Shenzhen, international investors weren’t greatly affected because they typically prefer large-cap stocks.

Tan Eng Teck, senior portfolio manager at a Singapore-based unit of Japan’s Nikko Asset Management Co., said his team has been buying Chinese stocks that have long-term potential in sectors such as health care, automation and technology.

“We have taken advantage to actually go in and buy up some of the stocks that have been unduly punished,” he said.

Like many Western investors, some Japanese managers were turned off by the fact that they couldn’t freely trade their shares. Toshiyuki Murai, Hong Kong-based chief investment officer for Asia excluding Japan at Sumitomo Mitsui Asset Management Co., said the widespread suspensions created mistrust among global investors.

Still, others are more accustomed to Chinese state controls and hope Chinese retail investors take a lesson from their stock investing, much of it financed with borrowed money.

Nikko’s Mr. Tan said Chinese investors drove stocks higher earlier this year in the sectors he sees as growth areas, but they didn’t appear to pay enough attention to how expensive those stocks already were. “In a way, the Chinese were kind of rational in where they have moved, but not rational in terms of valuation,” he said.

Dai-ichi’s Mr. Iwabuchi said, “During these wild gyrations, those who were most surprised or those who sweated with fear are probably Chinese retail investors. Retail investors, who are said to make up 70% of the trading, will be more cautious going forward. I’m hoping that will probably lead to some stability in the market.”


Japan Investors Use China Market Rout as a Chance to Buy - WSJ

Looks at Shanghai market. 1700 stocks had trading stopped
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I know about 18% of stocks were still suspended on Friday...did they open up today???
 
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Market is driven by fear and greed. When others are fearful, you should be greedy. Everyone is scared to invest in Chinese stocks, so the logic is you should buy. But you need quite the iron stomach for that.
 
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Market is driven by fear and greed. When others are fearful, you should be greedy. Everyone is scared to invest in Chinese stocks, so the logic is you should buy. But you need quite the iron stomach for that.

Indeed. Like I said, when it comes to stocks, you need to put up to gain. Stock trading is not for the faint of heart.
 
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